There’s another famous alumnus from that school too. He was drafted by the expos before going off to college to play football, I think!Went to Barry Bonds’ high school, for what’s that worth....
There’s another famous alumnus from that school too. He was drafted by the expos before going off to college to play football, I think!Went to Barry Bonds’ high school, for what’s that worth....
If Marcus blossoms, it seems like the likely result would be to say goodbye to JBJWent to Barry Bonds’ high school, for what’s that worth. I guess no Boston team should be without two Marci.
If Marcus (or another young outfielder) blossoms, with Pedey seemingly not long for this league, would we ever entertain the thought of returning Mookie to 2B?
Different high schools. Wilson went to one of the same name, but its in LA.There’s another famous alumnus from that school too. He was drafted by the expos before going off to college to play football, I think!
No. You don't move one of the best outfielders in baseball out of the outfield.Went to Barry Bonds’ high school, for what’s that worth. I guess no Boston team should be without two Marci.
If Marcus (or another young outfielder) blossoms, with Pedey seemingly not long for this league, would we ever entertain the thought of returning Mookie to 2B?
I think it's more likely that Mookie is gone than he stays and plays second baseI think it is more likely we just let JBJ walk after next season
Besides, where would Gio Gonzalez playI think it's more likely that Mookie is gone than he stays and plays second base
Is this actually a thing? Is the OF better for a players longevity than 2b by a meaningful amount?I think looking at Pedroia right now is a good reason not to move Mookie back to second base. Of course, that’s presuming he is extended or resigned.
I have no idea if there is research on this, but my gut instinct is to say no.Is this actually a thing? Is the OF better for a players longevity than 2b by a meaningful amount?
I was confused by this too, he is a 2020 guy at the earliest.I am afraid to start a poll but it seems like more than half the folks in this thread think this acquisition is going to spend significant time in the outfield of the Boston Red Sox.
To this I say, huh?
I was hoping that Mark would be the return. Rooting for him in the Sox system would be awesome but given who his dad roots for would make it even better.My nephew has been playing with Marcus Wilson the past couple years in Visalia. Likes him personally, says he's lazy with talent. We are happy that Wilson got traded because it opens up a spot at Jackson for him to move up to. Nephew went deep tonight and 3 for 4 tonight so far, so yeah, great trade for a lot of people.
Yeah but OF's have to deal with Adrian Beltre. I'm sure it all evens out. Catcher is the only position I'd think the wear and tear is significantly worse.Yes, it's absolutely a thing, although less so with the new rules.
It seems to me turning a double play with the runner to your back is one of the most hazardous things a baseball player has to do, even with the new rules in place. You're right though, I shouldn't have tried contributing to the conversation without data to back it up.Is this actually a thing? Is the OF better for a players longevity than 2b by a meaningful amount?
I think you're probably right, but the traditional reasoning was that second basemen generally turn double plays with their back to the runner, which leaves them more vulnerable than other infielders to contact plays that they can't see coming. (This is in fact what happened to Pedroia.)Yeah but OF's have to deal with Adrian Beltre. I'm sure it all evens out. Catcher is the only position I'd think the wear and tear is significantly worse.
Well, not any more.Yeah but OF's have to deal with Adrian Beltre. I'm sure it all evens out. Catcher is the only position I'd think the wear and tear is significantly worse.
That article is 11-years old and only includes Hall of Fame players, not all players.It seems to me turning a double play with the runner to your back is one of the most hazardous things a baseball player has to do, even with the new rules in place. You're right though, I shouldn't have tried contributing to the conversation without data to back it up.
Surprised to see outfielders so close behind second basemen here:
http://wezen-ball.com/2008-articles/career-length-of-players-by-position-played.html
I think it has more to do with the number of diving plays a second baseman makes. They have time to dive, get up, and throw the runner out on the right side of the infield that you just don't have at short or third. Hitting the ground more often than other positions takes its toll on the back and knees.I think you're probably right, but the traditional reasoning was that second basemen generally turn double plays with their back to the runner, which leaves them more vulnerable than other infielders to contact plays that they can't see coming. (This is in fact what happened to Pedroia.)
The list is all MLB players that meet the games played criteria and not just Hall of Famers.That article is 11-years old and only includes Hall of Fame players, not all players.
At least Wilson is doing that in the minors. We could be losing this pillow fight otherwise.Blake is 1 / 10 so far as a D-Back with two starts in the RF versus righties, batting 6th in the order.
Marcus Wilson is 1 / 11 with 5K.
The classic trade where both teams win.
Any team that is not using him as a catcher is not going to get any value. It’s ridiculous, offensive ceiling might be a 725 OPS and average defense which would make a great catcher.He may also average out to be a above average second baseman, but at any other position he will be a failure. This seems obvious to meBlake is 1 / 10 so far as a D-Back with two starts in the RF versus righties, batting 6th in the order.
Marcus Wilson is 1 / 11 with 5K.
The classic trade where both teams win.
He's clearly not an average catcher or he'd have had far more trade value than Marcus Wilson. There are 0 teams that want to play him at catcher.Any team that is not using him as a catcher is not going to get any value. It’s ridiculous, offensive ceiling might be a 725 OPS and average defense which would make a great catcher.He may also average out to be a above average second baseman, but at any other position he will be a failure. This seems obvious to me
Completely agree with this. His career OPS is .671 with his best single season in 2015 at .712 fueled by a .359 BABIP. Seems like a classic case of someone who just never evolved, adapted, or developed.Any team that is not using him as a catcher is not going to get any value. It’s ridiculous, offensive ceiling might be a 725 OPS and average defense which would make a great catcher.He may also average out to be a above average second baseman, but at any other position he will be a failure. This seems obvious to me
I don't think it was mentioned upthread, but Wilson is in his 6th minor league season. Even if he does successfully transition to AA (and there might be too much K% for that), he would need to be added to the 40-man this offseason. He was already eligible this offseason and (obviously) went unselected in the Rule 5 draft.At least Wilson is doing that in the minors. We could be losing this pillow fight otherwise.
Clearly causilation.Sox have lost two games with Sandy behind the dish since 4/16 and have gone 15-7 since that time, having started at 6-12. Their team ERA has gone from 6.20 to 3.41.
Notwithstanding the collective bellyaching in this thread, the move seems to have helped the rotation stabilize mightily.
I probably should’ve caveated with “SSS” and “I don’t poke around much on Bref but decided to after a long weekend with the flu.”Clearly causilation.
I probably should’ve caveated with “SSS” and “I don’t poke around much on Bref but decided to after a long weekend with the flu.”
All that said, it’s interesting to speculate on the effect he may be having on Sale.
Without Sandy:
3/18 3IP 7ER 4K
4/2 6IP 1ER 1K
4/9 4IP 5ER 3K
4/23 5IP 2ER 10 K
9 K/9
With Sandy:
4/16 5IP 4ER 6K (the day he was called up)
4/28 7IP 2ER 8K
5/3 6IP 0ER 10K
5/8 8IP 1ER 14K
13.1 K/9
Now maybe Sale was just pitching his way back after a slow start, no spring training, etc. And he did have one dominant game with Vaz catching.
But it sure seems like Sale started to figure something out right around the time Leon came back up. He’s getting more strikeouts and he’s going deeper into games.
Yeah, to buy into the Leon influence, you have believe that Sale was just going to be terrible all year ... and not revert to something approximating his true form.
We can see anything we want to in numbers. A true test would be if Leon got injured at this point. What would Sale's numbers be after that, in comparison to his getting back to "normal"?
I see Sandy Leon being a Sale whisperer. And both of them wearing wings and hanging off of a headless mannequin for some reason.
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Looked like he was jogging most of the way, though. Gotta be one of the slowest inside-the-parkers on record.Inside the parker. Nice cut.
He's their fifth outfielder / pinch hitter essentially. He'll never be a starting corner outfielder in the MLB, but he has a chance to carve out a role as a fourth/fifth outfielder type for sure. 35% K rate at the moment. He needs to figure that out quickly or he may not be long for the MLB.That bat really has to improve to be a corner outfielder.
He was maybe 2 feet shy of an outside the parker but this is coolerInside the parker. Nice cut.
https://bdata-producedclips.mlb.com/d35e8d27-edf0-430a-9b59-426e482bce19.mp4