Super Bowl LVII - Chiefs vs Eagles in Glendale

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Can we talk a little more about Hurts “Hail Mary”? That was the single worst Hail Mary pass I’ve ever seen. It wasn’t even remotely close. I thought he had a big arm.
I frame-by-framed it like the Zapruder film because I figured there must have been an external force. Sure enough it appears his front foot lands on his offensive lineman's foot when winding up to throw. That may explain it.
 

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Who else thinks Mahomes was acting up the ankle injury stuff so he can watch himself in slow motion in the NFL Films doc about how tough and strong he is. His brother must be creaming himself right now with the TikToks.
I think he was legit hurt right before half... who knows what they shot him up with at halftime though
 

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I don’t get the conspiracy though. KC is still in field goal range. More time left opens the real possibility of OT, which is more commercial $$$. Philly is the bigger city, no? And Hurts should be just as marketable, if not more so - he’s better looking and has a normal voice. If this wasn’t just incompetence, the NFL seemed to have weighted the wrong outcome.
Narratives sell, and dynasties feed both sides.
 

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I think he was legit hurt right before half... who knows what they shot him up with at halftime though
Undoubtedly the good stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if he gets surgery in the off-season. He's tough but also a bit lucky he was able to play through the injury. At some point no amount of will power matters.
 

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Man I watched the play again a couple times and I very slightly feel for that ref.

The call is objectively wrong, but watching the play it feels like it was holding. The receiver comes out of the wheel route slower than you expect and the defender has his arm down in the exact position where there would be a hold.

Only, he doesn’t hold him, the receiver just doesn’t turn up field quick and there was nothing actually there.

But it feels like it was in real time.
 

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I hope they litigate the "QB sneak scrum with three guys pushing him" out of existence in the off-season. Game wouldn't have been half as close if Philly didn't have that as their 2nd best call in the playbook.
Yeah, the most exciting thing about that play is there might be a false start. I don’t see how they get rid of it though, because right now it is so heavily associated with one team. I think they need an everyone is doing it year next year, then they can get rid of it.
 

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Not me. The guy is great.
Yes. This.

High ankle sprains are no joke and it wouldn't take much to aggravate it. That was a hell of a second half that Mahomes had.

Credit to Hurts too. We know he was compromised as well, and aside from that big fumble, also played a hell of a game.
 

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Man I watched the play again a couple times and I very slightly feel for that ref.

The call is objectively wrong, but watching the play it feels like it was holding. The receiver comes out of the wheel route slower than you expect and the defender has his arm down in the exact position where there would be a hold.

Only, he doesn’t hold him, the receiver just doesn’t turn up field quick and there was nothing actually there.

But it feels like it was in real time.
In real time the ref also doesn’t know if not calling it will be a no call that decides the game. What if there was a pick because of a hold? Not likely there, but they are calling things fast. Nor does he know the ball is going way over that receiver’s head.

Still, it seemed so out of place for the game and minimal, you have to be very sure. I guess he would probably tell you he was sure and he would make the same call agin if he could.
 

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I didn’t take a leave of absence after my kid died either. People grieve in different ways.
I'm very, very, very sorry about your loss and in no way would I ever try to make light of losing a child. And I totally get how people grieve differently. I had no idea how to grieve for loss of my lifelong best friend until I found this. Grief is weird and fucked up and odd and so hard to figure out. Everyone deals with it differently. I get it, believe me.

But I will say this much, and I hope you don't take this badly or in a bad way because I don't mean it that way: I don't know what you do for a living, but you are not an NFL head coach. NFL head coaches work so much that they have insane rate of turnover and burnout. They work a hundred+ hours a week during the season, and sleep in the facility often. They're insane maniacs who basically mostly ignore their families because of the billion dollar franchises who lean on them to do their jobs that pay them millions of dollars (capitalism is a nightmare!). If my kid died I don't know what the fuck I would do, I'd probably be suicidal. I'm not Andy Reid. So maybe his coping mechanism was to go deeper into his work. I get it, but then his other kid decided to drive drunk and maim a 5 year old. And then he didn't think it was a good time to step back and help his adult child for a second time.
 

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Man, there’s sports hate and there’s message board speculating, but let’s not get into judging parenting like that. Hopefully, none of us are ever in situations like Reid has been. Or Remy. Or whoever.
 

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The only guy on the Chiefs I don’t like is Kelce, and that’s because he’s such a poseur. The rest of them seem fine.
 

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We’ll said.

I don’t think their chance to win was that slim either. 1:50 left and one timeout is plenty to get into field goal range and with a few chunk plays a winning TD is absolutely on the table too.
You're right, which is one reason why KC was throwing the ball on that play.
 

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I'm very, very, very sorry about your loss and in no way would I ever try to make light of losing a child. And I totally get how people grieve differently. I had no idea how to grieve for loss of my lifelong best friend until I found this. Grief is weird and fucked up and odd and so hard to figure out. Everyone deals with it differently. I get it, believe me.

But I will say this much, and I hope you don't take this badly or in a bad way because I don't mean it that way: I don't know what you do for a living, but you are not an NFL head coach. NFL head coaches work so much that they have insane rate of turnover and burnout. They work a hundred+ hours a week during the season, and sleep in the facility often. They're insane maniacs who basically mostly ignore their families because of the billion dollar franchises who lean on them to do their jobs that pay them millions of dollars (capitalism is a nightmare!). If my kid died I don't know what the fuck I would do, I'd probably be suicidal. I'm not Andy Reid. So maybe his coping mechanism was to go deeper into his work. I get it, but then his other kid decided to drive drunk and maim a 5 year old. And then he didn't think it was a good time to step back and help his adult child for a second time.
You should have stopped at your first paragraph and moved on. You have no idea what you are talking about.
 

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I mean, just what happened to the Philly DL? That was the most shocking part of all of this.
 

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No question Mahomes is a great QB, but he ran into the locker room at the half with no limp at all then came back in the second half with full mobility. It wasn’t Paul Pierce in a wheel chair but it looked like he was not hurt and was building a narrative. Fox had no problem running with it, either. There were even bloody sock references.

The NFL is in the entertainment industry and some of the players embrace it more than others.
 

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We had two decades of people hating on the Brady, Gronk and the rest of the Patriots for two decades for largely the same reasons. Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL and I would eat log of my own shit to have him playing for the Pats.
 

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I hope they litigate the "QB sneak scrum with three guys pushing him" out of existence in the off-season. Game wouldn't have been half as close if Philly didn't have that as their 2nd best call in the playbook.
The pile pushing has in general gotten out of control, same with college ball.
 

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I mean, just what happened to the Philly DL? That was the most shocking part of all of this.
KC OL is quite good, but I am seriously wondering if the crap field just gave the advantage on the line to both OLs even further. There was only one sack and it was a technicality one, a Hurts run loss for a yard on the sideline
 

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No question Mahomes is a great QB, but he ran into the locker room at the half with no limp at all then came back in the second half with full mobility. It wasn’t Paul Pierce in a wheel chair but it looked like he was not hurt and was building a narrative. Fox had no problem running with it, either. There were even bloody sock references.

The NFL is in the entertainment industry and some of the players embrace it more than others.
How was he building the narrative though? Blame fox, I’m with you.

But I don’t think Mahomes did anything for show that he wasn’t feeling.
 

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No question Mahomes is a great QB, but he ran into the locker room at the half with no limp at all then came back in the second half with full mobility. It wasn’t Paul Pierce in a wheel chair but it looked like he was not hurt and was building a narrative. Fox had no problem running with it, either. There were even bloody sock references.

The NFL is in the entertainment industry and some of the players embrace it more than others.
Oh come the F on.
 

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We had two decades of people hating on the Brady, Gronk and the rest of the Patriots for two decades for largely the same reasons. Mahomes is the best quarterback in the NFL and I would eat log of my own shit to have him playing for the Pats.
Rooting against teams generates as much interest as rooting for them. Brady and BB played the heel from 2007 onwards. I'm sure many will see KC and Mahones in that light after this BS. In any case the NFL eyeball machine keeps rolling.
 

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Also - State Farm stadium gets complaints all season about the field, resods it during the super Bowl bye week, and it's still crappy? What's the underlying issue going on here?