TB12 as an Analyst
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Saw this in The Athletic regarding his Raiders minority ownership bid, thought it was worthwhile background when discussing this topic:
The NFL has already placed restrictions on Brady in his role as a Fox analyst, which Brady agreed to before the start of this season, according to a league source.
He’s not allowed access to other teams’ facilities and practices, nor can he attend broadcast production meetings, which usually include meetings with coaches and players ahead of games.
He’s also not allowed to publicly criticize officials or other teams and could be fined or suspended if the league feels he breaks that policy.
He also must abide by the league’s gambling and anti-tampering policies and is limited to “strictly social communication” with members of other teams.
The NFL has already placed restrictions on Brady in his role as a Fox analyst, which Brady agreed to before the start of this season, according to a league source.
He’s not allowed access to other teams’ facilities and practices, nor can he attend broadcast production meetings, which usually include meetings with coaches and players ahead of games.
He’s also not allowed to publicly criticize officials or other teams and could be fined or suspended if the league feels he breaks that policy.
He also must abide by the league’s gambling and anti-tampering policies and is limited to “strictly social communication” with members of other teams.
HA I was going to say that it seems like with those restrictions he'll never actually get to be good at this as he's so limited in prep and and in what he can and can't talk about.
Tom Brady is expected to be approved as a minority owner of the Las Vegas Raidersat Tuesday's NFL fall owners' meeting in Atlanta, league sources told ESPN.
The NFL's finance committee has reviewed Brady's bid and plans to bring it to the other owners to vote, with 24 of the league's 32 owners needed to approve it.
The NFL's finance committee has reviewed Brady's bid and plans to bring it to the other owners to vote, with 24 of the league's 32 owners needed to approve it.
According to the NFL, he doesn't.
(The NFL really really wants him as a broadcaster obviously....)
Imagine he'll still be great at diagnosing what's happening on the field, but might not be able to give it as much context as the analysts who sit in on the meetings, etc.
He won't be able to dazzle like Romo by seeing a play happen at practice and then "predicting" the play on game day.
He's already made some good predictions, though, based upon the game. And they have been solid.
Yeah I'm more making fun of Romo being deemed some sort of play predicting savant. TB has been solid and informative.
Hey, Romo came hard in his first couple of seasons. He was a savant. Then a few years passed and he just turned into a Oooher.
Who knows for sure but I'm pretty sure he was just seeing plays in practice and calling them out when he recognized them in the games and he probably got a talking to by the NFL powers that be so he's knocked it off since.
Why would the NFL care if he was predicting play? It's not like it's actionable.
Romo had just finished a long career in the NFL, he was balls deep in football. So he was predicting plays based upon his career. experience. I don't think it was him calling out practice formations. But I will confess I'm not sure.
Why do coaches mask their play calls by covering their mouths? Why is Tom Brady not allowed in practices as a owner/announcer? Why did the Patriots gets a series of unprecedented fines and suspensions for legally filming from the incorrect place?
The NFL is irrationally paranoid as shown time and again and it makes more sense that coaches/teams chaffed at the idea that this guy was calling out plays from their super secret practices than he him either not being able to do it any longer or caring not to do it. Just my theory at least.
Because the NFL is stupid about a lot of things.
But if Romo is guessing plays that are about to happen, that play is forever on tape. What "secret" is he giving away?
But if Romo is guessing plays that are about to happen, that play is forever on tape. What "secret" is he giving away?
Top FOX crew gets a crazy disproportionate amount of Cowboys games, that’s why Buck and Aikman seemed like they were honorary Dallas announcers for years.
He's done 4 of 6 games for the Cowboys. The 2 Cowboy games he hasn't done were prime time games.
So he's really 4 for 4 on Dallas.
Well, IMO, he wasn't guessing. He was using information gleaned from access at practice. So my thought would be the "cover your mouth when calling the play" crowd would be concerned about real time relaying of the play. Which makes sense since we're talking about a subset of people who think a camera + a lip reader can/would decipher plays in real time and alert the defense in order to gain a competitive advantage.
I mean, why did he stop? People loved it. It gets referenced to this day as a reason why people like or began to like Romo, so why did he stop?
I am the biggest TB12 fanboy alive, but I dunno on the announcing thing. Seems like he’s still trying too hard, and not adding a lot to the broadcast. I know it’s only been a few games. What do I know, though.
I thought he was great today. Very laudatory of the Lions’ combination of power and creativity on offense making it difficult to stop. He had multiple interesting observations for both teams. I also thought he was hilarious when the Lions threw a trick pass to Penei Sewell and Brady deadpanned that he didn’t care for Sewell’s ball security on the play. 
He should really hold a clipboard for a season and let Drew Bledsoe do the heavy announcer lifting until he’s ready for prime time, IMHO.
I am afraid if he takes too many beatings from the fans that it will hold back his development.
If some of those stipulations are true it seems kind of wild that Brady would still be allowed to call games.
edit: nevermind, the ESPN article covers the stipulations and his restrictions. Still feels weird.
edit: nevermind, the ESPN article covers the stipulations and his restrictions. Still feels weird.
Yeah, may be kosher but still a weird situation to have someone as an owner and commentator. Feel like it will limit him a bit in the booth.
He’s basically going to white wash shit shows like we saw last night. Perfect deal for NFL.
Can’t criticize another team? What about players on another team? What if he was doing last year’s Pats-Raiders game when Meyers made that unfathomably bad decision and threw it to Chandler Jones? PBP guy let’s Brady have the mike and Brady says…what, exactly? “Hell of an effort by Jakobi right there”??
Gets the best of both worlds. Lucrative announcing deal and capital appreciation of his 5% investment. It’s good to be the king.
Pretty good article on the subject:
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/10/16/24271805/tom-brady-part-owner-las-vegas-raiders-broadaster-restrictions-keep-him-from-being-great
If he keeps doing both and the rules stay as is, I don't see how he doesn't end up being an incredibly milquetoast announcer, getting more and more out of touch as his playing days get further in the rear-view mirror. What a waste.
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/10/16/24271805/tom-brady-part-owner-las-vegas-raiders-broadaster-restrictions-keep-him-from-being-great
If he keeps doing both and the rules stay as is, I don't see how he doesn't end up being an incredibly milquetoast announcer, getting more and more out of touch as his playing days get further in the rear-view mirror. What a waste.
Did you think he was in it for the long haul on the announcing thing anyways? I always sort of thought a year or two. This development likely confirms it. He could have become very good at it, but it's not really his medium no matter what. I think even with access to all information he's not a guy who would criticize freely, which that job kind of demands in order to be great.
Sad on three counts: 1) that it's the Raiders, not here
2) that it means the comeback dream is officially dead (probably for the best, but still weird to see such a final stamp on it)
3) that it severely limits how good of an announcer he can be
I'm sure it's a smart financial move, but as a fan of the guy it certainly feels like we're losing out a bit.
2) that it means the comeback dream is officially dead (probably for the best, but still weird to see such a final stamp on it)
3) that it severely limits how good of an announcer he can be
I'm sure it's a smart financial move, but as a fan of the guy it certainly feels like we're losing out a bit.
I would assume it is because teams didn't want Romo doing it and actively told CBS that Romo needed to stop. Because everyone falls over themselves to satisfy this league, they did. And now, having taken the only homework Romo ever did away from him, we're left with, "Ehhhhhhhhhhh, I dunno, Jim ..." and pretty much nothing else. Which kind of flies in the face of what the Ringer says here:
Notwithstanding the fact that Brady can't do any of that and Romo can, Romo continues to be a lazy half-ass with no work ethic and a shuck and jive routine while Brady is improving week-to-week with much, much less.
Also, they are promoting Brady pretty hard. I wouldn't necessarily bet on him ditching this after a few years, especially if he figures it out without the restrictions.
Do we not think he just collects notes from the production meetings and practices from Burkhart?
I don’t understand the appeal of owning a minority stake in a pro sports team. You don’t get the status that comes with being a principal owner. You don’t get the tax benefits that new ownership gets the first few years after buying a team. In Brady’s case, he doesn’t even get to sit in the owner’s box and hobnob with billionaires, because he’s somewhere else calling some other team’s game. And while a minority stake in a team might be a good diversification play for a billionaire, I suspect Brady’s Raiders’ stake represents a sizable fraction of his net worth, and probably isn’t the best place to make that kind of investment.
It’s obviously good for existing owners to have a ready market for minority stakes. Brady buying in will only help with that market, so I’m not surprised that the league looked past any conflicts and approved Brady’s investment. I’m just not seeing the appeal from his perspective.
It’s obviously good for existing owners to have a ready market for minority stakes. Brady buying in will only help with that market, so I’m not surprised that the league looked past any conflicts and approved Brady’s investment. I’m just not seeing the appeal from his perspective.
Not the best place? All the NFL does is make money. I can't think of a better investment. Especially in something he's obviously passionate about.
Also I'm seeing a number of places, including the street reporting that their minority stake is based on a $3.5B valuation? That's insanely low, most valuations have the Raiders as likely to fetch over $6B if put up for sale, (Commanders sold for $6B and the Raiders are likely more attractive).
How much do we think Brady is actually putting up? It's reported as 5% Brady and 5% Wagner but I have to imagine Wagner is giving some extra $ to Brady on the side to get in at this bargain valuation, no?
Seems like there must be some behind closed doors stuff going on, as I doubt Davis would be in a rush to give a random person 10% at that price. Obviously he thinks there is some added value in having Brady on board.
Richard Seymour is also getting 0.5%.
Allegedly Davis offerred Brady 10% at a major discount originally and the other owners said "no chance" so he went with a much closer valuation, I'd guess maybe Wagner is quietly eating the Seymour expense and some of Brady's, and Davis is using an older valuation, maybe based off the Panthers sale in 2018?
Overall though, yeah Davis didn't sell the 10% to raise funds, he did it because he wanted Brady in the ownership group for publicity reasons and maybe to build prestige with players in the league, make the team attractive.
Yeah I glossed over the Seymour piece which seems like a bit of a random add on. Not sure how it got lumped in or what Wagner's role was there.
But my hunch is that Brady is not paying the entire 200M-ish for his 5%. Wagner probably had no chance of getting a piece of that pie on his own, and was happy to join at that valuation with price of doing business covering a (large) chunk of Brady's share.
He’s bringing a lot more energy today. Definitely taking the notes on not being aloof—be excited, act like you care about the game.
It remains to be seen, but I figure that’s probably more natural to him. Like, he’s an honest to God fucking crazy person; let’s see if he lets his freak flag fly.
It remains to be seen, but I figure that’s probably more natural to him. Like, he’s an honest to God fucking crazy person; let’s see if he lets his freak flag fly.