Tatis Jr. suspended 80 games for PEDs

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23 years old, two straight top 4 MVP seasons, but...never a HOFer. Don't think we've had anything like that before.
 

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So, do we think he tried something to speed his injury recovery or has he been doping all along but only now has been caught?
 

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23 years old, two straight top 4 MVP seasons, but...never a HOFer. Don't think we've had anything like that before.
We’ve had someone with 3 MVP’s and 3 other top 3 finishers who’s not getting in
 

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Somehow I don’t feel all that surprised. Regardless of the real answer - the answer is “all along”
 

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Well, lucky for the Padres, they still have CJ Abrams hanging around *puts finger to earpiece* Whoops, nevermind!
 

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The rest of this season and the first 42 next year. Wow! The face of the franchise. How does he do this?
 

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It's always "doping all along". As does every other player.
Well.... at some point they all START doping, and it doesn't logically follow that they all started several years into the majors. It's entirely possible a guy has enough talent to make the majors and do fairly well, but then decides to take them and up his game.

For example...I don't think that Barry Bonds was doping back in 1987 when he hit .261 with 25 homers in a season where homers went crazy. Or in 1989 when he hit .248 with 19 homers in 580 at-bats. I think it's totally reasonable to think Bonds was clean, got to a certain level in the majors, and THEN started doping.
 

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For those who think he's been doing this for some time, how has he not been caught before now? Bad luck in terms of the timing of testing? A screw-up with his masking agent schedule? I just don't understand how guys with this much to lose wind up getting banged for PEDs.
 

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So since signing his record-breaking 14-year contract, he's had:
  • Repeated left shoulder subluxations, which he refuses to get surgery to fix and limits him to the outfield.
  • Multiple motorcycle accidents in the same offseason, one of which resulted in a broken wrist that caused him to miss 4 months of baseball.
  • an 80-game PED suspension.
13 years and 335 million left.
 

Cesar Crespo

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It's entirely possible a guy has enough talent to make the majors and do fairly well.
This could be true even if he was using PEDs the entire time. It could have easily fast tracked him to the major leagues because he developed the power earlier than he normally would have.
 

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For those who think he's been doing this for some time, how has he not been caught before now? Bad luck in terms of the timing of testing? A screw-up with his masking agent schedule? I just don't understand how guys with this much to lose wind up getting banged for PEDs.
The designer drugs are further along than the testing. This has always been the case. Some guys get stupid and get caught.

And what do they ever lose? Fan cred?
 

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So since signing his record-breaking 14-year contract, he's had:
  • Repeated left shoulder subluxations, which he refuses to get surgery to fix and limits him to the outfield.
  • Multiple motorcycle accidents in the same offseason, one of which resulted in a broken wrist that caused him to miss 4 months of baseball.
  • an 80-game PED suspension.
13 years and 335 million left.
Yikes. Next thing you’ll tell me, giving 23 year olds half a billion dollars guaranteed can lead to unintended risks!
 

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Well.... at some point they all START doping, and it doesn't logically follow that they all started several years into the majors. It's entirely possible a guy has enough talent to make the majors and do fairly well, but then decides to take them and up his game.

For example...I don't think that Barry Bonds was doping back in 1987 when he hit .261 with 25 homers in a season where homers went crazy. Or in 1989 when he hit .248 with 19 homers in 580 at-bats. I think it's totally reasonable to think Bonds was clean, got to a certain level in the majors, and THEN started doping.
1987. Lol man. OF COURSE Bonds wasn't doping in 1987. It's clear he started the year after the home run battle with Sosa and Mark M. I thought that was public record. Not a lot of players were doping in the 80s. A handful, at most.

But the science has changed, as have the paychecks. Doping is required now. And it is seemingly pretty easy to not get caught.
 

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1987. Lol man. OF COURSE Bonds wasn't doping in 1987. It's clear he started the year after the home run battle with Sosa and Mark M. I thought that was public record. Not a lot of players were doping in the 80s. A handful, at most.

But the science has changed, as have the paychecks. Doping is required now. And it is seemingly pretty easy to not get caught.
Isn't the belief it started in the late 80s/early 90s with Canseco and McGwire? I always assumed Bonds started around 1999 to get back from injury.
 

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Isn't the belief it started in the late 80s/early 90s with Canseco and McGwire? I always assumed Bonds started around 1999 to get back from injury.
Nope, Bonds was pissed Sosa and Mark M got all the press for the home run chase and Bonds was like, "Those dudes suck compared to me. They are just on the shit." And then Bonds went on the shit and became the greatest player in the last 100 years.

But, yes, I do think Canseco was in the vanguard of juicing. He probably brought Magwire(sic) in.
 

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This could be true even if he was using PEDs the entire time. It could have easily fast tracked him to the major leagues because he developed the power earlier than he normally would have.
I agree it could have, and he also could have been using PEDs the entire time. But it doesn't follow that everyone has "always" been doing PEDs. At some point they START using.
 

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The rest of this season and the first 42 next year. Wow! The face of the franchise. How does he do this?
I thought he was on the injured list. Had he returned from his injury yet? If he is still on the injured list I don't think his suspension can start until he is activated. If he is still injured, I don't think the Padres can simply activate him to begin his suspension.
 

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A twitter response to Tatis claiming he has ringworm: “death, taxes, and busted players claiming it was inadvertent”
 

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What a mess of a season for Tatis.... wow.

Just go ahead and get shoulder surgery at this point
 

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As far as I can tell, only two other players have ever been suspended for clostebol. Dee Gordon in 2015 and Freddy Galvis in 2012.

Coincidently, after Galvis had a few solid years as the starting shortstop in Philly, he was traded in 2018 to... none other than the San Diego Padres, who released him in 2019 to give Tatís a shot at the majors.
 

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One area I wish owners would collude on is making it mandatory that contracts are cancellable for steroid cases, domestic violence, and <insert other felonies>. Don't ever agree to another contract that guarantees regardless of what players do.

and Tatis is 100% a success story for steroids. So what he got caught? look at that contract. Arod & Cano same thing. No regrets once the ink hits the paper. You're good. Only fans and teams suffer.
 

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One area I wish owners would collude on is making it mandatory that contracts are cancellable for steroid cases, domestic violence, and <insert other felonies>. Don't ever agree to another contract that guarantees under no matter what players do.
There's no way the Union would agree to anything like that. But maybe this will discourage teams more from giving mega long deals.
 

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There's no way the Union would agree to anything like that. But maybe this will discourage teams more from giving mega long deals.
The union doesn't have to agree to anything. Contracts are custom for every player. The players either sign a contract or they don't. Sure, they could strike and refuse. But the fact that these contracts are invincible blows my mind.
 

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The union doesn't have to agree to anything. Contracts are custom for every player. The players either sign a contract or they don't. Sure, they could strike and refuse. But the fact that these contracts are invincible blows my mind.
The owners have already shown that they will try to weasel out of contracts if allowed. See Bauer. There's probably riders that a team could put in, but what they could put in I would have to think is collectively bargained.
 

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Hector Gomez (usually reliable on DR players) is floating through another source that he was trying to hide the motorcycle accident injury with a topical that had this steroid in it, and tested positive in late March. MLB keeps everything quiet even from teams until appeal is dropped or processed, theoretically.

If this is true, the entire debacle all stemmed from the motorcycle accident.

View: https://twitter.com/hgomez27/status/1558298590958817280
 

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So now on top of everything he’s lying. I’m sure the Padres GM will be real happy to hear about this after what he just said a few hours ago.
 

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The calculus of the Soto trade probably changes if the Padres knew about this. Just a disaster all the way around.
 

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