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LeBron, Durant and Curry probably don't play in that one so at least Kerr has a few less options to put out there over him.
I strongly doubt Tatum turns down an opportunity to play for Team USA in an Olympics that is hosted in the US. But I have no doubt that he’ll quietly stew over this treatment for a while, at least until the regular season starts.

Whatever the reason, it’s a gigantic slap in the face to a player who’s worked his ass off to legitimately get here. Hopefully he at least gets to add a gold medal to the hardware.
 

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To me Tatum has to be sitting there thinking.. My team finally won the championship and I'm still being told I'm not good enough...
And they needed Tatum today. He would have rebounded and defended. They needed his length and I don't think they would have been in that deep of a hole with him. The 3 guard lineups did not work, they gave up so many open 3s and second shots.
 

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I strongly doubt Tatum turns down an opportunity to play for Team USA in an Olympics that is hosted in the US. But I have no doubt that he’ll quietly stew over this treatment for a while, at least until the regular season starts.

Whatever the reason, it’s a gigantic slap in the face to a player who’s worked his ass off to legitimately get here. Hopefully he at least gets to add a gold medal to the hardware.
You're right.. I forgot it was in LA.
 

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And they needed Tatum today. He would have rebounded and defended. They needed his length and I don't think they would have been in that deep of a hole with him. The 3 guard lineups did not work, they gave up so many open 3s and second shots.
I'm not familiar with Olympic/NBA rules.. can they play more than 10 players? Is it similar to the NBA where only 13 are active?
 

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French coaches gonna dust off the matchup zone after today. Basically if Ant is on the floor run that out and give him easy catches.
 

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Is the US the team that got hot today? 50% from 3 for USA vs 39% from 3 for Serbia.



The truth is that it's nothing to do with matchups (other than maybe Lebron, Tatum is the most matchup-proof player on the team, Kerr saying it's about matchups is an attempt to protect Tatum), and any conspiracy is extremely unlikely. There are two things keeping Tatum off the court, both disappointingly simple:

-His jump shot is truly busted right now.
-Kerr prefers guards, hence the 3 guard starting lineup (none of whom are the point guard). We saw this all year with GS, giving tons of minutes to Curry/Podz/Klay lineups, plus trying to make Poole work.

I think he should still be playing because even when his shot is off, he's one of the team's best defenders and rebounders and he's still getting to the rim and creating for others. Doubly so when we're giving up open 3 after open 3 in drop coverage, and Tatum could (should) be a big part of a switch everything lineup with guys like White/Holiday/Edwards/Bam/Lebron/Durant/Davis (only Haliburton/Curry/Booker/Embiid can't play that way, so apparently the other 2/3 of the team is SOL).
Tatum probably coulda gotten Bookers 6 points while providing better D.

Even if we X out Tatum. Jrue or White woulda been better choices than Booker.

I have no idea what Dejesus is talking about. Im supposed to believe Kerr benched Tatum bc LBJ told him to ? Why would LbJ do that?
 

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Can you at least consider my contention that FIBA ball is better than NBA, especially in how it is reffed. Embid embellished and flopped and they called travel, the flop against Curry at the end was ignored. Offensive rebounding is actually a thing in the paint. They called a 4th on the MVP when he pushed through a screen. You see once KD came to terms to with the physical play he could still get it done, it was just harder, and therefore more impressive.
I like that flopping doesn't seem to get much respect and that the refs basically don't respond at all to complaints. It's really confusing what is a foul though.. Bogdonavich hacked players all game and was rarely called for it.. even with time running out he was only called for what seemed like his fourth or fifth hack on Curry when he may have been trying to intentionally foul. Basically seems like body is rarely called and hands out in space/slaps are what is. On one of the late threes by Curry his defender flew by him but still hit his arm as he was moving to gather which would seem to have thrown someone off who wasn't one of the best shooters ever.
 

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Tatum probably coulda gotten Bookers 6 points while providing better D.

Even if we X out Tatum. Jrue or White woulda been better choices than Booker.

I have no idea what Dejesus is talking about. Im supposed to believe Kerr benched Tatum bc LBJ told him to ? Why would LbJ do that?
Holiday played four less minutes than Booker and only had three points.. but he had 7 assists only second to LeBron.

Feels like Kerr gives some players only one chance, like DW today, and if you don't hit you're taken off the floor.. Whereas players like Embiid, Booker and Ant are given a thousand chances. Some really weird lineup choices.
 

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I'm not familiar with Olympic/NBA rules.. can they play more than 10 players? Is it similar to the NBA where only 13 are active?
Sure, they can play all 12 in a game. Many teams do just that.

I laughed.
View: https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1821672300334465160

Bogdan couldve talked shit for the rest of his NBA career. Hawks down by 40 on a Tuesday night, still laugh in Bron's face if he wanted to. The hater golden pass slipping through the fingers has to hurt.
 

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Playing Booker situationally over Jrue on D after timeouts seems sub-optimal.

BUT maybe Steve believes Booker is a better defender.
 

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Holiday played four less minutes than Booker and only had three points.. but he had 7 assists only second to LeBron.

Feels like Kerr gives some players only one chance, like DW today, and if you don't hit you're taken off the floor.. Whereas players like Embiid, Booker and Ant are given a thousand chances. Some really weird lineup choices.
Surely. Give the time to Holiday. Better defender. Just such strange choices
 

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Tatum probably coulda gotten Bookers 6 points while providing better D.

Even if we X out Tatum. Jrue or White woulda been better choices than Booker.

I have no idea what Dejesus is talking about. Im supposed to believe Kerr benched Tatum bc LBJ told him to ? Why would LbJ do that?
To clarify, I dont think James told Kerr to bench anyone - my wild ass guess is that he does discuss lineups and strategy with his main guys (Curry, LeBron and KD) and gets their input. Kerr et then has to figure out whom to play and how much so my complete internet message board conjecture is that given match-ups and input of the staff plus the senior guys, he settles on a rotation.

The coaches have to figure out how to deny some high level NBA player playing time in an abbreviated Olympic basketball game. I suspect Kerr et al went into this knowing they would have to make some people unhappy as a result. Better for Steve that its Jayson and Haliburton versus his own guy, a player he won a ring with (and his sidekick) and the face of the league.
 

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To clarify, I dont think James told Kerr to bench anyone - my wild ass guess is that he does discuss lineups and strategy with his main guys (Curry, LeBron and KD) and gets their input. Kerr et then has to figure out whom to play and how much so my complete internet message board conjecture is that given match-ups and input of the staff plus the senior guys, he settles on a rotation.

The coaches have to figure out how to deny some high level NBA player playing time in an abbreviated Olympic basketball game. I suspect Kerr et al went into this knowing they would have to make some people unhappy as a result. Better for Steve that its Jayson and Haliburton versus his own guy, a player he won a ring with (and his sidekick) and the face of the league.
What?? Fine he listened to Lbj, kd and curry. Why would they ice tatum in favor of booker or ant (who has been trash). This isnt Boston fandom, this is the best players available

And like Tatum is the only american eligible first team all nba available for the US. This is not a celtics thing, this is a facts thing

Ignore tatum - what about all the other shitty decisions? Booker and no D switches for Jrue or White
 

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I am thinking that if Greece united with the former Yugoslavian countries, we might be able to form a team which actually might be favored over the US.

Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, Bogdanovic make for a very decent core.
Completely off topic, but speaking of hoops in Greece, I’ll be there in a week and just watched this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_(film)

It’s a pretty cool sports story, seems like it was very big deal in Greek hoops history. The full movie’s on YouTube. My girlfriend’s father is a former member of the Greek national squad and was on that AEK team and so is featured in that documentary. The girlfriend told him I play and apparently he wants to shoot around. He’s pushing 80 now so I think I can take him one-on-one. Probably won’t be in front of 80,000 at the Panathenaic stadium but I’ll get my laurels.

They are, needless to say, very big Giannis fans.
 

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Goddam. Really sucks that Wiggins had the best 2 weeks of his career in 2022
Wiggins going supernova defensively was one of the stranger feats.

At this point with Gold assured, I just want to know which one of Bron, KD, & Curry has gone Regina George on Tatum.
Enquiring minds want to know.
 

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I like the increased physicality (I think the way Embiid plays is basketball blasphemy), but I don't like the closer 3 point line, the shorter quarters, the (lack of) 3 second violations, the fact that you can knock balls off the rim, the jump ball possession arrows, etc. The increased amount of physical contact is great, but I'm not sure there's any other part of the FIBA-specific rulebook that I like.
Baby meet bathwater. You are only discussing minor, eas=ily changed things while admitting the shameful type of play permitted in the NBA.

The better rules for transition fouls, the strict way flopping is called, the limited timeouts. The way the game is reffed is almost everything, and it is better. I saw from Lebron a type of play he really never has had to do his entire NBA career. He began the first Q with the NBA approach, whining to the refs about physical play, but by end of the 2ndQ accepted the way it was played and remembered he is inhumanly strong and used his strength at both ends, including guarding Jokic. In the NBA he would have flopped, cried his way through these problems. This ball requires or allows for use of a bigger variety of skills, posting up, rebounding, are effective offensive moves. The NBA could (but won't becasue of the stars) play this physical style.

The 3pt line, quarter length are easy things to keep or change, and not germaine to my points. As for disliking knocking balls of the rim I do not understand that. It is the hardest thing in sports to call. The high volume of NBA guys has limited the above the rim play you often see in high end FIBA.
 

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Completely off topic, but speaking of hoops in Greece, I’ll be there in a week and just watched this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_(film)

It’s a pretty cool sports story, seems like it was very big deal in Greek hoops history. The full movie’s on YouTube. My girlfriend’s father is a former member of the Greek national squad and was on that AEK team and so is featured in that documentary. The girlfriend told him I play and apparently he wants to shoot around. He’s pushing 80 now so I think I can take him one-on-one. Probably won’t be in front of 80,000 at the Panathenaic stadium but I’ll get my laurels.

They are, needless to say, very big Giannis fans.
:)

I am AEK fan, so I know about though I haven't had the chance to watch the movie. Have fun in Greece!
 

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Playing Booker situationally over Jrue on D after timeouts seems sub-optimal.

BUT maybe Steve believes Booker is a better defender.
Kerr seems to believe Booker is the guy Dwayne Wade thinks he is, rather than the guy he actually is.

Haliburton is clearly the worst guy on the roster; Embiid has been pretty bad, but I get that the good version is hugely impactful (we saw some of that today). To me, Booker is the next worst guy on the roster---he's more valuable on most teams than White and Jrue and maybe Adebayo BUT on a team with better on-ball guys like LBJ, Curry, and Durant you want guys who can be impactful off-ball...and Booker is not that. Those other guys have a role as 4th/5th options...Booker does not, and we've sen that super clearly all Olympics.

I don't know if Kerr is constrained by politics, by desire to get guys in real life, or just his own theory of a roster...but he is not doing a good job this Olympics.
 

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Can you at least consider my contention that FIBA ball is better than NBA, especially in how it is reffed. Embid embellished and flopped and they called travel, the flop against Curry at the end was ignored. Offensive rebounding is actually a thing in the paint. They called a 4th on the MVP when he pushed through a screen. You see once KD came to terms to with the physical play he could still get it done, it was just harder, and therefore more impressive.
You're mostly preaching to the choir in this thread. Many of us have been saying this for years, usually in FIBA tournament gamethreads. The refs aren't any better - they miss as many calls as your Tony Brothers types - they're just trained to do some things and not do other things that make for a more consistent and visually appealing game.
 

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Who is embarrassed? What was embarrassing about a competitive game from Serbia with the best player in the world and several high level professional players?

C'mon, you guys are extra on this. They won a semifinal game and are going for gold. Now we grade on style points?
"The results are good, therefore the process that led to them must have been good" is definitely not a take I expected to hear from a guy who works in the financial markets.

Nobody is complaining about the shooting variance from White, or Davis getting into foul trouble. Execution is on the players. They're complaining about leaving Booker in there for #AllTheMinutes while a first team all-NBA player who would be the perfect drop-in solution rots on the bench, along with other players who would have been stouter defensively. They're complaining about nobody but Jrue cutting on offense until there's 5 seconds left, our iso happy offense leading to sloppy lost-ball turnovers, and players gambling for steals leading to wide open 3-pointers - y'know, stuff that is a coaching choice or directly affect-able by coaching.

The real answer to that is "Tatum has largely sucked, and if we put him in, he'd likely continue to suck". But if so then fine, get Jrue in there for Booker, get Bam in there and go jumbo. Kerr has solutions, but wasn't interested in admitting there was a problem.
 

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Kerr is running this like a MLB all-star game manager. Determining before the game 'Okay these guys are my pitchers I'm saving for extra innings'. Game situation be damned...
 

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"The results are good, therefore the process that led to them must have been good" is definitely not a take I expected to hear from a guy who works in the financial markets.

Nobody is complaining about the shooting variance from White, or Davis getting into foul trouble. Execution is on the players. They're complaining about leaving Booker in there for #AllTheMinutes while a first team all-NBA player who would be the perfect drop-in solution rots on the bench, along with other players who would have been stouter defensively. They're complaining about nobody but Jrue cutting on offense until there's 5 seconds left, our iso happy offense leading to sloppy lost-ball turnovers, and players gambling for steals leading to wide open 3-pointers - y'know, stuff that is a coaching choice or directly affect-able by coaching.

The real answer to that is "Tatum has largely sucked, and if we put him in, he'd likely continue to suck". But if so then fine, get Jrue in there for Booker, get Bam in there and go jumbo. Kerr has solutions, but wasn't interested in admitting there was a problem.
Setting aside how relevant my career is to this discussion (weird and not part of my post), the rotation is only really a story in Boston and on X where you can find enough mad folks + bots to make a case that the entire universe is big upset with Kerr. But I just did this Google search:

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What am I missing? The USA is advancing to the gold medal game and aside from here I am not seeing too much about Kerr's coaching.

I understand why folks are big mad here but people seem to be losing the plot. Team USA is very likely getting a gold.

That said, if the lose to France Kerr may not be allowed back in country.
 

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So does Tatum get any run in the gold medal game? Does Embiid start against Wemby? Or does Kerr screw the pooch?
If Kerr does the exact same thing he did today, they will lose to France. Either Booker and/or Curry will be played off the court and/or absolutely get destroyed on a cut. FIBA has let Yabusele and Lessert absolutely goon in the lane and on offense, and Wemby is swallowing guards on the perimeter. Yabusele might be the only guy in the tournament that is thicc enough to bang LeBron off his path.

Embiid is not going to play as well so I don't know if they want to start with Davis to give the option to split Bam. Might be best to start Durant and let Ant cook until he is decapitated by France. You really can't play small against France.
 

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My guess is either Embiid, KD, or Curry are going to limp off at some point in the Gold Medal game.
 

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You're mostly preaching to the choir in this thread. Many of us have been saying this for years, usually in FIBA tournament gamethreads. The refs aren't any better - they miss as many calls as your Tony Brothers types - they're just trained to do some things and not do other things that make for a more consistent and visually appealing game.
I guess, but I don't feel special when I accept what you are saying. :)

To me the loss is the greatness in the players we are denied by the current state of reffing.
 

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Setting aside how relevant my career is to this discussion (weird and not part of my post), the rotation is only really a story in Boston and on X where you can find enough mad folks + bots to make a case that the entire universe is big upset with Kerr. But I just did this Google search:

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What am I missing? The USA is advancing to the gold medal game and aside from here I am not seeing too much about Kerr's coaching.

I understand why folks are big mad here but people seem to be losing the plot. Team USA is very likely getting a gold.

That said, if the lose to France Kerr may not be allowed back in country.
We're not losing to France. We just played the second best team in the tournament, who went on a heater, and it still wasn't enough. It'll be worth watching because there will be a few Wemby Moments but it won't be a game in the 4th quarter.

But I brought up your career because I would think that a focus on being right-process-oriented, instead of purely results-oriented, as a way of viewing events, would be a default viewpoint of yours. Certainly one that would be intuitive to you. And yet here you were pushing back on people who were talking process, and saying "but the results speak for themselves!", and that struck me as doubly weird for that reason.

Kerr came within a Curry supernova of losing to a team where the median expected result of this game is USA +15-20. And did so while committing, to experienced ball-watching eyes here and elsewhere, a number of glaring coaching errors. We can walk and chew gum at the same time here, so we can celebrate a thrilling, dramatic win and how great our big 3 are, while also talking about how Kerr very nearly screwed up the surest thing at the entire Olympics (Ok, other than our women's basketball team). There's room for both, and it's not weird to do so when it's this glaring, not is it surprising that the news articles will focus on the former. The former is the news story. That's fine. I'm stoked we won too. But the latter is also a story, at least among the ball intelligentsia.

If you think Kerr's coaching was within rounding error of normal / optimal, that's a position you can feel free to argue. But there's a bunch of people here saying it was like two sigmas to the negative, and explaining why. I'd be much more interested to read why you think they're wrong or valuing the wrong things, than trying to un-ask the question in the first place.
 
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I guess, but I don't feel special when I accept what you are saying. :)

To me the loss is the greatness in the players we are denied by the current state of reffing.
Yeah, I wouldn't change the NBA's game length, 3 point line or some of the other things, but the body contact limits, transition calls, the other stuff you mentioned - it just makes for way more watchable ball. If Embiid gets called for that travel in the NBA instead of getting gifted a foul call like he expected, our gamethreads' blood pressure would be down at least like 10-20%.

And I think the NBA is even considering whether it still needs 3-seconds calls in today's game, whether it's designed to solve a problem that no longer exists and creates unnecessary (and kinda randomized) stoppages of the game flow. I hope they change it, but either way it's not way outta left field (as someone else implied) for you and I to suggest that FIBA has that one correct.
 

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Setting aside how relevant my career is to this discussion (weird and not part of my post), the rotation is only really a story in Boston and on X where you can find enough mad folks + bots to make a case that the entire universe is big upset with Kerr. But I just did this Google search:

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What am I missing? The USA is advancing to the gold medal game and aside from here I am not seeing too much about Kerr's coaching.

I understand why folks are big mad here but people seem to be losing the plot. Team USA is very likely getting a gold.

That said, if the lose to France Kerr may not be allowed back in country.
Yes, the headlines aren't focused on that because, well.... the big story is that they actually won.

But for those of us who actually watched the game, it's very easy to say that Kerr coached terribly, had awful rotations, and in the end, Steph, KD and Bron just started calling their own played in the last 5 minutes, and that's why they won.
 

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What I found strange that in a game where T-USA was down double digits deep into the game, and facing elimination,, Kerr stuck to the benched Tatum strategy. Was he saving him for the BRONZE GAME?

T-USA won the game on some great 4Q clutch performances, luck and Serbia running on empty. Kerrs decisions were questionable and somewhat akin to BBs decision not to play Malcolm against the Eagles. Did Deuce diss him?
 

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Setting aside how relevant my career is to this discussion (weird and not part of my post), the rotation is only really a story in Boston and on X where you can find enough mad folks + bots to make a case that the entire universe is big upset with Kerr. But I just did this Google search:

View attachment 86882

What am I missing? The USA is advancing to the gold medal game and aside from here I am not seeing too much about Kerr's coaching.

I understand why folks are big mad here but people seem to be losing the plot. Team USA is very likely getting a gold.

That said, if the lose to France Kerr may not be allowed back in country.
Ok dude.

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We are in agreement - it matters only to Boston/Tatum fans. Fans of other teams can certainly troll us with it but the only thing USA fans are focused on is the comeback. We have X so I am sure people have so much grievance at the ready but beyond the anger chambers people are just stoked the team is going for gold. The takesphere has thoughts about Kerr but nobody is as angry as we are here.
 

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40 minutes as opposed to 48 is a huge difference (agreed that 48 is better). If it's 40, you can use your bench much less if you choose, it becomes a 5-6 man game over a 8-9 man one.
I think 40 works better in the Olympics for teams outside the us who can’t put together teams with 12 all stars.
 

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If I'm Tatum I'm furious -- he's played the most games of any player in the last three seasons and he commits to Team USA. He could have spent this time with his kid, but no, he goes and plays for Team USA, and he's an afterthought. He's one of the 5-7 best players in the league, and this is how he's treated.

Unless he is absolutely too hurt to play (yet can play other games), it's a slap in the face.
 

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We are in agreement - it matters only to Boston/Tatum fans. Fans of other teams can certainly troll us with it but the only thing USA fans are focused on is the comeback. We have X so I am sure people have so much grievance at the ready but beyond the anger chambers people are just stoked the team is going for gold. The takesphere has thoughts about Kerr but nobody is as angry as we are here.
No, sorry, but no, it doesn't matter to just Boston/Tatum fans.

I had three Lakers fan friends of mine ask me, straight up (in different ways), "why the fuck isn't Tatum out of his warmups???" today. Even LAKERS fans are asking why Tatum isn't even getting 1 minute of burn.

You're a smart person, a great guy, and I don't get why you're trying to die on this hill. Not playing one of the 7 best players in the entire league when he's the only American All-NBA first teamer is indefensible. Playing shit defenders like Booker over Tatum is stupid. And the thing is that it's so easy to play Tatum; he defends 5 positions so even if he's not shooting great, he can still be a plus on defense.

Dude, I love you, but what the hell are you talking about?
 
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My friend this ain't a hill. Its barely a speed bump.

I live in Warriors land, amongst a lot of Kerr critics and I am not hearing the coaching/rotation complaints. They are definitely enjoying hanging the DNP on Tatum while their guy is the hero - I got texts today too. But people aren't getting exercised about Kerr's rotations... unless you really go searching.

Obviously this is going to be huge news in Boston. There is no disputing that.
 

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My friend this ain't a hill. Its barely a speed bump.

I live in Warriors land, amongst a lot of Kerr critics and I am not hearing the coaching/rotation complaints. They are definitely enjoying hanging the DNP on Tatum while their guy is the hero - I got texts today too. But people aren't getting exercised about Kerr's rotations... unless you really go searching.

Obviously this is going to be huge news in Boston. There is no disputing that.
That’s likely because Tatum is quiet, doesn’t do self-promotion, and is basically one of the more nondescript superstars out there. He could be making this into a much bigger story but, to his credit, he is not despite being fully justified in doing so. If he had Jaylen’s personality, this would be a much bigger story, IMO. It’s only a non-story because of Tatum and I don’t think casual fans pay much attention to Olympics hoops, especially when the games are happening late morning or early afternoon.
 

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My friend this ain't a hill. Its barely a speed bump.

I live in Warriors land, amongst a lot of Kerr critics and I am not hearing the coaching/rotation complaints. They are definitely enjoying hanging the DNP on Tatum while their guy is the hero - I got texts today too. But people aren't getting exercised about Kerr's rotations... unless you really go searching.

Obviously this is going to be huge news in Boston. There is no disputing that.
Love ya bud.

I know you're in Warriors land, and that they're not making even a little deal out of it out there isn't shocking at all since Kerr's the coach.

Anyway, it's likely this plan works out for Kerr and they get a gold but it's fucking mindboggling to exclude Tatum unless he's so hurt he can't play even if he played the last few games.

Also, anyone who has a brain about basketball knows his rotations are shit, sorry. Booker playing and getting switched onto Jokic was dumb as fuck. You can't even deny it, and I know this because you actually know ball. Kerr made TERRIBLE subs and it could have cost them. Frankly, without Steph going fucking off, they lose this game.
 

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My brother in law lives in SF and is a Laker fan. He texted me today and said “That was a great game but a lot of people are complaining about Kerr’s coaching and rotations”

It’s 10000000% not just a Celtics fan thing. Almost every NBA fan I know is talking about Kerr’s coaching and rotations
 

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I hate to bring up reddit because, well, it's reddit, but if you look at the game thread and post game thread from today in the NBA sub (a relatively juvenile place that LOVES to clown on Tatum), you'll see a very large number of people from pretty much every fanbase baffled about why he wasn't brought into the game today. There is no shortage of people there who, in the heat of the game while team USA felt almost certain to lose, expressed disdain towards Kerr for not playing Tatum when it was obvious that his rebounding and perimeter/switch defense would have seemingly been helpful to stop the bleeding. Now again, yeah it's reddit. But basketball fanbases from most teams and even countries are well and diversely represented there. It's not just Boston fandom making this noise, or at least not while the game was live.
 

scottyno

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We're not losing to France. We just played the second best team in the tournament, who went on a heater, and it still wasn't enough. It'll be worth watching because there will be a few Wemby Moments but it won't be a game in the 4th quarter.
The second best team in the tournament got waxed by France a few days ago
 

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My friend this ain't a hill. Its barely a speed bump.

I live in Warriors land, amongst a lot of Kerr critics and I am not hearing the coaching/rotation complaints. They are definitely enjoying hanging the DNP on Tatum while their guy is the hero - I got texts today too. But people aren't getting exercised about Kerr's rotations... unless you really go searching.

Obviously this is going to be huge news in Boston. There is no disputing that.
So reading between the lines your Warrior buddies have come to the conclusion that Kerr is a petty dick using his position to play childish head games.
 

BaseballJones

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Couldn’t watch the game last night so I’m reliving it here.

Is Embiid cooked?
Since I didn’t see it, no idea but he shot 8-11 and was the US’s second leading scorer with 19. Also Curry… wow.

And LeBron. Just continues to be an absolute monster.

Oh and Tatum did not play at all. He’s basically the last man on this team’s bench, which (yes I know he hasn’t exactly played well but…) is astonishing considering he’s one of the five or ten best players in the world, regardless of nationality.
 

McBride11

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My friend this ain't a hill. Its barely a speed bump.

I live in Warriors land, amongst a lot of Kerr critics and I am not hearing the coaching/rotation complaints. They are definitely enjoying hanging the DNP on Tatum while their guy is the hero - I got texts today too. But people aren't getting exercised about Kerr's rotations... unless you really go searching.

Obviously this is going to be huge news in Boston. There is no disputing that.
Cmon man. Fine maybe your circle isn’t getting ‘exercised’ over Kerr’s rotations.
I’ll ask again, how is Booker over Jrue on D a better call? Or White? Bam bringing the ball up!!

And again Tatum is the only American first team all NBA player. So the majority of voters (ya ya biased bunch) voting him there.

So a top 5 player in the NBA is a DNP and the coach is clean? Esp when Kerr played shittier players. Ant sucked and played. Booker the pointz guy got 6 and was destroyed on D. Cmon dude, is Kerr like paying you to cover his ass? You def know more about bball than me but this is an odd tangent

Ps waking up at 4ish to jog is stupid. Even the pup didnt budge
 

McBride11

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My friend this ain't a hill. Its barely a speed bump.

I live in Warriors land, amongst a lot of Kerr critics and I am not hearing the coaching/rotation complaints. They are definitely enjoying hanging the DNP on Tatum while their guy is the hero - I got texts today too. But people aren't getting exercised about Kerr's rotations... unless you really go searching.

Obviously this is going to be huge news in Boston. There is no disputing that.
Cmon man. Fine maybe your circle isn’t getting ‘exercised’ over Kerr’s rotations.
I’ll ask again, how is Booker over Jrue on D a better call? Or White? Bam bringing the ball up!!

And again Tatum is the only American first team all NBA player. So the majority of voters (ya ya biased bunch) voting him there.

So a top 5 player in the NBA is a DNP and the coach is clean? Esp when Kerr played shittier players. Ant sucked and played. Booker the pointz guy got 6 and was destroyed on D. Cmon dude, is Kerr like paying you to cover his ass? You def know more about bball than me but this is an odd tangent

Ps waking up at 4ish to jog is stupid. Even the pup didnt budge
 

Nick Kaufman

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We are in agreement - it matters only to Boston/Tatum fans. Fans of other teams can certainly troll us with it but the only thing USA fans are focused on is the comeback. We have X so I am sure people have so much grievance at the ready but beyond the anger chambers people are just stoked the team is going for gold. The takesphere has thoughts about Kerr but nobody is as angry as we are here.
i am playing poker in a DC casino and the dealer at my game mentioned unmpropted that Kerr has coached very bad throughout the tournament and thatTatum must have done something to piss him off.

otoh, there was an old ABA player at the table who thought that Kerr coached very well.

but yeah, overall, I got the impression that the Tatum benching isn’ t some5in that’s just a Boston thing.