Really disappointing so far. The Friars need to use their athleticism to get some easy buckets because they can't hit much in the half court offense.
The 2014-15 PC Friars/ Big East Basketball Thread: Bigger, Deeper ... Better (?)
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He's forced to play this way to try and keep us in the game due to our limited options and Butler's stifling defense. He doesn't want to force the action as that isn't his game but nobody else is stepping up offensively.....he's going to need another nearly 20 point second half like he had last game for this very reason.NoLastCall125 said:
What an absolute hose job on that call. Clearly a jump ball.
Butler got nearly every 50/50 call today.
Butler got nearly every 50/50 call today.
Courageous rally fell a little short. Going to have to do it the hard way drawing St. John's on Thursday afternoon and being on Villanova's side of the bracket. A little worried a loss on Thursday will drop them to the 8/9 game.
Ugh one man can only do so much. We really have such little depth it wouldn't surprise me to end the season with 3 straight losses. Worst possible matchup vs St Johns then a tournament team in a 7/10 or 8/9 game.
No matter what I'm proud of what Cooley, Henton and Dunn have accomplished this year. In my mind we are free rolling from here.
No matter what I'm proud of what Cooley, Henton and Dunn have accomplished this year. In my mind we are free rolling from here.
You gotta think it's going to be hard to lose to the same team 3 times in a season. I like PC vs St. John's. Afternoon game helps since there will likely be less people in MSG.
Win and hope for a repeat of last year when someone knocks off Nova for us.
Win and hope for a repeat of last year when someone knocks off Nova for us.
While I am excited about the direction of the program, next year could be very very ugly if Dunn leaves. I'm talking about scoring 55-60 points a game ugly.HomeRunBaker said:
I was at that awesome B's game today (Thanks Napkin), so I didn't catch this one, but damn, what a huge missed opportunity for them. Seems like Dunn did all he good, but Henton has come up small in a few big games this year, including the first 2 of that 3 loss stretch early on in the season. With No's 9, 13, 8 and 18 all losing (with quite a few more still playing/yet to play) to go along with all of the other losses this week in the top 25, it's hard not to think how high PC would have jumped up the rankings with a win over No. 21. Uggh, this one hurt so fucking bad, and that's without even looking ahead to where it leaves them in the Conference Tourney. Like you guys have all said, I think a loss to St. John's might not only leave them in a play-in game for the Dance, it could very well keep them out of the tournament altogether.
I mean, just look around. If they lose to St. John's, and finish at 21-11, I don't think they have all that great a resume, and there are a ton of bubble teams in that 19-23 win range like them that could very well get in before them, especially if those teams play well in their conference tournaments. Just take a quick look at some of the team's that played today. LSU goes to 22-9 after knocking off No. 18 Arkansas on the road, certainly St. John's would get in before PC with 3 head to head wins, Texas is 19-12, Georgia is 20-10, Miami is 20-11, Pitt 19-13, Michigan State 21-10, Indiana 19-12, Temple 22-9, A&M 20-10, and it goes on and on. I'm not saying all of those teams would deserve to get in over PC, I'm just saying that this loss today put them in a conversation with a LOT of other teams, and a first round exit next week could end up leaving them on the outside looking in and heading to the NIT. Uggh..............And like PC just said, if Dunn leaves, the future isn't all that bright either, IMO. I don't want to overstate things, but I really believe that today's game could have massive implications on this program for years to come. Almost makes the St. John's game a must-win for them.
I mean, just look around. If they lose to St. John's, and finish at 21-11, I don't think they have all that great a resume, and there are a ton of bubble teams in that 19-23 win range like them that could very well get in before them, especially if those teams play well in their conference tournaments. Just take a quick look at some of the team's that played today. LSU goes to 22-9 after knocking off No. 18 Arkansas on the road, certainly St. John's would get in before PC with 3 head to head wins, Texas is 19-12, Georgia is 20-10, Miami is 20-11, Pitt 19-13, Michigan State 21-10, Indiana 19-12, Temple 22-9, A&M 20-10, and it goes on and on. I'm not saying all of those teams would deserve to get in over PC, I'm just saying that this loss today put them in a conversation with a LOT of other teams, and a first round exit next week could end up leaving them on the outside looking in and heading to the NIT. Uggh..............And like PC just said, if Dunn leaves, the future isn't all that bright either, IMO. I don't want to overstate things, but I really believe that today's game could have massive implications on this program for years to come. Almost makes the St. John's game a must-win for them.
Their RPI is in the 20's......there is no way in hell they fall to a play in game....worst case is an 8 seed if they lose to St. John's
Your lips to God's ears. They were actually right at 20 on the RPI before losing to No. 26 Butler today, and St. John's was at 32 before losing to Villanova. I think all those losses by fellow top 25 teams probably helps in that regard, but I also think those RPI numbers change pretty significantly in the upcoming days too. If St. John's drops to like 35 or something, and PC loses to them for a third time, I could see PC finishing down in the 30's somewhere, especially if some of the other teams in that range play well in their conference tournaments. Throw in some other automatic bids, and all of a sudden, the number of open spots in the Dance gets smaller and smaller.
PC was a 6 seed according to Lunardi's projections this morning.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Losing to two other teams that are locks is not going to endanger the Friars spot in the field. They should be be a single digit seed, unless Dunn and Henton get injured in the BET. The loss today hurt because finishing in 2nd place would have been a nice accomplishment and kept open the possibility to be as high as a 5 seed. In all likelihood, they will be in the 7 to 9 range since this team is very unlikely to beat Villanova if they get by the Red Storm.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Losing to two other teams that are locks is not going to endanger the Friars spot in the field. They should be be a single digit seed, unless Dunn and Henton get injured in the BET. The loss today hurt because finishing in 2nd place would have been a nice accomplishment and kept open the possibility to be as high as a 5 seed. In all likelihood, they will be in the 7 to 9 range since this team is very unlikely to beat Villanova if they get by the Red Storm.
Agreed. A loss to St Johns almost certainly gets us in the dredded 8/9 game with an outside shot at a 7. Nobody goes from a 6/7 seed to a playin game based on two losses to quality opponents.khalid1973 said:
There is every reason to expect a loss to St Johns also.....it's the same matchup problems we had In the first two games. I don't buy how hard it is to beat someone three times.....as there is usually good reason why they won the first two.
It is really amazing we're going to b2b tournaments as it is......nevermind that two of the programs top recruits we have ever had never suited up for us in Ledo and Brandon Austin.
Bad News: Dunn is completely shunned by voters who likely never saw PC play once this season in not being named a Top-15 Finalist for The Bob Cousy Award as the best PG in the country. Words cannot describe how silly this is.
Good News: Those who actually did watch him play voted him as a NBC Sports 2nd Team All-American.....which makes a whole lot more sense.
Good News: Those who actually did watch him play voted him as a NBC Sports 2nd Team All-American.....which makes a whole lot more sense.
I decided on a whim today to head down on Thursday for the first games. Haven't seen one of my college roommates in forever so I said fuck it and decided to head down. They better win.
It looks like Dunn and Henton will be the Co-Big East Players of the Year. If true, it'd be the first time a Friar has ever won it, let alone two of them.
Not Henton. Dunn and Ryan Arcidiacono.
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2015/3/11/8192277/ryan-arcidiacono-kris-dunn-share-big-east-player-of-the-year-award
http://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/2015/3/11/8192277/ryan-arcidiacono-kris-dunn-share-big-east-player-of-the-year-award
That was a fun win while avenging our previous two losses against St. John's. Bentil looked like a monster again. Seeing him grow over the next few seasons will be a treat. Bring on Nova.
Very much enjoying the annual tradition of beating down a Steve Lavin coached St. John's Team at MSG in the Big East Tourney.
I've said during the season how terrible a matchup Villanova is for us as they go 7-8 quality deep whereas we play 4-5 freshman in our deep rotations.
I will say this.....it isn't uncommon for a 1-seed in these conference tournaments to take their initial game very lightly and rarely do these teams come out full throttle. The mentality many take into this spot is "Hey we are the 1-seed, these guys played yesterday, we beat them twice in the regular season." It can lead to Nova coming out soft and digging an early hole as in the back of their mind they want to save their legs for the next two days.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM
I will say this.....it isn't uncommon for a 1-seed in these conference tournaments to take their initial game very lightly and rarely do these teams come out full throttle. The mentality many take into this spot is "Hey we are the 1-seed, these guys played yesterday, we beat them twice in the regular season." It can lead to Nova coming out soft and digging an early hole as in the back of their mind they want to save their legs for the next two days.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM
HomeRunBaker said:
Nova didn't take their initial game lightly. They hit 17 threes and destroyed Marquette.
I agree that this is going to be a tough matchup. Dunn has to play better against the Wildcats. No more forcing his own shots, he needs to play point guard now more than ever. He's going to be the main guy Nova wants to shut down and it should lead to double and triple teams. He needs to protect the ball and become pass first, at least to keep them honest, before taking it to the hoop when they drop back and it's only one on one. He played awful against Nova last game and any performance like that this time will bury PC.
Coupled with that, Henton and Harris need to come up huge, while Bentil and Derosiers stay out of foul trouble. They need to extend their zone and protect against the three - daring Nova to hit them will just get them buried quickly like the last game. There are so many things that need to bounce the right way that I can't see how the Friars pull this off, but I hope they do play them tough. I assume it'll feel more like a game at the Dunk than the Pavilion (with the majority rooting for the underdog) so starting out hot and building momentum would be huge.
PC cuts the lead to 3, Cooley subs in Harris for Derosiers and they go small. Bentil is trying to guard Ochefu and back to back times down the court gets owned. Why not sub in Chukwu? Nobody can handle him defensively except their two bigs. Ugh.
3 point lead for 'Nova. Providence ball. 2:28 left. PC defense has been fantastic for the last few minutes, but they haven't been able to get anything to fall on the offensive side. Huge possession right here.
Dunn has 18 points, 9 assists, 7 rebounds and 2 steals. Unfortunately, Henton coming up small again in a big game thus far, with 6 points on 2/8 shooting.
Holy shit, great look by Dunn down low to Bentil, who gets hammered. Going to the line.
Free throws, free throws, free throws. I've been talking about it all season. Let's hope it doesn't rear it's ugly head tonight.
He misses the first, makes the second. Two point game.
Holy shit, great look by Dunn down low to Bentil, who gets hammered. Going to the line.
Free throws, free throws, free throws. I've been talking about it all season. Let's hope it doesn't rear it's ugly head tonight.
He misses the first, makes the second. Two point game.
Great defensive stop by PC. Missed shot by Deargianaoacono. Ball out of bounds on 'Nova. PC Ball, down 4. 22 seconds left. Need a quick score, and a foul. Cooley made the decision to let them run the clock down to zero on the last possession instead of fouling.
Wow. Dunn takes it the whole way himself, and gets the layup. May have even been fouled on the drive. 2 point game, 'Nova inbounding. Trap or foul.
HOLY SHIT. HOLY SHIT. PC stole the balls from the guy that got the inbounds, and laid it up and in. Tie game with about 10 seconds left. Holy shit. It all comes down to this possession now.
Actually, 12.4 seconds left. If PC can get to overtime, I think they can win this, especially with Hilliard out with fouls.
Fuck. Arcididanaccono gets the foul call going to the hoop. I think it was a weak fucking call. Going to the line with 3 seconds left. Awful fucking call.
Such fucking bullshit. They set up an inbounds play that should have worked. Dunn inbounds it to a man at half court and then sprints up the court. Instead of giving it back to him, Carson feeds it to Henton on the other side, who takes a running three and misses everything. Fuck. I think if he gives it to Dunn there, Dunn has an open pull up shot.
I'm still sick about that foul call. You just can't call that at that point in the game. Make the guy make the shot. If it was a clear foul, that's one thing, but this was questionable at best. Fuck.
Sad loss. 100% ref aided on a phantom foul. What a lame way to end the game.
Edit: Josh Hart can't even keep a straight face when the Fox crew shows him the highlights of the "foul." Credit to Hart for being an honest guy.
Edit: Josh Hart can't even keep a straight face when the Fox crew shows him the highlights of the "foul." Credit to Hart for being an honest guy.
You don't call that foul. Fuck the refs for giving that to Nova. Such a bullshit ticky tack foul when PC is getting hammered all game they can't blow the whistle. Should be in OT right now.
Aside from rebounding and shooting percentage, this was about as evenly matched as two teams can get. Take a look at this:
Points: PC 61, Nova 63
Shooting: PC 21-60 (35.0%), Nova 22-52 (42.3%)
Free throws: PC 12/17, Nova 12/17 (both 70.6%)
Rebounds: PC 42, Nova 30 (PC had 19-9 edge on offense, which led to the extra shots)
Assists: PC 12, Nova 13
Steals: PC 5, Nova 5
Blocks: PC 3, Nova 6
Turnovers: PC 11, Nova 10
Fouls: PC 17, Nova 17
Damn, I really wish they pulled this out. Almost nothing better in sports than a conference finals in college basketball.
Points: PC 61, Nova 63
Shooting: PC 21-60 (35.0%), Nova 22-52 (42.3%)
Free throws: PC 12/17, Nova 12/17 (both 70.6%)
Rebounds: PC 42, Nova 30 (PC had 19-9 edge on offense, which led to the extra shots)
Assists: PC 12, Nova 13
Steals: PC 5, Nova 5
Blocks: PC 3, Nova 6
Turnovers: PC 11, Nova 10
Fouls: PC 17, Nova 17
Damn, I really wish they pulled this out. Almost nothing better in sports than a conference finals in college basketball.
Would have loved to see this game decided in OT. The refs robbed both teams and the fans of that. Beyond disappointing.
I think a six seed was theirs to lose and this performance will make sure they don't. Outside shot at a five seed (especially if the Hoyas lose), but it seems like in everyone's mock bracket the Friars are a six.PC Drunken Friar said:
I'd guess zero chance at 5, most likely a 7 with a 6 or 8 not shocking. Really want to get away from that 8/9 game and a 6 could give us a good matchup vs the 11 then (hopefully) the 3.PC Drunken Friar said:
Was at the game tonight and I can't say enough about this team's toughness. There were about 5 or 6 times where Nova looked like they were ready to blow it open but PC would not allow it. That foul call was so awful even the many Nova fans around me admitted it was crap. I feel this game actually will be a springboard for this team. I think a 6 is a lock with the outside possibilty of a 5. Either way, I expect them to compete for a spot in the sweet 16. There really isn't enough that can be said for the job Cooley has done here in just 4 years.
I think we match up well with the short, shallow Flyers. I expect us to dominate the boards. Don't care if this game is played in Ohio.
Watching the game last night I thought there was no way either team could hang with PC. Dayton plays 6 guys with no height and Boise State starts a fat kid at center.
With that said it probably means we're in for a barn burner to end the 18 year NCAA win drought.
With that said it probably means we're in for a barn burner to end the 18 year NCAA win drought.
Start time bumped back for the second time now set for 10:45pm EST.
This is a great matchup for Henton. He struggles with the longer athletic types which Dayton doesn't have. Look for him to have a big game tonight. I'm more worried about the freshmen stepping up. Can't wait! GO FRIARS!!
This is a great matchup for Henton. He struggles with the longer athletic types which Dayton doesn't have. Look for him to have a big game tonight. I'm more worried about the freshmen stepping up. Can't wait! GO FRIARS!!