The Game Goat Thread: AFCCG @ Broncos
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I dunno. The O-line performance in the game that shall not be mentioned was probably the worst. And I think that the loss of Solder early this season had more of an impact than people seem to think.
I don't mind going for it on the fourth down, but man, that play call was doo doo. It just wasn't a competitive playcall. Miserable design to leave Ware unblocked.
True enough. I guess my theory on it is that you would need to score again no matter what to win. If the ideal happened, and you get your eight there, you still need to get a FG somewhere in that mix in order to win the football game. I guess the big gamble is if you would get a better opportunity, which is where I suspect parties disagree.
Couldn't agree more. The Patriots have really struggled drafting WRs so spending a little extra for someone that could turn into a star is worth it. LaFell has been pretty much what we knew we were getting: decent speed, poor hands.
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Mike, what's his signature moment? missing a kick! You can get a great kicker anywhere!! I don't get what's happening in Foxboro anymore Mike!!!
Offensive line. Just never had a chance on many 3 and 4 man rushes. Got Brady to have happy feet and it was all down hill from there.
Denver D just out played them.
Denver D just out played them.
Gronk on the podium. In softest-spoken Gronk voice ever.
Give credit to Denver. Got great players. Made more plays than us. But we have to do a better job.
I was cramping. I was disappointed in myself. I didn't know why I was cramping because I prepared like every other game.
Trainers did a great job. Felt really full at some point.
Just don't want that to happen as an athlete. Make sure it doesn't happen again. It was freaky, didn't happen all year.
Always frustrating when in the red zone and not capitalize. Just need to make more plays.
It's football, they have a good defense. They just made more plays.
I was lined up more inside and they jammed me more. You have to just deal with it. Its' football.
I'm proud of this team. Have to give a lot of credit to them.
Everyone battled. Proud to be part of the season. Just came down to the 2-pt conversion.
On that, I was just thinking get the motherf--ing open.
Ghost shouldn't be blamed -- it's a team game. Win as a team, lose as a team.
Gronk be Gronk, even at his most somber moments.
Give credit to Denver. Got great players. Made more plays than us. But we have to do a better job.
I was cramping. I was disappointed in myself. I didn't know why I was cramping because I prepared like every other game.
Trainers did a great job. Felt really full at some point.
Just don't want that to happen as an athlete. Make sure it doesn't happen again. It was freaky, didn't happen all year.
Always frustrating when in the red zone and not capitalize. Just need to make more plays.
It's football, they have a good defense. They just made more plays.
I was lined up more inside and they jammed me more. You have to just deal with it. Its' football.
I'm proud of this team. Have to give a lot of credit to them.
Everyone battled. Proud to be part of the season. Just came down to the 2-pt conversion.
On that, I was just thinking get the motherf--ing open.
Ghost shouldn't be blamed -- it's a team game. Win as a team, lose as a team.
Gronk be Gronk, even at his most somber moments.
Seriously? Twelve teams this season missed three or more extra points. Jacksonville missed 7. It sucks that Gostkowski had his miss in the worst possible game, but he's been a stud all year. I can't count how many times in game threads we've seen the post "thank god for Ghost" this year.
My goat goes to McDaniels. There are certainly others, but there was no creativity once the offensive game plan broke down. There was no hurry up offense at any time in the game, a Pats staple that would've potentially helped neutralize the pass rush. There weren't nearly enough screens to mimic the running game, which wasn't a viable option. White against LBs is a good matchup, but instead of having him work the middle of the field where he showed he could catch it, Josh insisted on keeping running him down the lines. Not to mention that the 4th down call was egregiously bad and slow-developing.
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Goat is the OL and Play calling. Fleming comes in as extra lineman and immediately gives up sack to Miller. i liked going for it on first 4th down but on 4th and 1 that was just a terrible call.
On a flat rate, it's the OL. By a mile
But based on previous performance, Ghost, BB and Brady
Pretty much everyone except Gronk and 2nd half D though
But based on previous performance, Ghost, BB and Brady
Pretty much everyone except Gronk and 2nd half D though
This is where I'm at.
I want to be clear that nothing about today's outcome reduces my enjoyment of Superbowl XLIX one iota. But: had Cliff Avril not been knocked out of the game, allowing us to double-team Michael Bennett, would we be talking about eight straight years of playoff exits with a common theme of sub-par pass protection?
The O-line was just stunningly awful. The Denver pass rush was annihilating them so quickly that Brady was under pressure almost immediately. They just withered play after play. This made Brady jumpy even on the occasional play when the pressure was less intense. Brady made some bad and costly throws, and overall wasn't that sharp today, but the fault for that falls mostly on the line.
Hate to put anything on Ghost, but that miss was huge.
Hate to put anything on Ghost, but that miss was huge.
That game was horrid but I don't recall Brady getting hit 23 times in it.
I thought that on a couple but on dvr they looked like they were legit, problem was the quicksand our ol was forced to play in all day.
Line was getting abused so bad at one point I was watching the rush develop to see if designed QB draws would work. That's right, I was looking for Josh to call a Tom Brady run up the middle because it looked like it had potential to be our most effective play. Really need to give Denver credit. They exposed our weaknesses. Our line sucks, our wideouts don't run verticle routes, and when you get pressure with 3-4 and clamp down on the short routes, we're fucked. On top of that, they did a good job of rushing the throwing lanes and Tom either had no one open or no clear path to throw.
The only thing on the coaching staff I wanted was a few designed 'roll the pocket' passing plays, a reverse to Jules or some things to put pressure on Denver side to side. I also thought Gronk should have run that Edleman SB route late in the game when he was iso'd left.
Sorry if this is just a general dump.
Goats - OLine, Ghost
The only thing on the coaching staff I wanted was a few designed 'roll the pocket' passing plays, a reverse to Jules or some things to put pressure on Denver side to side. I also thought Gronk should have run that Edleman SB route late in the game when he was iso'd left.
Sorry if this is just a general dump.
Goats - OLine, Ghost
Maybe I'll do some work in the off season on trying to put a cap dollars value to it, but my hypothesis to test is that kicking is so good across the board that the incremental difference is not worth the dollars spent, and even the great kickers are closer to the middle than it seems. That the variability just isn't like QBs. My point is not to pin this loss on the kicker. He isn't my goat. It was just one point in a 60 minute game.
I know they played well, but I can't get over the D giving up 20 to the Peyton-led Denver while completely shutting down the run. I know there was a terribly short field on one of the TD drives, but to give up two TD passes to ovethehill Peyton is just.... IDK.
1) O Line, in particular Cannon= Max Lane. Vollmer playing on the left for the first time seemed like a really bad idea today. No real choice but he was awful.
2) Ghost missing the Xp, I hate to kill the guy bc he is the best but coming up small or smallish in big moments is something we do not do in years we advance past the AFCCG. Today we did in numerous instances.
3) If he was not hit 23 fricking times I would say Brady was not sharp, but he is lucky he did not get murdered today so happy feet and missed throws were understandable.
4) Amendola bobbling and dropping the 3rd and 6 on on the 2nd failed 4th down drive. See #2, Amendola came up so big in last year's playoffs, much less this year.
2) Ghost missing the Xp, I hate to kill the guy bc he is the best but coming up small or smallish in big moments is something we do not do in years we advance past the AFCCG. Today we did in numerous instances.
3) If he was not hit 23 fricking times I would say Brady was not sharp, but he is lucky he did not get murdered today so happy feet and missed throws were understandable.
4) Amendola bobbling and dropping the 3rd and 6 on on the 2nd failed 4th down drive. See #2, Amendola came up so big in last year's playoffs, much less this year.
The D played great, short field was a big reason they even gave up 20. Bad play on the first Denver TD as they forgot to cover Daniels, but after that I thought they played great. Killer was the long run on 3rd and 1 that allowed Denver to get their final FG, a stop there changes the game.
I legitimately question the legitimacy of NFL refereeing after games like that. I don't know how any non-biased observer thinks that game is called evenly.
Whatever.
Goat is McDaniels -- the game plan sucked for almost all of it. Brady's reluctance to hit the open receiver early didn't help.
Whatever.
Goat is McDaniels -- the game plan sucked for almost all of it. Brady's reluctance to hit the open receiver early didn't help.
Peyton Manning did so well, he threw TWICE as many TD's in ONE GAME than he did all season. He's trending upwards like CRAZY.
I'm surprised it took so long for someone to mention Amendola. It's the fourth quarter of a conference championship game. Hang onto the damn ball.
4th down decision either way was marginal enough that I can't see worrying about it much. Clear go for it down 7 down 8 its super close
Thought the Pats got a fair shake and don't think injuries are an excuse, their players were healthy. Just got outplayed, tip you cap
Thought the Pats got a fair shake and don't think injuries are an excuse, their players were healthy. Just got outplayed, tip you cap
Regardless of how over the hill Peyton is, he's still Peyton Manning.
They had, what? 15 yards to go on one of those defensive stands. It's a miracle they pitched a near shutout in the second half with how the offense played for 3/4ths of the game.
Collins came up huge in the second half. The rest of the D played well enough. Substitute that short field for average starting position and the D probably gives up 17 points tonight. That should have been more than enough.
Complaining about refs is pointless. If it was crooked then there's nothing you can do about it. If it wasn't, then you're complaining about nothing.
There were calls here and there I hated, but the Broncos beat the Patriots. The Patriots beat the Patriots. The refs didn't beat the Patriots.
There were calls here and there I hated, but the Broncos beat the Patriots. The Patriots beat the Patriots. The refs didn't beat the Patriots.
Eh, I thought the game was called very evenly. None of the phantom hold calls or block-in-the-back penalties that we see all the time these days. There were a couple that could have been called DPI, but they were 50/50 calls at best. Overall I was pleasantly surprised by Hochuli's crew tonight.
Obviously the o-line. They just got beat soundly on every play. Really wish Brady had changed up the snap count or something, they had it timed perfectly. Terrible that we have no first round draft pick to get some talent in there.
Not going to say Edelman is a goat, because I think he was/is hurt, but he was an invisible non-factor all day. And you see how that works out for us. LaFell is a waste on offense these days. Ryan Allen really punted like ass today. And if one more person mentions not getting home field/losing in Miami, I'll throw my computer out the window. We get it. The end.
Not going to say Edelman is a goat, because I think he was/is hurt, but he was an invisible non-factor all day. And you see how that works out for us. LaFell is a waste on offense these days. Ryan Allen really punted like ass today. And if one more person mentions not getting home field/losing in Miami, I'll throw my computer out the window. We get it. The end.
Brady couldn't change the snap count because of the crowd noise, people. 108+ decibels in that place. Enough already.
He wouldn't have to change the snap count if Vollmer and Cannon had remembers what their fucking jobs consisted of.
He wouldn't have to change the snap count if Vollmer and Cannon had remembers what their fucking jobs consisted of.
It actually cost the team 2 points in the game, unless you think BB goes for 2 down 20-19.
What game plan would be effective with an O-line completely unable to protect? Officiating was pretty balanced today.
I am surprised that no one asked BB in his press conference why he broke from his tradition of winning the coin toss and deferring.
Agreed, you're not going to get a fairer shake in a NFL game than what the Pats got from the refs today.
The Pats got a call for unsportsmanlike conduct, for a player that ran out of bounds too long.
Stop complaining about the refs.
Stop complaining about the refs.
how is it possible 5 professional lineman can't cover 3 defensive lineman?
Do we have a RB who can block at all and help? We were all laughing at Mack getting 14 sacks a few weeks ago and saying BB would never let that happen! Yet it did today.
Do we have a RB who can block at all and help? We were all laughing at Mack getting 14 sacks a few weeks ago and saying BB would never let that happen! Yet it did today.
Stop blaming the refs you idiots. Denver's DLine kicked the Patriots ass today and it was the difference in the game.
Obviously it is the O line. Brady's throw to Von Miller was a special kind of terrible, too. I have absolutely no idea what that was about. Overall, though, the OL was consistently terrible all game. Worst performance I ever remember from that unit with Brady at the helm, including that other one.
I want to blame LaFell, but it's obvious he is hurt. Brady has been hinting at it all year on WEEI. I think he may have been Yao Ming'd. Either way, need an upgrade there for sure.
I want to blame LaFell, but it's obvious he is hurt. Brady has been hinting at it all year on WEEI. I think he may have been Yao Ming'd. Either way, need an upgrade there for sure.
I guess I should have said the Patriots benefitted from said call... My overall point is that the game was ref'ed incredibly well. Especially considering all the conspiracy theories that were flying around this neighborhood a few days ago.i