Texans: Tire Fire of All Tire Fires

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The Raiders apparently have an offer of 2 firsts for Carr and are willing to package two more of their own to get Watson. I have to imagine that none of those picks are premium picks, so I don't think the 4 #1s get it done.
2 firsts for Carr? Maybe one is for the 2031 draft.

Addendum: Carr might work out fine with the Pats, but 2 firsts seems dubious. At best, the truth might be 2 firsts with something like a second going the other way.
 
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I must admit, the thought of Derek Carr going to the franchise that ruined his brother's career would be mildly amusing to me. I certainly wouldn't pay 2 #1's for Derek Carr.
 

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I actually think Carr would be an intriguing stopgap option with potential upside to be more than that for the Pats - certainly I would rather have him over someone like Stafford given age and contract. Two firsts does seem like a steep price, though.

I suspect we are going to be hearing a lot more reports like this before all is said and done, though, because Watson would be an upgrade over almost every other QB in the league so even teams with good QBs (like Carr) may want to explore trade possibilities. My hope is that if the Pats strike out on Watson, as seems likely, they can at least get involved directly or indirectly and take advantage of a team or teams trying to unload their current QB to open up a potential Watson spot.
 

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If the Raiders can somehow get Watson, I'll pack Carr's bags for him. Otherwise, I'll be happy if the Raiders keep him. He was great last year even with a bunch of O-line and WR injuries. Gruden's system seems to work for him.

Of course if the Raiders do get Watson, the picks/players they lose will probably set the defense back even more, and since that was the big problem last season, I think even with Watson they could be treading water for a few years.
 

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After reading the article, why wouldn't the Raiders just offer Carr, two first-round picks and something else for Watson? Seems like they're thinking three-way trade only
I don't think HOU is all that interested in 2 years of Carr at about $20M each. If they trade Watson they're going to burn it to the ground, only QBs that make sense for them are cheap, or on a rookie deal.
 

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I don't think HOU is all that interested in 2 years of Carr at about $20M each. If they trade Watson they're going to burn it to the ground, only QBs that make sense for them are cheap, or on a rookie deal.
That sounds right. I think it would have to be a three team deal. Something like the 49ers get Carr, the Raiders get Watson, and the Texans get picks and a couple of young players from both. Could substitute a few QB-needy teams in GFIN mode for the 49ers.

Of course all those third teams would rather just pull off the trade for Watson themselves. And the 49ers in particular would rather flip Jimmy G for assets to pull that off instead of being the third wheel in a trade that sets up the Raiders.

And all of that probably depends in part on where Watson is willing to go. Fun times.
 

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I must admit, the thought of Derek Carr going to the franchise that ruined his brother's career would be mildly amusing to me. I certainly wouldn't pay 2 #1's for Derek Carr.
You would if you believed everything in the story by the Davis mouthpiece
 

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That sounds right. I think it would have to be a three team deal. Something like the 49ers get Carr, the Raiders get Watson, and the Texans get picks and a couple of young players from both. Could substitute a few QB-needy teams in GFIN mode for the 49ers.
Colts might fit that profile ... although a Texans-Jets-Raiders/Niners three-way deal would be fun to contemplate
 

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Yeah, I have no idea what I would send for him, but Carr's stats are pretty good.

Last 2 years his passer rating is over 100, 3/1 TD/INT ratio, 4000+ yards. Everything depends on the cost, but I wouldn't hate it.
 

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I see potential for a 4-team deal where the Raiders trade away both Carr and Mariota for picks/players to amass a bundle, and then send the bundle to the Texans for Watson.
 

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Rootes did not like the direction that the Texans organization, with executive vice president Jack Easterby, was going, and Rootes' input on the new general manager hire was not valued or counted, sources told ESPN on Wednesday.
Last week, the Texans fired director of football administration Kevin Krajcovic, equipment manager Mike Parson and vice president of football operations Doug West.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30873617/houston-texans-president-jamey-rootes-resigned
 

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View: https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1359542032654610433


Cal McNair: 'We will now build upon this foundation and move forward with a bold and unwavering commitment to winning championships, creating memorable experiences for our fans, and doing great things for Houston'


What were you doing before?
We're about to embark on a bold and unwavering commitment to winning championships!

...right as soon as we trade our 25 year-old top 5 franchise QB who we pissed off by being completely incompetent while giving unlimited power to a fraudulent jackass who has no idea what he's doing and has fired every competent employee the franchise has
 

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We're about to embark on a bold and unwavering commitment to winning championships!

...right as soon as we trade our 25 year-old top 5 franchise QB who we pissed off by being completely incompetent while giving unlimited power to a fraudulent jackass who has no idea what he's doing and has fired every competent employee the franchise has
Oh no, Cal has it in him to embark on a bold and unwavering commitment to winning championships by refusing to trade his franchise QB who sits out the whole year because Cal's church buddy thinks it's the right move.
 

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Of course Easterby is a clown, but Cal not trading his franchise QB might be the right call.

If high quality offers aren't there or if Watson makes it impossible to take one of the better deals because of his no trade clause, keeping Watson on the roster even if he holds out could be better than taking a bad deal.
 

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Of course Easterby is a clown, but Cal not trading his franchise QB might be the right call.

If high quality offers aren't there or if Watson makes it impossible to take one of the better deals because of his no trade clause, keeping Watson on the roster even if he holds out could be better than taking a bad deal.
How long are they gonna hold onto an elephant not in the stadium?

I don’t think the cost is limited to not getting use of the player or whoever you could have acquired in a trade. It is also essentially having the cloud of Deshaun Watson hanging over the team for the season. They’ll probably be bad whether they trade him or he sits, but if it isn’t gonna work out they need to move on at some point.

I don’t see how McNair rehabilitates that relationship, and he hasn’t shown much indication that is particularly important to him.
 

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We're about to embark on a bold and unwavering commitment to winning championships!

...right as soon as we trade our 25 year-old top 5 franchise QB who we pissed off by being completely incompetent while giving unlimited power to a fraudulent jackass who has no idea what he's doing and has fired every competent employee the franchise has
I think firing the assistant locker room manager is going to be the straw that broke the camels back here, Watson is as good as gone now.
 

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I think firing the assistant locker room manager is going to be the straw that broke the camels back here, Watson is as good as gone now.
Interesting part of my post to focus on. Easterby has been an unmitigated disaster.
 

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How long are they gonna hold onto an elephant not in the stadium?
I think there is going to be a big cloud of stinking tire fire smoke hanging over the franchise for at least a year, but probably two, no matter what happens. Houston doesn't trade Watson and he sits out? Cloud. Houston trades Watson for pennies on the dollar? Cloud. Houston trades Watson for a kings ransom? Still a cloud, though maybe a smaller one.

If there isn't a good deal out there, they might as well endure the stench in the hope that a better one comes around within a year. Especially if there is a deal they actually want, but Watson vetos it. I think a year is the max it will go, either way. And everything will still stink.
 

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The 2021 Easterby Victory Tour is going as well for the Texans as the original Victory Tour went for the Sullivan Family.
 

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I think there is going to be a big cloud of stinking tire fire smoke hanging over the franchise for at least a year, but probably two, no matter what happens. Houston doesn't trade Watson and he sits out? Cloud. Houston trades Watson for pennies on the dollar? Cloud. Houston trades Watson for a kings ransom? Still a cloud, though maybe a smaller one.

If there isn't a good deal out there, they might as well endure the stench in the hope that a better one comes around within a year. Especially if there is a deal they actually want, but Watson vetos it. I think a year is the max it will go, either way. And everything will still stink.
But if they are going to trade him at some point, there is value in clearing his cap space now and getting to use that money to improve other areas of the team. Agreed it still depends on what offers they get that Watson would also be okay with, but having $16 million in cap doing nothing for you for a year is rough.
 

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According to this article, Watson is reportedly willing to waive his NTC to join 3 specific teams.

New York Jets, the Miami Dolphins, and the Carolina Panthers.
That doesn't really compute and I pretty much doubt this source. A guy who desperately wants out isn't going to limit his options, which would only serve to make it tougher for Houston to make a deal if they ever relent on their current stance. Seems like they just listed the most obvious options based on 2021 draft capital/need.
 

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That doesn't really compute and I pretty much doubt this source. A guy who desperately wants out isn't going to limit his options, which would only serve to make it tougher for Houston to make a deal if they ever relent on their current stance. Seems like they just listed the most obvious options based on 2021 draft capital/need.
That source cites this story ...

https://www.radio.com/espnupstate/sports/deshaun-watson-would-accept-trade-to-these-teams
... which includes this wording

"... sources told Offsides with Marc Ryan that while the list may not be finalized and the situation remains fluid ..."

In other words, a nothingburger.

Now, it's possible that Watson's side leaked some teams to "Offsides with Marc Ryan" to regain control of the spin which, until that dropped, had been the Texans' "we're not taking calls" position ... but I doubt that if a deal was struck tomorrow between Houston and, say, SF, that Watson would say no.
 

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That doesn't really compute and I pretty much doubt this source. A guy who desperately wants out isn't going to limit his options, which would only serve to make it tougher for Houston to make a deal if they ever relent on their current stance. Seems like they just listed the most obvious options based on 2021 draft capital/need.
Yeah I don't see that as a "I will only go to these teams" leak it's a "hey team everyone knows is interested, don't worry about my NTC, please come get me"
 

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I was just looking up the Herschel Walker trade. Essentially: three firsts, three seconds, one third for Walker and two thirds. I think the Texans will get more than this for Watson (I'm assuming Caserio is a better negotiator than O'Brien).
 

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the fatal mistake hou made was not getting rid of o'brien after 2018 i would try to work a deal with a nfc team or mia ' nyj

ser 1
Watson to mia for tua 3 19 2021 2nd 2022 1st

ser 2 Watson to nyj for 2 sea 1st 2nd and 2022 1st 3rd danold then trade darold to denver for wr t patrick 2021 3rd and 4th

ser Watson to sf for jimmy g 1st 2nd 2022 1st then jimmy g to ne for 2021 2nd 4th and j sidham
 

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Caserio is going to hate this job so much. At least the money is good.
I'm not so sure about that. The word was 100% out about Easterby when he took the job, there've been other attractive GM jobs open recently, and Caserio talks like someone who's been drinking the Easterby Kool-Aid. I think the chances are pretty good that he knew what he was getting into and was fine with it.
 

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I'm not so sure about that. The word was 100% out about Easterby when he took the job, there've been other attractive GM jobs open recently, and Caserio talks like someone who's been drinking the Easterby Kool-Aid. I think the chances are pretty good that he knew what he was getting into and was fine with it.
I think it’s possible this honeymoon period ends pretty quickly but we’ll see.
 

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First: attention.
Second: not having Watson play because of his own misconduct is a lot better for Easterby than not having him play because he is holding out.
Third: No complaints about trade package because it likely won’t exist.
Probably won’t be hearing much about “Easterby ruined the great Texan culture”
 

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At some point though he actually has to win. I think. Maybe he has them all mesmerized.