The Left Field Solution

What course should the Red Sox take in dealing with left field?


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Buzzkill Pauley

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Plus, why would the Sox want Kemp?

Swihart + Young is within reasonable striking range of anything Kemp's done at the plate since 2012. With better defense. But Cheaper. And with far more versatility.
 

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They also identified guys like Victorino and Gomes, among others, who excelled in Boston. And you know, won 2 world series. There have been some busts, so keep holding out for that perfect GM!
They kept those internal players. They should get credit for identifying players like Travis Shaw and holding on to them. A farm system that produced X, JBJ, Shaw, Swihart, Betts in the last few years probably has a clue on how to identify hitting.
I don't necessarily disagree that they can identify hitting but this is a poor example. They got both Sandoval over Shaw and Castillo over Swihart wrong. The new regime seems to have got this one right, not Big Ben, Larry and company. To the tune of $167.5 million it certainly was a costly misjudgememt of talent. Jon Lester makes about that, right?
 

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I don't understand. Sandoval was a good hitting 3B, available at a position the Red Sox needed. No one was thinking, "Shaw is our 3B of the future because he's a .300 hitter that will OPS over .900 and play flawless defense." No one, not you, not Cherington, not Farrell, not anyone - and why would they?

Secondly, Swihart's a catcher. Why would they choose him as depth instead of Castillo? The implication is that the team, fearing JBJ was never going to hit, would choose to convert Swihart to a corner infielder in order to bypass Castillo - which makes no sense at all.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding what's being said...because it sounds way too far off.
 

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Blake Swihart is headed for an MRI on his left ankle. Once Red Sox get the results, they will have a better idea of the nature and the severity of the injury.
 

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Since the Padres have thrown up the white flag and are open for business, would Jon Jay be that hard to get? He's a FA next year and I can't imagine he'd be a QO candidate. I wonder if Kelly and...I don't know, Nick Longhi/Marco Hernandez/Pat Light/Mauricio Dubon could do it? I guess he might require a better prospect haul than Shields, but I have no idea.
 
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benhogan

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Since the Padres have thrown up the white flag and are open for business, would Jon Jay be that hard to get? He's a FA next year and I can't imagine he'd be a QO candidate. I wonder if Kelly and...I don't know, Nick Longhi/Marco Hernandez/Pat Light/Mauricio Dubon could do it? I guess he might require a better prospect haul than Shields, but I have no idea.
No thanks.

Giving up 2.5 seasons of cost controlled Kelly, while he can work his issues out at AAA + offering one of our top 10 prospects for a $6.9MM John Jay 2/3 season rental to platoon with Chris Young is not worth it in terms of players, years of control or cost.

I wouldn't give up on Kelly, we're 2 starts removed from an outstanding performance.

A couple of B/C prospects and taking on Jay's salary is all that should be offered.
 
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No thanks.

Giving up 2.5 seasons of cost controlled Kelly, while he can work his issues out at AAA + offering serviceable prospects for a $6.9MM John Jay 2/3 season rental to platoon with Chris Young is not worth it in terms of players, years of control or cost.

I wouldn't give up on Kelly. A couple of B/C prospects and taking on Jay's salary is all that should be offered.
Not that I care one way or another on Jay, but...Kelly's main issue is that he gives up really hard contact. Can you learn how to not have opposing batters hit the snot out of the ball in AAA? I don't know, but I kind of feel like if Kelly was a hitter instead of a pitcher, his first name would be something like "Wily Mo."
 

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Not that I care one way or another on Jay, but...Kelly's main issue is that he gives up really hard contact. Can you learn how to not have opposing batters hit the snot out of the ball in AAA? I don't know, but I kind of feel like if Kelly was a hitter instead of a pitcher, his first name would be something like "Wily Mo."
I'm going with Bily Jo Kelly from now on...
 

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I don't know how confident I am that Chris Young is going to keep being solid against RHP going forward, but he's been way better than my expectations of him thus far. Interestingly, it's really RH relievers that have done him in. Tiny sample size alert, but he's actually hitting better against RH starters than LH starters (OPS .985 v .871) this year. Still, given his career splits I would think the Bayesian prior should be that Young is still not that good against RHP and that this is a lucky blip unless he can keep it up for another month or so. Even then I don't know.
 
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Young's strong pull inclinations go hand in hand with his career platoon hitting. It's delightful when RH pitchers throw him inside fastballs, but that will change. He is amazingly good against lefties.
 

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It's actually pretty amazing that the Sox have now lost 3 starting left fielders and STILL have the luxury of having a proven major league player, and one who can hit the stuffing out of the ball vs. lefties, to "fill in." I know that the depth is a huge issue now across the board in the outfield, but to go down 3 starters at one position and still feel decent about the guy you're throwing out there is pretty nice. At some point we'll see Rusney, I imagine, and I hope when we do, he surprises us by seamlessly keeping the line moving. That would be a great development, and stranger things have happened (Travis Shaw last year, for example).
 

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It's actually pretty amazing that the Sox have now lost 3 starting left fielders and STILL have the luxury of having a proven major league player, and one who can hit the stuffing out of the ball vs. lefties, to "fill in." I know that the depth is a huge issue now across the board in the outfield, but to go down 3 starters at one position and still feel decent about the guy you're throwing out there is pretty nice. At some point we'll see Rusney, I imagine, and I hope when we do, he surprises us by seamlessly keeping the line moving. That would be a great development, and stranger things have happened (Travis Shaw last year, for example).
I haven't had my coffee but who's the 3rd left fielder we lost?
 

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Any interest in Alex Guerrero? He had a great start last season when he played semi-regularly. He never seemed to fit with the Dodgers (and the ear thing is pretty weird). Not sure if he'd accept a spot in AAA.
 

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I'm still hoping we wind up with Oswaldo Arcia. Just read these 2 interesting factoids:

• He’ll never be a good defender, but he’s (just recently turned) 25 and has a career triple-slash line against righties of .243/.316/.469. You can’t convince me that doesn’t have value on a team that’ll use him properly.

• Arcia’s tenure with the Twins has (likely) ended just after his 25th birthday, and to this point he’s got a 101 OPS+. David Ortiz lasted with the Twins through his age-26 season, but guess what his career OPS was after his age-24 year? That’s right, also 101.
 

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Maybe something like Travis Shaw, Allen Craig, and Clay for Michael Brantley - Sox pick up all the salary.
 

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Arcia’s tenure with the Twins has (likely) ended just after his 25th birthday, and to this point he’s got a 101 OPS+. David Ortiz lasted with the Twins through his age-26 season, but guess what his career OPS was after his age-24 year? That’s right, also 101.
I get this guy is your binkie, but come on.
 

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Maybe something like Travis Shaw, Allen Craig, and Clay for Michael Brantley - Sox pick up all the salary.
Yeah, let's trade our starting 3B and one of our limited supply SP to solve the problem of finding a platoon partner in left. A currently injured solution, mind you.
 

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Shaw has a .564 OPS this month, Buchholz is a wreck. Replacement level players could fill those "holes".
 

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Why are the first place Indians taking on a 3B they don't need, a broken down OB/1B they also don't need, and a starting pitcher who wouldn't crack their rotation, even if they're all free, to give up their best outfielder who's only detriment to them thus far has been that he's hurt and can't play anyway?
 

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Why are the first place Indians taking on a 3B they don't need, a broken down OB/1B they also don't need, and a starting pitcher who wouldn't crack their rotation, even if they're all free, to give up their best outfielder who's only detriment to them thus far has been that he's hurt and can't play anyway?
That's the question that should be asked!
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
Besides that, if Clay can build on his flawed-but-decent performance last night to produce a stretch of competent starts, we can't afford to trade him. And if he can't, we probably can't trade him, at least not for anything useful.
 

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What's the sense on Jay Bruce's cost? I just feel like it wouldn't be a back-breaker (which of course I'm throwing out there because I also feel like I could be way off-base on that) and he'd seem like a nice fit--not a marginal hope-for-it upgrade, but someone that could come in and provide some power and good ABs platooning with Young. He's got a $13m option for next year, so nothing long-term.

Would be nice to push Holt back to the bench where he can really help a ton. It isn't really just LF that needs a patch, but the resulting boon for the bench is desperately needed.
 

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Would love to add Bruce and I think I mentioned it somewhere else. Obviously who knows how much the Reds would want for him, but they would be foolish not to move him. He would be a perfect addition to platoon with Young.

Myers would be more expensive, but there's rumors he is available. Heyman is reporting as much so take that for what its worth:http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/knuckleball-news/heyman-padres-open-trading-wil-myers/
 

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Re: Myers. I mentioned this prior to him being drafted, but I've met Wil a few times and know people who are very close to his family. He's a HUGE Red Six fan. Not that he has any say with his limited service time, but he'd LOVE to play for our team.
 

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The wrong side of the bridge....
What's the sense on Jay Bruce's cost? I just feel like it wouldn't be a back-breaker (which of course I'm throwing out there because I also feel like I could be way off-base on that) and he'd seem like a nice fit--not a marginal hope-for-it upgrade, but someone that could come in and provide some power and good ABs platooning with Young. He's got a $13m option for next year, so nothing long-term.

Would be nice to push Holt back to the bench where he can really help a ton. It isn't really just LF that needs a patch, but the resulting boon for the bench is desperately needed.
The more I look at him, the better Bruce looks. I know he was originally broached as a platoon partner for Young, but he doesn't have a ginormous platoon split; his career OPS vs. LHP is .725, and this year he has almost no split at all. There's no particular reason why we'd have to hide him from lefties, except in the sense of targeting tough lefty starters as good days to rest him. And it's not like Young won't be back.

His contract, which guarantees him for the rest of this year, with a 2017 option, is perfect. If he does well, we exercise the option; if not, we go looking somewhere else over the winter. Either way, the contract makes him an ideal Bridge to Benintendi(R).

I see two caveats, neither deal-breaking:

1) Since his 2014 knee injury, his outfield range has sucked. But this matters less in Fenway's LF than in most (and next year, as Benintendi emerges, there may be opportunities to alternate Bruce with Hanley in the DH slot).

2) He has a recent history of cratering offensively in the second half. This seems like a more serious issue if it's conditioning-related. But the 2014 dip was obviously related to the injury, and the 2015 one, which seems mostly BABIP-driven, may have been a fluke.

As for the cost, last year's Cespedes trade might be a decent comp. Cespedes probably had more on-field value, but was only signed through the remainder of the year, so Bruce's option would at least even things out. The Tigers got one very good pitching prospect--he was a BA top-50 coming into this year, but not before that--and another pitching prospect who was more of a tier-2 throw-in. Fulmer was a better prospect than Kopech (at least that's how I read the tea leaves), so we'd have to improve on the throw-in and maybe add a third leg as well. Maybe something like Kopech/Dubon/Stankiewicz might do it?
 
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In a crushing blow for some:

The Twins announced that recently designated-for-assignment outfielder Oswaldo Arcia has been traded to the Rays in exchange for a player to be named later or cash considerations.
 

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Re: Myers. I mentioned this prior to him being drafted, but I've met Wil a few times and know people who are very close to his family. He's a HUGE Red Six fan. Not that he has any say with his limited service time, but he'd LOVE to play for our team.
So he fucked up that Ortiz ball in Game 1 of 2013 as an embedded Sox, huh? :p

In a crushing blow for some:

The Twins announced that recently designated-for-assignment outfielder Oswaldo Arcia has been traded to the Rays in exchange for a player to be named later or cash considerations.
Don't be a lead pipe guy...
 

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I like Holt as a sub, and tend to think pitching is the core issue, especially drafting, developing, etc. Sox really need to do a deep dive there: lots of lessons to be learned from Bard, Miller, Lester &c. Trading for a left-fielder would just be a distraction. FWIW, Pirates are collapsing and Andrew McCutchen's contract expires end of next season (club option 2019).
 

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I like Holt as a sub, and tend to think pitching is the core issue, especially drafting, developing, etc. Sox really need to do a deep dive there: lots of lessons to be learned from Bard, Miller, Lester &c. Trading for a left-fielder would just be a distraction. FWIW, Pirates are collapsing and Andrew McCutchen's contract expires end of next season (club option 2019).
Club option is for 2018, but there's no way in hell are the Pirates trading their MVP and franchise player.