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The Pats' pre-Parcells and Kraft years are portrayed as unending woe not because of their overall record but so many signature moments of incompetence and idiocy, or just plain bad luck.
 
Plunkett under achieving in NE before shining in LA.
Pretty much everything related to Schaefer Stadium
General idiocy by the Sullivans
Fairbanks taking the Col job on the eve of the playoffs
Rampant drunkenness at MNF leading to a long long gap between games.
The guy getting electrocuted carrying the goal posts
The Bears Super Bowl which at the time was the biggest blow out ever
Cocaine revelations after the Bears Super Bowl
"Patriot Missiles"
 
I'm sure I missed some.
 
There are probably NFL teams with worse overall records during these years without all the drama that the NE media is overly fixated on.
 

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I do agree that what color's the perception of New England pre-Parcells is that whenever they had winning seasons, there was always some sort of "but..." associated with it.  
 
1976:  Ben Dreith derails what was  NE's most talented team ever to that point in time.  That team is probably up there in the Top 10, possibly Top 5, of all Pats teams, IMHO.  
 
1978: Fairbanks fiasco.  
 
Then begins the typical slide into mediocrity, which results in a disastrous 2-14 season just one year after missing the playoffs by 1 game.  
 
The ride back up is a bit bumpy, with the Ron Myer/Rod Rust fiasco one year, but the result is the rebuilt Patriots making the SB by finally squishing the fish under Raymond Berry.  Not only the Pats have the misfortune of facing one of the NFL's all time best teams in the Super Bowl, they themselves are one of the statistically worst teams to have made the SB by that point.  The blowout loss is followed by back-biting and the drug scandal, and the predictable slide into mediocrity and worse begins.  
 
The Patriots teams from 1989 through 1992 were terrible; the 1990 team was one of the worst in league history.  The first round draft picks during that period brought the Patriots Hart Lee Dykes, Chris Singleton, Ray Agnew, Pat Harlow, Leonard Russell, and my all time favorite, Eugene Chung.  Fans, who were always lukewarm towards attending games at the dump known as Shaeffer Stadium, were staying away.  The most memorable televised home game was in 1990  against the Giants, when New York fans stacked the stadium to see their team struggle against the 1-14 Patriots.  Add in the ownership situation, and the openly stated desire of the league to abandon New England altogether for a domed stadium in warmer climes, the future of the franchise looked bleak.  
 
I agree that Parcells had little to do with fixing most of those problems.  But he did draft well, and the team did improve, and there was at least an air of respectability about the team.  Some of that was Orthwein, who, while obviously looking to sell/move the team, at least attempted to run the place like a NFL franchise instead of the clown circus it had become under the Sullivans and later Kiam.  But, yes, Parcells did not save the day.  But I do recall feeling a lot better after the Patriots flushed out the amateurs and hired Parcells; and then feeling even better when he drafted Bledsoe instead of Chung'ing the pick the way the local mediots wanted him to.  
 
I do think the team's success under Kraft/Belichick/Brady, and the contributions of Parcells draftees such as Vinatieri, Ty Law, Tedy Bruschi and Willie McGinest in those Pats Super Bowl wins have contributed to fans forgetting some of the dark side of Parcells' tenure here.  As for Carroll, he was in the no win situation to begin with, and the team slid to mediocrity thanks to some very bad drafts, and Carroll became the whipping boy for the team's overall lack of discipline (I still remember Chris Canty forgetting to pick up a loose ball because he was dancing after making a routine tackle in a blowout loss to Tampa).  Some of that is on Carroll, but some of that was out of his control.  No matter; all of the above stated problems have been long solved. 
 

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loshjott said:
The Pats' pre-Parcells and Kraft years are portrayed as unending woe not because of their overall record but so many signature moments of incompetence and idiocy, or just plain bad luck.
 
Plunkett under achieving in NE before shining in LA.
Pretty much everything related to Schaefer Stadium
General idiocy by the Sullivans
Fairbanks taking the Col job on the eve of the playoffs
Rampant drunkenness at MNF leading to a long long gap between games.
The guy getting electrocuted carrying the goal posts
The Bears Super Bowl which at the time was the biggest blow out ever
Cocaine revelations after the Bears Super Bowl
"Patriot Missiles"
 
I'm sure I missed some.
 
There are probably NFL teams with worse overall records during these years without all the drama that the NE media is overly fixated on.
The radio-controlled model airplane killing that guy

And

My personal favorite: putting the big red PATRIOTS lettering BEHIND the end zone, not in it. Who the fuck does that? Never seen it anywhere else. Looked monumentally stupid.
 
loshjott said:
The Pats' pre-Parcells and Kraft years are portrayed as unending woe not because of their overall record but so many signature moments of incompetence and idiocy, or just plain bad luck.
 
Plunkett under achieving in NE before shining in LA.
Pretty much everything related to Schaefer Stadium
General idiocy by the Sullivans
Fairbanks taking the Col job on the eve of the playoffs
Rampant drunkenness at MNF leading to a long long gap between games.
The guy getting electrocuted carrying the goal posts
The Bears Super Bowl which at the time was the biggest blow out ever
Cocaine revelations after the Bears Super Bowl
"Patriot Missiles"
 
I'm sure I missed some.
 
There are probably NFL teams with worse overall records during these years without all the drama that the NE media is overly fixated on.
 
My personal favorite is the Dennis Byrd injury/draft choice (no, not that Dennis Byrd).  The Pats No. 6 Overall Pick in the 1968 draft was standout defensive end who was later inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame.  When NE called his home to tell him he was just drafted, his mother answered the phone and replied, "No, he's not here.  He's having surgery on his knee."  He tore his knee up badly at the end of the NC State season and the Patriots were unaware it was a severe injury and would need surgery.  He played 14 games over two season and retired.  
 

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loshjott said:
The Pats' pre-Parcells and Kraft years are portrayed as unending woe not because of their overall record but so many signature moments of incompetence and idiocy, or just plain bad luck.
 
Plunkett under achieving in NE before shining in LA.
Pretty much everything related to Schaefer Stadium
General idiocy by the Sullivans
Fairbanks taking the Col job on the eve of the playoffs
Rampant drunkenness at MNF leading to a long long gap between games.
The guy getting electrocuted carrying the goal posts
The Bears Super Bowl which at the time was the biggest blow out ever
Cocaine revelations after the Bears Super Bowl
"Patriot Missiles"
 
I'm sure I missed some.
 
There are probably NFL teams with worse overall records during these years without all the drama that the NE media is overly fixated on.
How about GM Pat "Thanks Dad" Sullivan getting bloodied by Raiders lB Matt Millen aftrr the Divisional win in the 1985 playoffs?
 

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I'm pretty sure the satisfaction gained from whatever he said to those assholes was worth the punch.

Edit:The Super Bowl sucked, but destroying the Jets/Raiders/Dolphins in their houses en route was pretty damn sweet.
 

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Somewhere on the interwebs there is a long, fantastic thread from an old version of SoSH that details story after story of the bizarre history of the Pats.

Like when Irving Fryar was injured during the 1st half of a game in Foxboro... Left the stadium at halftime... And promptly got into a car accident on Route 1.
 

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The radio-controlled model airplane killing that guy

And

My personal favorite: putting the big red PATRIOTS lettering BEHIND the end zone, not in it. Who the fuck does that? Never seen it anywhere else. Looked monumentally stupid.
To be fair, the Patriots were blameless on that one;  the incident happened at Shea Stadium during the halftime of the Jets-Patriots game.  
 
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/lawnmower.asp
 
Similar to this incident is the infamous Monday Night Football game with the Patriots playing Miami in the Orange Bowl, where it was announced by Howard Cosell that John Lennon had been shot to death. Immediately after the announcement, John Smith missed the winning field goal, sending the game into OT.  While the game had become a footnote that evening, Miami ultimately won, essentially knocking the Pats out of the playoffs that year.  That reasonably talented Pats team led the AFC both in points and in point differential that season.  They managed to follow that up with a 2-14 record the following year. 
 
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How about GM Pat "Thanks Dad" Sullivan getting bloodied by Raiders lB Matt Millen aftrr the Divisional win in the 1985 playoffs?
 
Wait, the same Matt Millen as that idiot who ran the Detroit Lions for a long time?  And then was banished to television where it was discovered he actually could hardly string three words together?  That guy?
 
...wow, Wikipedia says yes.  Crazy.
 

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The snowplow game was the opposite thing: a smart way to use the rules at the time to beat a more-talented opponent.
 

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Phil Plantier said:
The snowplow game was the opposite thing: a smart way to use the rules at the time to beat a more-talented opponent.
The move also irked Don Shula, so it was actually worth 2 wins. 
 

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How about GM Pat "Thanks Dad" Sullivan getting bloodied by Raiders lB Matt Millen aftrr the Divisional win in the 1985 playoffs?
Some added historical context for the young ones:

1. The Pats shockingly destroyed the Raiders in that playoff game. Flat out beat them up on LOS. Ran the ball down their throats.

Taking the shine off this, Patrick Sullivan spent the game on the sideline taunting Howie Long, which led to the picture. Classy. I guess they had not "been there before".

2. Same postseason Four-Finger Fryar gets stabbed by his pregnant wife. Sent home from Miami, where Pats squish the fish.

3. Pats get obliterated in the SB.

Pre Kraft and pre BB Pats in a nutshell: great promise marred by clown school, much of it coming from owners.
 

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The snowplow game was the opposite thing: a smart way to use the rules at the time to beat a more-talented opponent.
Yeah, but the punchline quote from that episode made it farcical.

As we all know well, snowplow operator Mark Henderson was on a work release program from prison. When interviewed later about the incident, he said, "What were they gonna do... throw me in jail?"

Additionally, the game is occasionally cited by older fans as supporting evidence in the Patriots-are-cheaters meme.

So whether technically within the rules or not, it should be included in the Patriot's pantheon of weirdness, buffoonery, and general wtf-ness.

Put me in the camp that thinks Parcells is an egotistic, overrated jerk who turned around a franchise that was adrift, but isn't nearly as great as he thinks he is.

Coach Bill >>> Parcells
 

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Bonger's notes brought up this video for me...well worth watching for nostalgia's sake (and for the love of NFL films); huge shoulder pads, and different QB rules altogether...makes one really appreciate what it was like in the 80s and 90s to play offense...
 

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Maybe the mods want to split out the Pats history stuff.  People like myself have kind of sent the original thread off course. 
 
Good call...done.
 

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Drafting Eugene Chung in 1992 with the 13th overall pick.
 
Drafting Kenneth Sims #1 overall in in 1982.  Christ.
 

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Don't forget the great Toilet Flush before the opening of Schaeffer Stadium. 
 
 
The first event held at the new Schaefer Stadium was a preseason game against the New York Giants on August 15, 1971. In a sign of things to come, in the days leading up to the game, there was great concern with the plumbing at the facility. To ensure the proper functioning of the plumbing, a "flush-off" was conducted, where every toilet in the stadium was flushed at the same time, to ensure that the plumbing could withstand the heaviest use.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_New_England_Patriots
 
Edit:  My dad took me to a few games at the old Stadium because I begged him to, but he hated it.  And in retrospect it makes so much sense.  The place was an absolute dump, and it was where, as a kid, I first realized what it looked like when people got really, really drunk.
 
Combine super drunk fans with those old-style aluminum bleachers (so you didn't actually have an assigned seat), and  you got super-drunk fans who refused to move over and make room.  It really was an awful place to take a kid.
 
Also witnessed more fights than I can remember there. 
 

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Don't forget the Jackson's Victory Tour that was bankrolled by, and subsequently bankrupted, the Sullivans.  And, to make things even more Patriot-like, the city of Foxboro denied the concert permit for dubious, possibly racist, reasons, so the tour never came to New England.
 
I mean, it takes a special kind of idiot to fund the most successful tour ever (to that point), starring the biggest pop star ever, and lose everything in the process.
 

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Bonger's notes brought up this video for me...well worth watching for nostalgia's sake (and for the love of NFL films); huge shoulder pads, and different QB rules altogether...makes one really appreciate what it was like in the 80s and 90s to play offense...
 
That is rich...Jon Bon Jovi, can't say he pretends to be a walking cliche, apparently he was one from the very beginning.
 
This whole thread is priceless -- the video clip of the fan coming onto the field to block the pass is incredible. The New York Times article is a great summary, otherwise I'd suggest a Football Central article so there'd be some net permanence.
 

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Clive Rush was electrocuted (and nearly killed) by his microphone at a team press conference.
 

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Irving Fryar stories would be a thread of their own. IIRC, he left Foxboro in the middle of a game and crashed his car into a tree.
 

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The Bears Super Bowl which at the time was the biggest blow out ever
 
I've enjoyed reading this thread, and I support the OP, but this claim doesn't really hold up when one considers the 1940 Championship Game: Bears 73, Redskins 0.
 

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Irving Fryar stories would be a thread of their own. IIRC, he left Foxboro in the middle of a game and crashed his car into a tree.
That same year there was another player who got injured in a single-car crash in the middle of the night.  He said he ran out of batteries for his remote and was going to CVS or something and was looking for something in his glove compartment and crashed.  Anyone else remember this or who it was?
 

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Fryar Denies He Was Stabbed, Will Play in Super Bowl
 
 
Irving Fryar, cleared to play in the Super Bowl, hopes his denial of a report that he was stabbed by his wife in a restaurant parking lot will end publicity about his finger injury.
 
After the wide receiver returned to practice yesterday, the New England Patriots issued a three-paragraph statement which said Fryar would have no further comment. But in the locker room after his light workout, he spoke with reporters for about 20 minutes.
 
And this part could fit right into the Goodell/Rice threads:
 
 
Fryar said that he and his wife of one year, Jacqueline, have had misunderstandings but that "I didn't beat her up and she didn't cut me."
 
The Boston Globe reported last Sunday that Fryar allegedly struck his wife several times, knocking her down once, in a South Shore parking lot the night of Jan. 7. She allegedly took a knife from her purse and Fryar tried to ward off her lunge with his right hand, the newspaper added.
 

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StupendousMan said:
 
I've enjoyed reading this thread, and I support the OP, but this claim doesn't really hold up when one considers the 1940 Championship Game: Bears 73, Redskins 0.
 
My mistake. Should have specified Super Bowl era.
 

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To make matters worse, they traded up for Chung.
Even worse: The 2nd Rounder they traded to get him turned into Darren Woodson.

Edit: I love reading about the early days if the franchise. Hard to imagine. Talked to an old-timer a few years ago who remembered the Patriots walking from the Charles Hotel to the Harvard Stadium for a game in their uniforms, their cleats clicking on the sidewalk past bewildered Harvard folks in bow ties and tweed jackets. Sounded hilarious.

Still, my memories of the team from the 1990s include plenty of fiascos (almost losing the team to Hartford, the Rod Rutledge/Ben Coates drag race on 95 that ended in a car wreck and them fleeing the scene, the Bledsoe/Lane stage dive at the Paradise, Coates in the middle of a joyous post game locker room petulantly demanding to be released because he hadn't caught a pass during a blowout of the Cardinals, etc.)

Ugh. I was a kid in junior high when the Pats lost to the Packers and Desmond Howard, but I remember being furious when a story the next day waxed poetic about how the Pats would always be the ugly AFL stepchild, and the Packers showed them what being a real NFL team was all about. Ugh.
 

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Ken "Game Day" Sims was a bust, but back then I recall football people around the NFL defended the pick given available knowledge in those days. 
 

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Don't forget the great Toilet Flush before the opening of Schaeffer Stadium. 
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_New_England_Patriots
 
Edit:  My dad took me to a few games at the old Stadium because I begged him to, but he hated it.  And in retrospect it makes so much sense.  The place was an absolute dump, and it was where, as a kid, I first realized what it looked like when people got really, really drunk.
 
Combine super drunk fans with those old-style aluminum bleachers (so you didn't actually have an assigned seat), and  you got super-drunk fans who refused to move over and make room.  It really was an awful place to take a kid.
 
Also witnessed more fights than I can remember there. 
My uncle was in the media and took me and my cousin to Schaefer back in 1973, when I was in third grade and my cousin was maybe in fifth. He left us in those bleachers alone while he watched from the press box.

I cannot imagine what that our moms knew what the plan was and allowed it. It would be a DCYS incident today.
 

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Still, my memories of the team from the 1990s include plenty of fiascos (almost losing the team to Hartford, the Rod Rutledge/Ben Coates drag race on 95 that ended in a car wreck and them fleeing the scene, the Bledsoe/Lane stage dive at the Paradise, Coates in the middle of a joyous post game locker room petulantly demanding to be released because he hadn't caught a pass during a blowout of the Cardinals, etc.)
 
 
I thought Simmons captured the haplessness of the 90s Pats well in his Sad Saga of a Loyal Pats Fan column with this line:
 
 I remember wincing in college whenever someone asked if I were a Patriots fan. Have you ever had that feeling, when you actually wanted to hide the fact that you rooted for a particular team?
 
 
I'm about the same age as Simmons and can remember this exact sensation: leaving the Boston area for college and having other students bring up the Pats with a mixture of delicacy and thinly-veiled delight, as though simply mentioning them was a kind of unfair low-blow. 
 

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They had the third pick in the 1990 draft. Needing defensive help, they traded out of the #3 spot with Seattle and got picks 7 and 10. Hall of Famer Cortez Kennedy went to Seattle with the 3rd pick, and they could have drafted Junior Seau with that pick as well. Instead they got Chris Singleton and Ray Agnew, neither of whom did much of anything in the NFL.
 

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They had the third pick in the 1990 draft. Needing defensive help, they traded out of the #3 spot with Seattle and got picks 7 and 10. Hall of Famer Cortez Kennedy went to Seattle with the 3rd pick, and they could have drafted Junior Seau with that pick as well. Instead they got Chris Singleton and Ray Agnew, neither of whom did much of anything in the NFL.
That draft was about as big of a bust as they could come up with.  Ray Agnew turned out to be the best of the lot; he was dependable and had a longer than average tenure at DT (11 seasons), and was a starter for the Rams Super Bowl team.  But the rest of their picks were complete washouts.  After the trade, players they passed on included Richmond Webb, who had 7 Pro Bowl appearances for the Dolphins; Anthony Smith and his 57 career sacks; and Emmitt Smith.  The best value from that draft for the Patriots was arguably Anthony Pleasant, who did contribute to the Pats 2 Super Bowl wins after Belichick signed him as a free agent.
 
The prior draft brought us Hart Lee Dykes and Michael Timpson (and, to be fair, Marv Cook and Maurice Hurst). 
 
The Pats also had the misfortune of going 1-15 in the season leading up to the 1991 draft, which was one of the weaker drafts in league history (at least in terms of 1st round talent).  The Pats traded their first round pick to Dallas and drafted some very ordinary JAG's in Leonard Russel and Pat Harlow.  Left behind were Russel Maryland (not worth the #1 pick overall); DB's Eric Turner and Todd Lyght (3 combined Pro Bowls); and WR Herman Moore.  Also bypassed where running back Ricky Watters and Brett Favre (although there were reasons both players slipped to the 2nd round).  The Pats ultimately salvaged this draft by (a) drafting Ben Coates in the 5th round; and (b) signing 2nd rounder Roman Phifer as a free agent.  
 
The Eugene Chung fiasco was hilarious; the Pats traded out of the 8th slot to pick up some lower round picks.  Then there is a run on offensive lineman:  Bob Whitfield, Ray Roberts, and Leon Searcy are all drafted, and all would become starters for their team for 7 or more years.  The Pats then panic, package up their lower round picks to trade back up solely to pick up Eugene Chung, whom everyone thought was a complete reach at that spot, leaving behind Chester McGlockten, who would have been worth trading up for.  The Pats found some value in the later rounds with Todd Collins, Kevin Turner, and Sam Gash, and the draft fiasco did thankfully lead to Sam Jankovich being fired after their resulting 2-14 season. 
 

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I thought Simmons captured the haplessness of the 90s Pats well in his Sad Saga of a Loyal Pats Fan column with this line:
 
 
I'm about the same age as Simmons and can remember this exact sensation: leaving the Boston area for college and having other students bring up the Pats with a mixture of delicacy and thinly-veiled delight, as though simply mentioning them was a kind of unfair low-blow. 
 
Simmons went to college in Worcester.  What does he know about it?
 

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Simmons went to college in Worcester.  What does he know about it?
The air's thin up there on Linden Lane.  It's like being in Tibet, dontcha know?
 

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Eddie Andelman and Will McDonough used to have many on air Pats bash sessions about all the old gaffes and oddities. I wish I could remember more but their favorite was introducing a new coach at a press conference but the microphone had an issue (maybe it was raining? or malfunctioning?) and the new coach was almost electrocuted to death.
 
Also, that awful 1989 pre-season where they lost all three of their best defensive players (Ronnie Lippett, Garin Veris and Andre Tippett) to injury and the season was lost before it ever started. And of course All Pro RB Robert Edwards essentially ending his career at a beach flag football game at the pro Bowl.
 

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Also, that awful 1989 pre-season where they lost all three of their best defensive players (Ronnie Lippett, Garin Veris and Andre Tippett) to injury and the season was lost before it ever started. And of course All Pro RB Robert Edwards essentially ending his career at a beach flag football game at the pro Bowl.
 
IIRC, they all got injured in the same game, the final one of the preseason.
 

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That draft was about as big of a bust as they could come up with.  Ray Agnew turned out to be the best of the lot; he was dependable and had a longer than average tenure at DT (11 seasons), and was a starter for the Rams Super Bowl team.  But the rest of their picks were complete washouts.  After the trade, players they passed on included Richmond Webb, who had 7 Pro Bowl appearances for the Dolphins; Anthony Smith and his 57 career sacks; and Emmitt Smith.  The best value from that draft for the Patriots was arguably Anthony Pleasant, who did contribute to the Pats 2 Super Bowl wins after Belichick signed him as a free agent.
 
The prior draft brought us Hart Lee Dykes and Michael Timpson (and, to be fair, Marv Cook and Maurice Hurst). 
 
The Pats also had the misfortune of going 1-15 in the season leading up to the 1991 draft, which was one of the weaker drafts in league history (at least in terms of 1st round talent).  The Pats traded their first round pick to Dallas and drafted some very ordinary JAG's in Leonard Russel and Pat Harlow.  Left behind were Russel Maryland (not worth the #1 pick overall); DB's Eric Turner and Todd Lyght (3 combined Pro Bowls); and WR Herman Moore.  Also bypassed where running back Ricky Watters and Brett Favre (although there were reasons both players slipped to the 2nd round).  The Pats ultimately salvaged this draft by (a) drafting Ben Coates in the 5th round; and (b) signing 2nd rounder Roman Phifer as a free agent.  
 
The Eugene Chung fiasco was hilarious; the Pats traded out of the 8th slot to pick up some lower round picks.  Then there is a run on offensive lineman:  Bob Whitfield, Ray Roberts, and Leon Searcy are all drafted, and all would become starters for their team for 7 or more years.  The Pats then panic, package up their lower round picks to trade back up solely to pick up Eugene Chung, whom everyone thought was a complete reach at that spot, leaving behind Chester McGlockten, who would have been worth trading up for.  The Pats found some value in the later rounds with Todd Collins, Kevin Turner, and Sam Gash, and the draft fiasco did thankfully lead to Sam Jankovich being fired after their resulting 2-14 season. 
 
There was an interesting sidenote to that 1991 draft.  The Pats traded the pick only after they were unable to come to terms with Rocket Ismail out of ND, who was the presumptive #1 pick.  Ismail chose to go play in Canada for the Toronto Argonauts over playing for the Pats.  They were that bad.
 
They brought Dick MacPherson on from Syracuse after the 1-15 season in 1990, and he engineered a decent turnaround in 1991, going 6-10.  Eight or nine games into the 1992 season (all losses) he was hospitalized with diverticulitis and could not longer coach.  They took Dante Scarnecchia (who was then the special teams coach) and jumped him over the two coordinators to serve as head coach for the rest of the season.  He stayed on when Parcells got hired.
 
I get what SJH was saying.  Before 1989, they did have some successful seasons, but they always seemed to end badly, almost comically badly (the Fairbanks fiasco, the Ben Drieth game vs. Oakland, the super bowl vs. the Bears and resulting cocaine scandal).  Even when they were successful, you were always waiting for the other shoe to drop.  
 
The run from 89-92 however, with all of the on and off field failures, is a bad a 3 year run as you will find in professional sports, in my opinion. The 1990 team had a -265 point differential, which I think is still in the top 2 or 3 worst all time for a non expansion team.  In 1992, their leading (non kicker) scorer, with FOUR touchdowns, was Irving Fryar.  Vincent Brown scored 2 TDs playing linebacker, he was tied for third in touchdowns.  The team QB rating for 1992 was 63.2.  Everything they did, on and off the field, was bad.  Kraft played a part in it (although his long term intentions were good).  When he outbid Victor Kiam for the stadium in the Sullivan's bankruptcy, it created an unstable situation that put the Patriots in a hole financially that they would not get out of until Kraft purchased the team as well in 1994.  
 

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When the Pats went to the Super Bowl against the Packers, there were only 7 number of players left over from the 1992 season:  Bruce Armstrong, Ben Coates, Todd Collins, Sam Gash, Jerome Henderson, Dwayne Saab, and Scott Zolak.  Only Armstrong was around from the disastrous 1990 season.  
 
That's a fair amount of roster turnover that needed to happen.  
 

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The run from 89-92 however, with all of the on and off field failures, is a bad a 3 year run as you will find in professional sports, in my opinion. The 1990 team had a -265 point differential, which I think is still in the top 2 or 3 worst all time for a non expansion team.  In 1992, their leading (non kicker) scorer, with FOUR touchdowns, was Irving Fryar.  Vincent Brown scored 2 TDs playing linebacker, he was tied for third in touchdowns.   
 
 
An amazing stat there.
 

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Lisa Olson's interview with Zeke Mowatt, while Mowatt fondled his dick, asking her if that's what she really wanted. Later, Victor Kiam defended Mowatt.
 
I looked up an old quote. 
Yet that was only the beginning. Patriots owner Victor Kiam II seemingly decided that the best defense was to be offensive. "I can't disagree with the players' actions," he said, arguing that the Herald "asked for trouble" by assigning a female reporter to his team.
 
 

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I don't believe it has been discussed previously, but the Pats once pulled a player out of the stands before a regular season game and had him suit up to play, he made the tackle on the opening kickoff.  
 
Nothing so historic happened on the day of the Patriots’ 1970 season opener at Harvard, but it has a permanent place in the team’s colorful lore. The former Notre Dame running back Bob Gladieux had been cut from the Patriots a few days earlier but decided to attend the season opener anyway with a friend.
Seated in the old concrete Harvard horseshoe before the start of the game, the two had already had a couple of beers when Gladieux’s friend agreed to get another round. Just after he left, the public address cackled: “Bob Gladieux, please report to the Patriots’ dressing room.”
Gladieux went downstairs and was told to suit up. Last-minute contract disputes had left the Patriots short. Gladieux, nicknamed Harpo for his flock of frizzy blond hair, hurriedly donned his pads and was soon running down the field on the opening kickoff against the Miami Dolphins.
Back in the stands, his friend wondered why he was alone. He looked up to see the Dolphins’ kick returner go down in the arms of No. 24 for the Patriots.
“Tackle by Bob Gladieux,” the public address announcer said.
Said St. Jean: “When we saw Harpo’s buddy later, he said: ‘I knew I was drinking, but not enough to be hearing things.’ ” The Patriots won the game, one of just two victories in another last-place season.
 
 

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My uncle was in the media and took me and my cousin to Schaefer back in 1973, when I was in third grade and my cousin was maybe in fifth. He left us in those bleachers alone while he watched from the press box.

I cannot imagine what that our moms knew what the plan was and allowed it. It would be a DCYS incident today.
 
 
A friend said it was the only stadium in the country where they carried the drunks in.
 
Terrible shit-hole.The metal seats were a special form of torture, otherwise reserved for those who made it to the Seventh Circle of Hell.
 
"The Seventh Circle of Hell is divided into three rings. The Outer Ring houses murderers and others who were violent to other people and property. Here, Dante sees Alexander the Great (disputed), Dionysius I of Syracuse, Guy de Montfort and many other notable historical and mythological figures such as the Centaurus, sank into a river of boiling blood and fire. In the Middle Ring, the poet sees suicides who have been turned into trees and bushes which are fed upon by harpies. But he also sees here profligates, chased and torn to pieces by dogs. In the Inner Ring are blasphemers and sodomites, residing in a desert of burning sand and burning rain falling from the sky."