The Game Ball Thread: Wk 7 vs Jets

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RedOctober3829 said:
The ultimate goal would have to probably go through (Cant believe im saying this) CIN and possibly GB. Can this secondary hold up against those skill players? That's the standard I'm judging against not the Jets with Fitzpatrick.
I hear ya. Teams with offensive firepower like Green Bay and Cincy are scary matchups. But not just for the Pats, but for the entire league. I think in this current era of pro football that the mind set needs to be not shutting down but just slowing down a passing attack. The field is so tilted for the offense that even a middle of the road QB with some halfway decent WRs is more often then not going to put up surprisingly big numbers, even against good defenses. Basically I'm saving that outside of a few elite guys. The shut down secondary may not be a thing anymore.
 

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It's not a thing any more. See the Super Bowl where Brady laid 28 on the legion of boom. That's about the best you can do vs an elite offense / QB
 

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I think the ball hit the ground, as well. I think a couple of us did mention it in the game thread, but luckily Bowles let it go. It was a pretty inexplicable day with the drops. I did think a number of LaFell's drops were poor throws from Brady. Either that or their timing was just off a bit. That Edelman drop was the biggest of all.
The timing to the Dobson catch happening really early in the 3rd q was key to it not being challenged. Bowles had already used 1 challenge in 1st half and maybe he was leery of burning a possible last challenge that he might need later. Especially when it wasn't obvious live or revealed during a quick replay with the right angle, and especially when you never know when the random foot mark of a ref will later spot the ball 0.5 - 1.0 yards away from the proper spot (as happens like 60% of the time) and have such an occurrence happen when it'll screw a team over on a line to gain.
 

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Love the accountability from Jojo. He'll get better with more reps.
All things considered he looked better today than, say, early last season when it looked like he wasn't even reading the same playbook as Brady. He got open all day, just couldn't finish the job.
 

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RedOctober3829 said:
The ultimate goal would have to probably go through (Cant believe im saying this) CIN and possibly GB. Can this secondary hold up against those skill players? That's the standard I'm judging against not the Jets with Fitzpatrick.
Can their defenses stop Brady and Gronk?
 
This team will have a hiccup or two along the way, but I don't think we've seen the best of it. Ultimately the Pats D is pretty good, and I'm not sure how any team stops the Pats offense. Maybe a healthy Seattle D can, but even then their offense is awful. This Pats O is going to score 500 points with room to spare. How many teams can run with them offensively?
 

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Penthouse:
Brady - Think he accounted for all but 1 of the Pats yards
Amendola - the go to guy down the stretch when someone had to step up 
Gronk - quietly had a very solid day, dragged some dbs for sport
Nink - batted a bunch of passes
Hightower - big in the running game, especially early, was missed last week
Gostkowski - Mr. Automatic
 
Doghouse:
Brandon LaFell - Brady didn't dog him for the drops and kept going to him and he kept dropping it. In fact, if you gave him a game ball, he'd drop it
 

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@RyanHannable Jets' Willie Colon: "I'm pissed off. Felt like we were the better team."
 
No, Willie, no.
 
 
 
Jesus, the media sucks.
 
The next line of this quote was  "But obviously we weren't."
 

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Jesus, the media sucks.
 
The next line of this quote was  "But obviously we weren't."
I used to watch Mangini's midweek press conferences and then I saw what the press wrote and that was it for me and paying attention to the media
 

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Jesus, the media sucks.
 
The next line of this quote was  "But obviously we weren't."
And they did pretty much the same thing to Richardson earlier in the week. GJGE media! I like this jets team, as much as a Pats fan can. If they can maintain, it should be a couple years of great games between them.
 

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“What’s his name, Edelman-dela?” said Bailey, combining Edelman and similarly built Danny Amendola together. “He just stemmed his route good. I hadn’t really studied him in particular that much and he just stemmed it. I thought he gave me a corner stem and then he crossed my face. He fooled me with the stem, got me going the other way.”
Ignoring the stupid joke I found this to be a pretty major admission from Bailey. Didn't bother to study the Pats #1 receiver? Oops.
 

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sachmoney said:
Penthouse:
Brady - Think he accounted for all but 1 of the Pats yards
Amendola - the go to guy down the stretch when someone had to step up 
Gronk - quietly had a very solid day, dragged some dbs for sport
Nink - batted a bunch of passes
Hightower - big in the running game, especially early, was missed last week
Gostkowski - Mr. Automatic
 
Doghouse:
Brandon LaFell - Brady didn't dog him for the drops and kept going to him and he kept dropping it. In fact, if you gave him a game ball, he'd drop it
 
Love the Penthouse/Doghouse pair. Last line was also sharp. Post more, please.
 

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Rewatching the game, I'm convinced most NFL wins & losses come down to red zone execution. 
 
Besides the two drops on either side (Marshall, Edelman), Chung's first quarter stop on an would-be TD to Cumberland was absolutely huge. Would have put up Jets 7-3, instead of just 3-3. 
 

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Per Doug Kyed's stat tracking: http://nesn.com/2015/10/patriots-advanced-stats-donta-hightower-receiver-drops-stand-out/
 



 
I wasn't even sure he was going to play. They have to extend both HT & Collins. One of the reasons why losing Revis was an unavoidable evil.
Agreed. Hightower was a force out there. Bubba Smith Police Academy level force. What an absolute joy it has been watching him go from nearly a draft bust to a nightmare for offenses to scheme against.
 

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Agreed. Hightower was a force out there. Bubba Smith Police Academy level force. What an absolute joy it has been watching him go from nearly a draft bust to a nightmare for offenses to scheme against.
But... But... Mel Kiper gives his draft grades the hour after the draft ends. What do you mean it can take years to determine if a player will pan out!?
 

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But... But... Mel Kiper gives his draft grades the hour after the draft ends. What do you mean it can take years to determine if a player will pan out!?
He needs to get the database admin credentials from Chad Ford so he go back and change some grades.
 

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Another entry in the unthinkable Tom Brady highlight reel, which will probably take up a box set. Just a fantastic win against a tough Division opponent when a lot was going wrong and the team wasn't executing, the kind of game that gives a team confidence later in the season when they're trailing -- in a Divisional Round game or even the Super Bowl.

Up:

- TB12/McDaniels -- Glad Bedard broke down that 3rd and 17 play, because it's one of the plays of the year, and the Peter Kings of the world are all too prone to say something banal like "Patriots, 6-0, Ho hum," as if that is easier for them because they were good 15 years ago or 5 years ago or even last year. It ain't, and saying it is disregards the week-to-week brilliance on display.

- Amendoler -- Giggity.

- Hightower -- He was a force in a game where we needed him to be.

HM: Jackson and Andrews. These kids can PLAY.

Down:

- Butler -- Bad matchups for him, but as a #1 CB you need to figure out how to compete in bad matchups.

- Logan Ryan -- Ditto. He and DMC did not play that Marshall end zone drop well.

- Patricia -- Honestly, tough to put him here because they won 1st and 2nd down all day. But the lost 3rd and long so often that I have to imagine part of it was scheme.

DM: LaFell. :-(
 

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Nothing really new to add, but I really liked the play design on the Gronk TD late in the game.  It looked like a TE screen, but worked flawlessly.  I love taking advantage of an aggressive pass rush like that.
 
Also, that Amendola catch was ridiculous.  It happened right in front of me and I almost couldn't believe it.  It reminded me of the Coco catch vs the Mets.  A play that I though had no chance of being made, but there it was.
 

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Last season, the Jets gained over 200 yards on the ground against New England, good for over 5 yards per carry.  On Sunday, Jets RB's averaged less than 3 yards per carry.  Marshall's 4 catches was a season low, and his 67 yards receiving was his lowest since the opening game.  And the Jets were held to 23 points, with the last 3 coming on a desperation play assisted by a scheme aimed to prevent a quick TD.  Fitzpatrick was sacked for the 3rd and 4th time this season. So the defense did something right.  Patricia's squad doesn't get an A, but they did earn at least a B-.  
 
The secondary wasn't great.  But they made some nice plays when the Jets got the ball back middle of the 4th quarter to force a key punt.  Sometimes it is a matter of making plays when you need to make them.  
 
If there is one area that needs work, it's the onsides kick recovery team.  The Pats were gifted one by the officials against the Colts at a key juncture of the game, and I have no idea why the Pats could not recover the Jets kick. 
 
There were a couple of officiating gaffes that almost mattered.  The DPI call on Butler after he was pushed aside by Decker in the 4th quarter was lame, and there is no way that Marshall was not in bounds when he was tackled on the final Jets FG drive.  The penalty on the Jets final drive had nothing to do with Marshall not being set; he jumped across the line a couple of seconds before the snap.  Didn't matter that he got set again before the snap.  
 
There was one offensive series where I didn't quite understand the play call.  On their final drive, the Pats snapped the ball with 2:17 left.  The play clock appeared to have about 10 or 12 seconds left.  I was surprised Brady didn't let the clock tick down further, as the 2 quick incompletions forced the Pats to call 3 plays before the 2 minute warning.  Fortunately, the 3rd play resulted in an Amendola first down, which pretty much iced the game for NE. 
 
I'll give the game balls to the same cast of players already noted:  Amendola, Edelman for running that smart route on the huge 3rd-and-17 (a true game changing play), Hightower/Collins, the patchwork OL.  I'll also add that the blitz pickups by the RB's were also helpful in buying Brady just enough time to unload the ball.
 
Finally, if someone has an argument as to why Brady is not the best QB in the league right now, I'm all ears (or eyes).  Any stat that attempts to claim otherwise is probably not worth the bits and bytes used in its calculation. 
 

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lexrageorge said:
 And the Jets were held to 23 points, with the last 3 coming on a desperation play... So the defense did something right.  Patricia's squad doesn't get an A, but they did earn at least a B-.  
  
Fair, but Brandon Marshall also dropped what should have been a TD that would have made it 24-16.

You know who deserved a Down: that officiating crew.

From blowing a hilariously obvious Decker pick play (actually, a full on block while the ball was in the air) to blowing ball spots multiple times, including that clown show mix up right before half time (3rd down... No 1st... Oh Jets challenge... 3rd down), that crew looked overwhelmed and amateurish for stretches.
 

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Ryan Allen had a great game and has shown real growth this year. Only 3 punts on the day, but landed them on the 11, 8, and 17-yard lines. His distance control is much-improved over last season, and he is becoming a real weapon in the kicking game. Still could use a little more consistency in terms of directional control, but has made the jump into the top third of punters this year. Big leg, appears to be figuring out the field position game, and has rid himself of the shanks he had at times early last season.
 

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Malcolm Brown led the DTs in snaps and the Pats obviously bottled up the run. That has to be seen as a good sign. 30+ snaps vs. 10 for Siliga.
 

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Something I find interesting: While watching the Do your Job special, there was mention that the double pass was called for the Chiefs game but was called off by Amendola based on the defensive alignment. Since then I have had an eye on Amendola and his role on offense. It seems that his role is much more in depth than just a pass catcher and rather a control point such as motion control and springing other players loose on their routes. Brady had alluded to this in past comments.
 
I would like to see a reported dig into this aspect of Amendola's role and the Pats game plan. 
 

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But... But... Mel Kiper gives his draft grades the hour after the draft ends. What do you mean it can take years to determine if a player will pan out!?
 

 
Nothing special in terms of value. I bet there's about 30 other teams who would love that value in the late 20's. 
 
Tavon Wilson @ 48, not as much.
 

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Brady wasn't razor sharp, but he was very good.  11 dropped passes by the Patriots, including what would have been a TD by Edelman.  Brady's numbers would have been off the charts had they caught those 11 balls.  
 
Amendola was outstanding all game long.  A couple of spectacular catches in huge spots.
 
Gronk was a beast, as usual.  Stayed in a lot to block, even.
 
Hightower and Collins were studs on defense.  Branch was solid too.
 
On the flip side, obviously LaFell was awful.  And the defense let NY convert way too many third downs.
 

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Gronk and Brady split the game ball here.  Another thing that can't be mentioned enough is how good a blocked Gronk is.  Brady had him motion in and pass block so many times in the second half when NY was showing pressure.  From what I saw, he was awesome in pass protection when called upon.  Obviously Brady is out of this world at making sure the protection is where it needs to be, but Gronk and the RBs (White and Blount, I think) all did a great job assisting in pass protection.
 
On top of this, Gronk caught 11 balls and dragged Jets defenders all over the field as they tried to tackle him.  The man is the best there is.
 

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Gronk and Brady split the game ball here.  Another thing that can't be mentioned enough is how good a blocked Gronk is.  Brady had him motion in and pass block so many times in the second half when NY was showing pressure. 
And that seemed to set up the final TD quite well. He stayed in to block like he had many times all game but then had the quick release for the easy TD. Great scheming by McD
 

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Fair, but Brandon Marshall also dropped what should have been a TD that would have made it 24-16.

You know who deserved a Down: that officiating crew.

From blowing a hilariously obvious Decker pick play (actually, a full on block while the ball was in the air) to blowing ball spots multiple times, including that clown show mix up right before half time (3rd down... No 1st... Oh Jets challenge... 3rd down), that crew looked overwhelmed and amateurish for stretches.
The refs had a tough game no doubt with the two early spots being obvious issues but that pick play was perfectly legal as it took place within 1 yard of the LoS. The Jets did this on two separate plays and the Pats did it once as well. 
 

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I'll break ranks here and give LaFell the mulligan.  He's had the benefit of all of 3 practices since February, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was still getting his timing down.  
 

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Timing is an issue with route-running, not with catching passes that hit him right in the hands.  
 

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Last season, the Jets gained over 200 yards on the ground against New England, good for over 5 yards per carry.  On Sunday, Jets RB's averaged less than 3 yards per carry.  Marshall's 4 catches was a season low, and his 67 yards receiving was his lowest since the opening game.  And the Jets were held to 23 points, with the last 3 coming on a desperation play assisted by a scheme aimed to prevent a quick TD.  Fitzpatrick was sacked for the 3rd and 4th time this season. So the defense did something right.  Patricia's squad doesn't get an A, but they did earn at least a B-.  
 
The secondary wasn't great.  But they made some nice plays when the Jets got the ball back middle of the 4th quarter to force a key punt.  Sometimes it is a matter of making plays when you need to make them.  
 
If there is one area that needs work, it's the onsides kick recovery team.  The Pats were gifted one by the officials against the Colts at a key juncture of the game, and I have no idea why the Pats could not recover the Jets kick. 
 
There were a couple of officiating gaffes that almost mattered.  The DPI call on Butler after he was pushed aside by Decker in the 4th quarter was lame, and there is no way that Marshall was not in bounds when he was tackled on the final Jets FG drive.  The penalty on the Jets final drive had nothing to do with Marshall not being set; he jumped across the line a couple of seconds before the snap.  Didn't matter that he got set again before the snap.  
 
There was one offensive series where I didn't quite understand the play call.  On their final drive, the Pats snapped the ball with 2:17 left.  The play clock appeared to have about 10 or 12 seconds left.  I was surprised Brady didn't let the clock tick down further, as the 2 quick incompletions forced the Pats to call 3 plays before the 2 minute warning.  Fortunately, the 3rd play resulted in an Amendola first down, which pretty much iced the game for NE. 
 
I'll give the game balls to the same cast of players already noted:  Amendola, Edelman for running that smart route on the huge 3rd-and-17 (a true game changing play), Hightower/Collins, the patchwork OL.  I'll also add that the blitz pickups by the RB's were also helpful in buying Brady just enough time to unload the ball.
 
Finally, if someone has an argument as to why Brady is not the best QB in the league right now, I'm all ears (or eyes).  Any stat that attempts to claim otherwise is probably not worth the bits and bytes used in its calculation. 
 
I'm glad you mentioned them stopping the clock when Marshall was tackled in the 2-minute drill.  Clearly tackled in bounds.  Not really that close, actually, as far as I could tell.  
 
I didn't get the Marshall penalty at the end of the game.  I thought he was across and standing still when the ball got snapped.  I didn't see anything wrong there.
 

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Timing is an issue with route-running, not with catching passes that hit him right in the hands.  
Have you played in the NFL before? 
 
Timing matters when it comes to knowing when the ball is actually going to be in your hands, when to turn to run after the catch, etc.  The practice reps matter, and LaFell's had precious few.
 

I didn't get the Marshall penalty at the end of the game.  I thought he was across and standing still when the ball got snapped.  I didn't see anything wrong there.
 
On the replay, it appeared that Marshall jumped across the line of scrimmage just prior to the snap, then came back and got set.  That's still illegal procedure.  From a pure football entertainment standpoint, however, it would have been fun to see one more desperation snap.  
 

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The refs had a tough game no doubt with the two early spots being obvious issues but that pick play was perfectly legal as it took place within 1 yard of the LoS. The Jets did this on two separate plays and the Pats did it once as well. 
I could be wrong and haven't seen a replay -- are you certain that wasn't further than 1 yard from the LOS? Decker looked to be 2-3 yards downfield.
 

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lexrageorge said:
I'll break ranks here and give LaFell the mulligan.  He's had the benefit of all of 3 practices since February, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was still getting his timing down.  
He had issues like this in Carolina, where things snowballed in game, but Im inclined to pretty much throw this game out as well.  I think Mike Reiss wrote that BB said on the pregame show that LaFell wasn't game ready yet, but he was out there for a strong majority of snaps.  Maybe they should have kept Martin active and played him over LaFell.  Definitely an F level performance, but for now it means about zero for LaFell's role in the offense.
 

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Sure, but he hasn't seen game speed in a while. Not really concerned unless it becomes a pattern. Probably not the best time for a short week though.
 
And Brady throws to the open guy, the fact that he had 6 drops at least means he was getting open.
 

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I could be wrong and haven't seen a replay -- are you certain that wasn't further than 1 yard from the LOS? Decker looked to be 2-3 yards downfield.
 
 
Screen cap on last page...is this the play you are referring to?
 
 

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Have you played in the NFL before? 
 
Timing matters when it comes to knowing when the ball is actually going to be in your hands, when to turn to run after the catch, etc.  The practice reps matter, and LaFell's had precious few.
 
I'm a four time pro bowler, actually.  ;-)
 
it didn't appear that the problem was LaFell not knowing when the ball would be there.  It was that the ball hit him right in the hands and....he just didn't hang on.  
 
I think he'll be fine, and think this was just one awful game, but yes, I think it was just an awful game for him.
 

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He had issues like this in Carolina, where things snowballed in game, but Im inclined to pretty much throw this game out as well.  I think Mike Reiss wrote that BB said on the pregame show that LaFell wasn't game ready yet, but he was out there for a strong majority of snaps.  Maybe they should have kept Martin active and played him over LaFell.  Definitely an F level performance, but for now it means about zero for LaFell's role in the offense.
He also had issues at the start of last season.  Seems it's a pattern with him. 
 

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Timing is an issue with route-running, not with catching passes that hit him right in the hands.  
There was at least one play where Lafell's poor timing was evident. He was about 15 yards down field and on the left of Brady when the ball came his way, a little high. He jumped so early he had landed before the ball arrived and the DB was able to reach up and make the play. I dont have a clip or screenshot of it.
 

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lexrageorge said:
Last season, the Jets gained over 200 yards on the ground against New England, good for over 5 yards per carry.  On Sunday, Jets RB's averaged less than 3 yards per carry.  Marshall's 4 catches was a season low, and his 67 yards receiving was his lowest since the opening game.  And the Jets were held to 23 points, with the last 3 coming on a desperation play assisted by a scheme aimed to prevent a quick TD.  Fitzpatrick was sacked for the 3rd and 4th time this season. So the defense did something right.  Patricia's squad doesn't get an A, but they did earn at least a B-.  
 
The secondary wasn't great.  But they made some nice plays when the Jets got the ball back middle of the 4th quarter to force a key punt.  Sometimes it is a matter of making plays when you need to make them.  
 
If there is one area that needs work, it's the onsides kick recovery team.  The Pats were gifted one by the officials against the Colts at a key juncture of the game, and I have no idea why the Pats could not recover the Jets kick. 
 
There were a couple of officiating gaffes that almost mattered.  The DPI call on Butler after he was pushed aside by Decker in the 4th quarter was lame, and there is no way that Marshall was not in bounds when he was tackled on the final Jets FG drive.  The penalty on the Jets final drive had nothing to do with Marshall not being set; he jumped across the line a couple of seconds before the snap.  Didn't matter that he got set again before the snap.  
 
There was one offensive series where I didn't quite understand the play call.  On their final drive, the Pats snapped the ball with 2:17 left.  The play clock appeared to have about 10 or 12 seconds left.  I was surprised Brady didn't let the clock tick down further, as the 2 quick incompletions forced the Pats to call 3 plays before the 2 minute warning.  Fortunately, the 3rd play resulted in an Amendola first down, which pretty much iced the game for NE. 
 
I'll give the game balls to the same cast of players already noted:  Amendola, Edelman for running that smart route on the huge 3rd-and-17 (a true game changing play), Hightower/Collins, the patchwork OL.  I'll also add that the blitz pickups by the RB's were also helpful in buying Brady just enough time to unload the ball.
 
Finally, if someone has an argument as to why Brady is not the best QB in the league right now, I'm all ears (or eyes).  Any stat that attempts to claim otherwise is probably not worth the bits and bytes used in its calculation. 
 
 
The clock stopped with the Mangold injury, not because the ref ruled Marshall got out of bounds. Jets lost a timeout too.
 

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The clock stopped with the Mangold injury, not because the ref ruled Marshall got out of bounds. Jets lost a timeout too.
The official nearest the play ruled Marshall being out of bounds and stopped the clock.  Had Mangold not been hurt, the Jets would have had a free clock stoppage.  The Mangold injury made the call moot. 
 

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Nothing really new to add, but I really liked the play design on the Gronk TD late in the game.  It looked like a TE screen, but worked flawlessly.  I love taking advantage of an aggressive pass rush like that.
 
 
 
 
Brady had hit Gronk earlier on a semi-desperate rollout to the right with Gronk leaking out for the reception. I expected we'd see it again, and there it was for the final TD.
 

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lexrageorge said:
The official nearest the play ruled Marshall being out of bounds and stopped the clock.  Had Mangold not been hurt, the Jets would have had a free clock stoppage.  The Mangold injury made the call moot. 
 
 
Not true, I went back and watched.  That official ruled the clock stopped based on the official closest to Mangold signaling for an injury stoppage. 
 
Edit: At least, that is what is looked like to me.
 

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Brady was on D&C and talked about those passes this morning. The first one was a complete adlib with Brady calling out to Gronk to go out. The second one was an adjustment made in game to take advantage of the guy who had Gronk man to man rushing when Gronk stayed in.
One interesting thing from the game is that Gronk stayed in to block seemingly quite a bit more than normal and was very effective and yet he still caught 11 passes for over 100 yards.