The Game Goat Thread: Wk.7 vs 49ers

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This team is void of talent outside of their offensive line and secondary; as far as the latter, Gilmore and McCourty looked totally disinterested to me today, Jones took a horrible route on one of the 49ers rushing TD's as well.

Their defensive line is getting shoved around, their linebackers can't cover anyone; how many wide open running backs are there going to be coming out of the backfield turning simple dump off passes into huge chunk plays. Not that it impacted the final outcome, but Bentley whiffing on that 3rd down tackle that led to the first San Francisco TD set the tone for the rest of the day. You HAVE to make that tackle in that spot.

Their WR's and TE's are hot garbage, their running backs are so so.

They just don't have a lot of talent to compete at a high level week in and week out.

I have no clue what the offensive game plan was last week or this week either, none.

It was an incredible 20 year run, what they did from 2001 through 2019 will probably never be matched in this league again; last year they finished 12-4 and people viewed it as a down year.

Considering I've been a fan since 1968 and in that time watched some pretty horrible teams (2-14 and 1-15 among others), I'm realistic and I go with what my eyes tell me.

They are just not a very good team.
Co-signed. I've only been watching since 1980 though.

It's amazing how fast they went from convincing me Cam had something left and they could be a factor heading into the playoffs, to...hmm, maybe we could lose out and rebuild around Lawrence.

Sadly, the real 2020 Patriots are probably right in the middle, around 6-10, worst of both worlds.
 
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Co-signed. I've only been watching since 1980 though.

It's amazing how fast they went from convincing me Cam had something left and they could be a factor heading into the playoffs, to...hmm, maybe we could lose out and rebuild around Lawrence.

Sadly, the real 2020 Patriots are probably right in the middle, around 6-10, worst of both worlds.
If they are bad, I wouldn’t sweat say, the 10th pick instead of the 5th. There are at least three clearly worse teams who would take Lawrence anyway. That’s still in range to get a front 7 beast with speed or some other best-at-their-position player.
 

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Co-signed. I've only been watching since 1980 though.

It's amazing how fast they went from convincing me Cam had something left and they could be a factor heading into the playoffs, to...hmm, maybe we could lose out and rebuild around Lawrence.

Sadly, the real 2020 Patriots are probably right in the middle, around 6-10, worst of both worlds.
Not going to lie; I thought they could go 12-4 this year, win the division and make some noise in the playoffs, nothing I saw in the first four games changed my mind, they were a yard away from a win in Seattle, then COVID hit the team, defensively they held the Chiefs offense in check for the most part, but that Denver game was a tire fire, today was worse.

Not sure what is going on with Cam; he looks terrible, bad throws, bad reads, bad decisions, it's like he's regressing in this offense.

Now; I'm with you, 6-10, 7-9 is more realistic.

I thought Cam would be the guy here for several years, I can't see that happening now.

Not sure what they do, they have a lot of holes to fill in on this current roster.
 

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Newton looks to me like a guy who had shoulder surgery, never got back his natural throwing motion, and is going to be inconstent from an accuracy standpoint moving forward. The type of surgery he had {(superior labrum) can help with pain but frequently comes at the cost of some motion. For an overhead athlete like Newton, losing even a few degrees of external rotation (the cock-back part of the throw) can be all it takes.

Maybe at this point D coordinators realize that the combination of his physical limitations combined with the poop sandwich that is the WR/TE group means that they don’t really have to respect the pass as much, so that makes his running prowess less effective.’

Yeah, I went there. Poop sandwich.
He looks like he’s putting so much effort into getting some zip on his throws. I mean, I’m not an expert on quarterback mechanics by any means, but his head is at times pointing down and not looking at his target when he’s releasing the ball because he’s whipping his whole upper body into the throw.
 

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Winovich may have been benched due to his PF penalty.
That's definitely possible. If that's the case, I just think that's dumb. This is a grown man making his own decisions and yes he gave Jimmy G a little shove. I just think you should make him pay in practice if it really bothered you, not hurt the team in a fairly critical game.*

*Caveat being that I'm an estimator for a construction company, not the greatest football coach in the history of the game.
 

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I expected the occasional garbage game by the offense, even with all hands theoretically "on deck" (Cam's throws early on makes me wonder if he's physically right at the moment, but we knew this was a risk with that signing to begin with), but it's the total team failure to perform that depressed me about this game. Awful tackling by the defense, really poor decisions (the Winovich penalty was a huge impact to field position for a barely professional offense to try to make up for, I'm 100% with BB on chewing his ass out for that decision), and on top of that the offense managed to get healthier and somehow look worse against an injury-depleted SF defense.

They aren't as bad as they looked yesterday, but that doesn't mean that this team is actually any good, either.
 

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At some point, you really have to wonder if BB is that great of a talent evaluator (or if he was and he isn't anymore). Of course there are bright spots on the team (Winovich), but in general you sort of get the feeling that the team is just not that talented and the number of busted picks just seems to be piling up. There was an unintentional comedy moment during the game where the flashed up a graphic that said "Harry HEAD Questionable".
 

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That's definitely possible. If that's the case, I just think that's dumb. This is a grown man making his own decisions and yes he gave Jimmy G a little shove. I just think you should make him pay in practice if it really bothered you, not hurt the team in a fairly critical game.*

*Caveat being that I'm an estimator for a construction company, not the greatest football coach in the history of the game.
It looked like Winovich may have jawed at BB after BB called him out on it. BB may have been sending a message.
 

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At some point, you really have to wonder if BB is that great of a talent evaluator (or if he was and he isn't anymore). Of course there are bright spots on the team (Winovich), but in general you sort of get the feeling that the team is just not that talented and the number of busted picks just seems to be piling up. There was an unintentional comedy moment during the game where the flashed up a graphic that said "Harry HEAD Questionable".
Don't forget...as they were building their team for this year, they didn't count on Covid-19 robbing them of so many key guys. On defense, they lost two key starters in Hightower and Chung. On offense, they lost Cannon, their starting right tackle. Now I like Onwenu, but Cannon is a starter. Even losing Lacosse probably actually has hurt them, and even losing Bolden off special teams due to the covid-19 exempt list probably has hurt. That all happened after they basically finished building the roster.

Then they lost one game this year by a yard (on the road, at the NFC's best team). They lost another game when Cam was out and they were forced to travel just hours before the game to KC (defending SB champs), and had to play frigging' Brian Hoyer (though they *could* have played Stidham the whole game; that choice was BB's) at QB, and the Pats actually hung in there real tough. Then they lost another game after basically not having practiced for two straight weeks and having half their OL out for the game.

I mean, these are not easy circumstances, and it's hard to know if this team isn't "talented". I think they lack talent at WR. I think they have tons of talent at OL and DB. I think their DL is meh, and their LBs are meh (but with some hope in Jennings and Uche). Their RBs are solid, not spectacular. QB is a hot mess right now. TE is invisible, but I still have hope that Asiasi and Keene will become good players.
 

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I'm pretty sure Wino didn't play all that much against the Broncos either, so whatever the issue is it isn't the PF penalty he had yesterday.
 

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That's weird because he had been grading out as one of the best edge defenders against both the run and pass all season long to that point. So...what in the world is going on?
 

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That's weird because he had been grading out as one of the best edge defenders against both the run and pass all season long to that point. So...what in the world is going on?
Sort of like not starting JC Jackson...just contrarian stuff that doesn't work when your roster is so depleted
 

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Bill. His complete and indefensible failure to address WR in the off season -- GM malpractice -- makes winning impossible, no matter who the QB is. Bill will be the game GOAT in every loss of 2020 and all wins will be in spite of his terrible decision making around this issue.

Cam was obviously putrid too but even Brady could not win with this group of skill players (essentially the same one, I mean).
 

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That's weird because he had been grading out as one of the best edge defenders against both the run and pass all season long to that point. So...what in the world is going on?
The one thing grading systems don't always capture is whether a player is doing what they were assigned to do. From what we've seen over the years, Belichick is big on "doing your job", and he doesn't typically make exceptions for players that grade high on PFF's rating system. I don't know if that's the real reason here, but it would be consistent with the way Belichick has always done things since his time with the Browns. I don't expect that to change just because the team is struggling, or a 3rd party grading system likes the player, or if the forum thinks he deserves more playing time.
 

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Bill. His complete and indefensible failure to address WR in the off season -- GM malpractice -- makes winning impossible, no matter who the QB is. Bill will be the game GOAT in every loss of 2020 and all wins will be in spite of his terrible decision making around this issue.

Cam was obviously putrid too but even Brady could not win with this group of skill players (essentially the same one, I mean).
For the 2nd week in a row, Cam missed multiple open looks with the receivers. And he drafted two tight ends, but one of them got hurt. WR is not a strength, but Cam can't miss wide open looks either.
 

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That's weird because he had been grading out as one of the best edge defenders against both the run and pass all season long to that point. So...what in the world is going on?
Not sure about Denver, but maybe it was game plan yesterday? Maybe Bill/Defensive coaches don't think he's the best at setting he edge. Obviously San Fran runs a ton to the edges so maybe they thought they had a better option for that role?
 

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For the 2nd week in a row, Cam missed multiple open looks with the receivers. And he drafted two tight ends, but one of them got hurt. WR is not a strength, but Cam can't miss wide open looks either.
That's true. But there are still very few open WRs on many plays. QBs are gonna miss at times. Tom did too. Cam is making it even harder but the fact that WR is as weak as it is makes winning very difficult.
 

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It's hard to see during the broadcast but in the post-game Zolak was pretty pissed at Cam and claimed there were guys open all game long and he was slow going through his reads and couldn't get them the ball. I guess we'll see once people get a chance to go through the film. There was a lot wrong with the product on the field yesterday including a putrid performance by the defense which obviously had nothing to do with Cam. But I don't think they are beating many teams, even if the defense fixes its issues, with QB play like we saw yesterday. It's a QB league, this year more than ever, and we don't have one.

Edit: Here is Matt Chatham who I like a lot in terms of his analysis:

View: https://twitter.com/chatham58/status/1320702732018372609?s=20


I’m halfway back thru this, but before I go further, just like to say I’m not doing another “weaponz aren’t open” or “lack of talent” breakdown rebuttal. This was poor QB play. Visible from the [sum emoji] If u *still* wanna soapbox about WRs, have at it...ur unreachable. And dead wrong.
 

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For the 2nd week in a row, Cam missed multiple open looks with the receivers. And he drafted two tight ends, but one of them got hurt. WR is not a strength, but Cam can't miss wide open looks either.
Maybe "wait, who?" works when filling in role players around the GOAT, but needs a whole new perspective when starting a new foundation. Quirky can be excused and covered before.


With the caveat that we know only 25% of what really happens, would the board choose Bill or generic GM behind door #2 to make picks going forward (assuming away the ego issues if you still want him coaching)?
2015
  • ROUND 1, PICK 32 (32): MALCOM BROWN, DT | TEXAS. ...
  • ROUND 2, PICK 32 (64): JORDAN RICHARDS, DB | STANFORD. ...
  • ROUND 3, PICK 33 (97): GENEO GRISSOM, DL | OKLAHOMA. ...
  • ROUND 4, PICK 2 (101): TREY FLOWERS, DE | ARKANSAS. ...
  • ROUND 4, PICK 12 (111): TRE' JACKSON, G | FLORIDA STATE. ...
  • ROUND 4, PICK 32 (131): SHAQ MASON, OL | GEORGIA TECH.

2016
  • Cyrus Jones, CB, Alabama (Round 2, Pick 60)
  • Joe Thuney, G, North Carolina State (Round 3, Pick 78)
  • Jacoby Brissett, QB, North Carolina State (Round 3, Pick 91)
  • Vincent Valentine, DL, Nebraska (Round 3, Pick 96)
  • Malcolm Mitchell, WR, Georgia (Round 4, Pick 112)
  • Kamu Grugier-Hill, LB, Eastern Illinois (Round 6, Pick 208)
2017
  • 3-83 DE Derek Rivers.
  • 3-85 OT Antonio Garcia.
  • 4-131 DE Deatrich Wise Jr.
  • 6-211 OT Conor McDermott.

2018
  • Isaiah Wynn, OL, Georgia (Round 1, Pick No. ...
  • Sony Michel, RB, Georgia (Round 1, Pick No. ...
  • Duke Dawson, CB, Florida (Round 2, Pick No. ...
  • Ja'Whaun Bentley, LB, Purdue (Round 5, Pick No. ...
  • Christian Sam, LB, Arizona State (Round 6, Pick No. ...
  • Braxton Berrios, WR, Miami (Round 6, Pick No. ...
  • Danny Etling, QB, LSU (Round 7, Pick No.
2019

Round 1, Pick 32: N’Keal Harry, Arizona State
Round 2, Pick 45: Joejuan Williams, Vanderbilt
Round 3, Pick 77: Chase Winovich, Michigan
Round 3, Pick 87: Damien Harris, Alabama
Round 3, Pick 101: Yodny Cajuste, West Virginia
Round 4, Pick 118: Hjalte Froholdt, Arkansas
Round 4, Pick 133: Jarrett Stidham, Auburn
Round 5, Pick 159: Byron Cowart, Maryland
Round 5, Pick 163: Jake Bailey, Stanford
Round 7, Pick 252: Ken Webster, Mississippi

2020
Round 2 • Pick 5 (37) • DB Kyle Dugger
Round 2 • Pick 28 (60) • LB Josh Uche
Round 3 • Pick 23 (87) • LB Anfernee Jennings
Round 3 • Pick 27 (91) • TE Devin Asiasi
Round 3 • Pick 37 (101) • TE Dalton Keene
Round 5 • Pick 14 (159) • K Justin Rohrwasser
Round 6 • Pick 3 (182) • OL Mike Onwenu
Round 6 • Pick 16 (195) • OL Justin Herron
Round 6 • Pick 25 (204) • LB Cassh Maluia
Round 7 • Pick 16 (230) • OL Dustin Woodard
 
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He looks like he’s putting so much effort into getting some zip on his throws. I mean, I’m not an expert on quarterback mechanics by any means, but his head is at times pointing down and not looking at his target when he’s releasing the ball because he’s whipping his whole upper body into the throw.
I saw the same thing and wondered if he has a sore shoulder. He got plenty of distance on the overthrown INT, but zip and accuracy are way off.
 

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Maybe "wait, who?" works when filling in role players around the GOAT, but needs a whole new perspective when starting a new foundation. Quirky can be excused and covered before.


With the caveat that we know only 25% of what really happens, would the board choose Bill or generic GM behind door #2 to make picks going forward (assuming away the ego issues if you still want him coaching)?
2015
Maybe let someone else handle rounds 1-2 or all receivers. Bill is one of the best in the mid-late rounds and undrafted.
 

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That's true. But there are still very few open WRs on many plays. QBs are gonna miss at times. Tom did too. Cam is making it even harder but the fact that WR is as weak as it is makes winning very difficult.
You can't get more open than some of these looks have been the last three games with Cam. You can find breakdowns online - guys are open, he's not seeing them and he's missing them.
 

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Maybe "wait, who?" works when filling in role players around the GOAT, but needs a whole new perspective when starting a new foundation. Quirky can be excused and covered before.


With the caveat that we know only 25% of what really happens, would the board choose Bill or generic GM behind door #2 to make picks going forward (assuming away the ego issues if you still want him coaching)?
It's clear the team has issues. Here are some issues other Super Bowl winning teams have had:

Steelers: In the 12 years since their last Super Bowl victory, missed the playoffs 5 times
Colts: Missed playoffs 4 of the last 5 seasons
Giants: Did win one more, but missed playoffs 7 of 8 seasons since. And don't appear to be returning anytime soon.
Saints: Had a stretch where they missed playoffs 4 times in 5 seasons.
Packers: One of the more successful ones, but missed playoffs 2 of the past 3 seasons.
Ravens: Missed the playoffs entirely 4 of the 5 seasons following their title.
Seahawks: Haven't gone past the Divisional Round since Malcolm Butler
Broncos: Haven't sniffed the playoffs in the 4 seasons since their win. Also are not close.
Eagles: Two 9-7 seasons since the Nick Foles miracle. Not expecting that to change.

We've been lucky here that the home team hasn't had such miserable stretches. But even the better run teams go through them. I'm sticking with GM Belichick. And the bolded has an absurd premise.
 

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We've been lucky here that the home team hasn't had such miserable stretches. But even the better run teams go through them. I'm sticking with GM Belichick. And the bolded has an absurd premise.
Agree wholly that the stretch is beyond abnormal, so expecting a quick rebound is not reasonable. But to dig further in history, isn't the other lesson that in order to eventually rebound, new blood is needed? Dallas post-Landry/Shram, Pittsburgh post-Noel, Miami post-Shula, SF (depending on if you consider Montana/Young to be same streak) post-Walsh.
 

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The under 35 crowd is really in for a rude awakening here.

There were many times as a Pats fan that we'd have been encouraged that we already have two wins by Halloween.
 

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Agree wholly that the stretch is beyond abnormal, so expecting a quick rebound is not reasonable. But to dig further in history, isn't the other lesson that in order to eventually rebound, new blood is needed? Dallas post-Landry/Shram, Pittsburgh post-Noel, Miami post-Shula, SF (depending on if you consider Montana/Young to be same streak) post-Walsh.
I haven't seen anything in Belichick's coaching that says the team needs new blood. But I guess YMMV.
 

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The under 35 crowd is really in for a rude awakening here.

There were many times as a Pats fan that we'd have been encouraged that we already have two wins by Halloween.
I do think the season ticket waiting list will quickly become a thing of the past. Have to imagine lots held on for the Brady era and are ready to move on. Not to mention it's going to become harder to move unwanted tickets.
 

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I do think the season ticket waiting list will quickly become a thing of the past. Have to imagine lots held on for the Brady era and are ready to move on. Not to mention it's going to become harder to move unwanted tickets.
Going to be similar to what happened with Fenway post sellout streak. Gillette will still sell out because it's football and I expect the Pats will remain competitive. But we'll see more and more empty seats (if people are ever allowed back in the stadium).
 

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Newton looks to me like a guy who had shoulder surgery, never got back his natural throwing motion, and is going to be inconstent from an accuracy standpoint moving forward. The type of surgery he had {(superior labrum) can help with pain but frequently comes at the cost of some motion. For an overhead athlete like Newton, losing even a few degrees of external rotation (the cock-back part of the throw) can be all it takes.

Maybe at this point D coordinators realize that the combination of his physical limitations combined with the poop sandwich that is the WR/TE group means that they don’t really have to respect the pass as much, so that makes his running prowess less effective.’

Yeah, I went there. Poop sandwich.
This is my read as well; he looks like his shoulder is fucked up and he doesn’t really know his release point well so he’s going to miss high and low consistently.
 

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Reiss thinks the low snap count may be in part due to an early gaffe where Winovich wasn't on the field when he was supposed to be. They played a snap with only 10 men on the field. Next play, same personnel grouping by San Fran, Winovich was on the field.

Man, what a shit show.
IIRC, he made a god awful play on one of SF's early outside runs(may have been a swing pass). He took a terrible angle and got caught in no-man's land and the result was a nice play for SF.
 

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At some point, you really have to wonder if BB is that great of a talent evaluator (or if he was and he isn't anymore). Of course there are bright spots on the team (Winovich), but in general you sort of get the feeling that the team is just not that talented and the number of busted picks just seems to be piling up. There was an unintentional comedy moment during the game where the flashed up a graphic that said "Harry HEAD Questionable".
With all the resources that all 32 teams pour into draft prep, and how readily they steal one another’s best ideas, I’m convinced it’s not possible to enjoy a sustained advantage in the draft. Even seeming exceptions, such as the Steelers’ knack for finding good receivers, don’t seem to happen more than you’d expect by chance.

BB has had streaks where he drafted exceptionally well; of late, he has done less well. Random variance is an unsatisfying explanation, but I do think that’s all it is.
 

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This is my read as well; he looks like his shoulder is fucked up and he doesn’t really know his release point well so he’s going to miss high and low consistently.
The 1st half play where he rifled the ball into the ground on a short pass, like 3rd and 5, was especially jarring for me. That was an automatic pitch and catch play and he just completely botched it. He may not be “hurt” but he’s certainly f’d up from a mechanics standpoint.
 

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The AFC is such a gauntlet this year that this seems as good as any year for the Patriots to stink. Whatever team comes out of the AFC this year is really going to have earned its place in the Super Bowl.
 

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The 1st half play where he rifled the ball into the ground on a short pass, like 3rd and 5, was especially jarring for me. That was an automatic pitch and catch play and he just completely botched it. He may not be “hurt” but he’s certainly f’d up from a mechanics standpoint.
He's thrown ground balls 5+ yards short of receivers at least three times the last few weeks.

The more bizarre thing is that he won't throw the ball to the right side of the field. At all.

edit: Just found this from a summary of his first game last year for CAR. Maybe this is directly related to whatever his physical issue is:

Of his 12 incomplete passes, two were because of the defense (one because of the pass rush and the other was deflected). The other 10 incompletes were inaccurate — four were overthrown, three were thrown behind, two were under thrown and one was too high.

Considering that Newton didn’t feel healthy enough to run, it’s fair to wonder how much that foot injury impacted his throwing motion. Of his 38 passes, only two traveled over 20 yards. Both deep passes fell incomplete.

Apparently, throwing to the right side of the field was especially difficult. He completed just 47% of his throws (9-for-19 for 103 yards) when he threw that way. By comparison, he was 12-for-12 for 123 yards when throwing to the left side of the field and 4-for-6 for 17 yards when throwing to the middle.
 

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Even more from the full 2019 season...I guess this a known issue with Cam.

LEFT:
Attempts: 33
On-Target: 84.8%
Completion: 75.8%
Yards/Attempt: 8.7
EPA: 10.2 (0.31 per attempt)
Success rate: 66.7%
RIGHT:
Attempts: 44
On-Target: 54.5%
Completion: 45.5%
Yards/Attempt: 5.9
EPA: -8.4 (-0.19 per attempt)
Success rate: 36.4%
 

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He's thrown ground balls 5+ yards short of receivers at least three times the last few weeks.
After watching a bunch of tape (mostly broadcast), I think it's mechanical streakiness more than anything. Cam's accuracy was fine in the early part of Denver, then got out of sync on the past couple drives. Against SF, it was the opposite story: some brutal throws in the first half, then he mostly settled down and his accuracy was fine after halftime. The final Jules INT looked like a miscommunication rather than an off-target throw.

His decision-making looks like a bigger problem. Slow to pull the trigger, not seeing the field, not going through his progression, looking for big plays instead of taking what's there, etc.

The more bizarre thing is that he won't throw the ball to the right side of the field. At all.

edit: Just found this from a summary of his first game last year for CAR. Maybe this is directly related to whatever his physical issue is:

Of his 12 incomplete passes, two were because of the defense (one because of the pass rush and the other was deflected). The other 10 incompletes were inaccurate — four were overthrown, three were thrown behind, two were under thrown and one was too high.

Considering that Newton didn’t feel healthy enough to run, it’s fair to wonder how much that foot injury impacted his throwing motion. Of his 38 passes, only two traveled over 20 yards. Both deep passes fell incomplete.

Apparently, throwing to the right side of the field was especially difficult. He completed just 47% of his throws (9-for-19 for 103 yards) when he threw that way. By comparison, he was 12-for-12 for 123 yards when throwing to the left side of the field and 4-for-6 for 17 yards when throwing to the middle.
FWIW Cam threw to the right the first three games ... it's just an issue the last two.
 

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With all the resources that all 32 teams pour into draft prep, and how readily they steal one another’s best ideas, I’m convinced it’s not possible to enjoy a sustained advantage in the draft. Even seeming exceptions, such as the Steelers’ knack for finding good receivers, don’t seem to happen more than you’d expect by chance.

BB has had streaks where he drafted exceptionally well; of late, he has done less well. Random variance is an unsatisfying explanation, but I do think that’s all it is.
I think my beef with the draft is targeting all those second-round DBs.
This team is void of talent outside of their offensive line and secondary; as far as the latter, Gilmore and McCourty looked totally disinterested to me today, Jones took a horrible route on one of the 49ers rushing TD's as well.

Their defensive line is getting shoved around, their linebackers can't cover anyone; how many wide open running backs are there going to be coming out of the backfield turning simple dump off passes into huge chunk plays. Not that it impacted the final outcome, but Bentley whiffing on that 3rd down tackle that led to the first San Francisco TD set the tone for the rest of the day. You HAVE to make that tackle in that spot.

Their WR's and TE's are hot garbage, their running backs are so so.

They just don't have a lot of talent to compete at a high level week in and week out.

I have no clue what the offensive game plan was last week or this week either, none.

It was an incredible 20 year run, what they did from 2001 through 2019 will probably never be matched in this league again; last year they finished 12-4 and people viewed it as a down year.

Considering I've been a fan since 1968 and in that time watched some pretty horrible teams (2-14 and 1-15 among others), I'm realistic and I go with what my eyes tell me.

They are just not a very good team.
I think what is most disappointing is they just aren't athletic at DE, LB, TE, WR, and RB. There is nobody in the front seven that demands a double team or to be game-planned around. There is no WR that is a threat to take it to the house. I love the Duggar pick, he is fast and physical and it shows when he plays. They need a lot more of those guys.
 

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Something looks weird about Cam when he throws, in my very, very humble opinion. It almost looks like he's straining to put every bit of his body into it, and then the ball still looks a little slow. The Patriots obviously have much better eyes on this so either it's my imagination, or they still think Cam is better than Stidham. If it's the latter, it's quite a mystery how they had planned to go into the season with Stidham as the starter.
 

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I think my beef with the draft is targeting all those second-round DBs.

I think what is most disappointing is they just aren't athletic at DE, LB, TE, WR, and RB. There is nobody in the front seven that demands a double team or to be game-planned around. There is no WR that is a threat to take it to the house. I love the Duggar pick, he is fast and physical and it shows when he plays. They need a lot more of those guys.
Byrd is fast. The young TEs look pretty fast. Harris is athletic and obviously White at RB.

The offensive skill position guys are totally wasted with this QB situation, I don't put much of this on them at the moment.

Now LB...sure, that's where we have no athletes. But I think Dugger is meant to be part of the answer there.