@JasonLaCanfora Browns have announced the inevitable. Released Johnny Manziel
The Sashi Train is unstoppable.
Per NFL.com's Dan Hanzus:
The Sashi Train is unstoppable.
Per NFL.com's Dan Hanzus:
The Manziel Saga: Toasted
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Why are we supposed to celebrate this? I feel sorry for the kid. He's not the first and obviously won't be the last, but he strikes me as more "immature, needs to grow up" than "asshole, I will enjoy watching his career rot!"
He blew past "immature, time to grow up" a long time ago. He's in "set up a pool to bet on the date of his death" territory.
He's 23. He's not a kid.
If I had a co-worker who was 23 and showed up drunk, didn't show up at all, acted like an asshole, I'd think he was an asshole, treat him like an asshole, and think "maybe he'll fucking get it someday, but fuck him until he does."
Hope for his sake that not all of the Snickers money went up is nose.
I would like to see him get another shot, purely for the entertainment value of having him stay in the league.
I would like to see him get another shot, purely for the entertainment value of having him stay in the league.
Even if it did, aren't his parents worth like 10's of millions of dollars?
And if he was affecting the rest of the work force with this behavior, he'd either get fired or an ass whipping in the parking lot after work. Good luck Johnny, it gets cold in Canada.
You make a strong point. I hadn't followed the case after the initial (arrest-free) traffic stop, and thought it was closer to "argument of ambiguous provenance and details" than "Ray Rice-esque beatdown, plus some permanent hearing loss". I see I may have been mistaken.
Sometimes an addict doesn't get clean until NOBODY is no longer associating with them on any level
I had exactly ONE person associating with me on any level
I had exactly ONE person associating with me on any level
If your co-worker was one of the 30 most talented people in the world at his specific job, and your employer had the contractual right to employ him at below-market rates for the next two years, your employer would tell you to GTFO if you couldn't deal with his behavior.
The issue here is that a lot of other guys on the team are similarly elite, and the QB is unavoidably placed in a leadership role over them. A leader can't make up for poor leadership attributes with raw talent.
These terms are not mutually exclusive. One can be all three.
Perhaps he is not and it's purely the addiction, but to suggest that there is no evidence otherwise is dismissive, IMO.
Wait, didn't his actual employer, the Cleveland Browns, just tell Manziel (one of the "30 most talented people in the world at his specific job, employed at a below-market rate") to GTFO?
And I agree with Papelbon up there; being an addict might explain a person's terrible behavior, but it doesn't excuse it.
I think that could cover the drinking, drugs and acting out. I'm not sure that addict sufficiently covers beating the crap out of a woman. (I'm not sure it doesn't, either, to be fair)
Also, when are we suggesting he became an addict? Because about the only thing I thought about him before he was drafted was that he seemed like an immature asshole.
I became convinced Manziel was an addict during last season, when he had his very public relapse -- despite the near certainty that he would be caught, and the obvious consequences that would flow from that.
Perhaps he would be a shitty human being even if he was sober, but it's impossible to know. There's a difference between saying you can know his character apart from his addiction, and saying you'd rather not have your favorite team roll the dice on that.
Perhaps he would be a shitty human being even if he was sober, but it's impossible to know. There's a difference between saying you can know his character apart from his addiction, and saying you'd rather not have your favorite team roll the dice on that.
I tend to agree with your conclusion that he has a problem with alcohol. That neither precludes nor supersedes the possibility that he's both immature and an entitled asshole.
I don't excuse any behavior of a using addict - however I can tell you that some of the most special people I've ever met did some of the despicable things that go beyond what is mentionable on a public forum while they were in the grips of active addiction.
That was awesome. I'm not a huge Merrill Hoge fan but he nailed it. And the pomposity of Skip Bayless made it all the better.
Ignoring the double negative
, if this is true of Johnny, then he's screwed. As long as he has money in the bank, he'll be able to find a model and some hometown or college buddies who want to party in Vegas and Miami. It's still happening as we speak.
Yes he shot by the time to grow up mantra when he allegedly struck his gf to the point of causing hearing loss.
Without a high paying job the money (along w the friends and the women) dries up pretty damn quick.Ignoring the double negative
Oh, I know. I guess my point was that he started with a pretty big account, and when it's gone, so are his opportunities to replenish it. It won't be an Aaron Hernandez level squander, but still pretty bad.
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Agreed. I don't think he's a mass murdering sociopath like AH, just an addict, which is not to diminish addiction at all.
He's an addichole. Some people seem to be ascribing his issues to his problems with alcohol but I think he was an entitled asshole first and the alcohol just exacerbated his issues. As others have said, to me, he blew past the "just needs to grow up" stage when he beat up his gf.
There is a lot of speculation that he will never get another chance in NFL. In today's society of second and third chances, especially in the sports world, that would be surprising to me but well deserved in a karma sort of way.
I think the stint in rehab fairly confidently suggests he has addiction issues. Which always exacerbate asshole issues.
We have a member here who knows his family personally and has stated, unequivocally, that Manziel is an entitled asshole. His addiction and fucked up behavior are symptoms of his personality.
If you rent a mansion to Johnny, what could go wrong?
“They were supposed to check out at noon,” Goodwin told Page Six. “Manziel was passed out … There was cocaine all over the kitchen table, and mushrooms were still out on the table in front of him. There was booze everywhere . . . broken glasses over the floor and a Champagne glass in a tree.”
http://nesn.com/2016/04/johnny-manziel-friends-allegedly-trash-hollywood-house-in-drug-booze-fest/
“They were supposed to check out at noon,” Goodwin told Page Six. “Manziel was passed out … There was cocaine all over the kitchen table, and mushrooms were still out on the table in front of him. There was booze everywhere . . . broken glasses over the floor and a Champagne glass in a tree.”
http://nesn.com/2016/04/johnny-manziel-friends-allegedly-trash-hollywood-house-in-drug-booze-fest/
Has anyone seen anything worse than this? Because if these are the pictures the owners are making public, then they seem like attention seekers taking advantage of the situation (which would not be the least bit surprising in LA).
Sure, some trace remnants of drugs, but what else? Show real damage or GTFO. If Johnny missed his check out time or made an unreasonable mess, Airbnb has procedures in place to address that which doesn't include running to the press.
Of course, he's brought this upon himself.
Oh no, is that an empty beer bottle standing upright in the kitchen?! And surely he didn't forget to put away the cloth napkins! My goodness gracious!
The living room / kitchen on the final morning of my annual ski trip always looks worse than that, minus the drugs. Somebody's broken a bottle, recyclables are piling up, and nobody feels capable of getting out of bed.
Certainly, Charlie Sheen laughs at such an amateur effort.
The living room / kitchen on the final morning of my annual ski trip always looks worse than that, minus the drugs. Somebody's broken a bottle, recyclables are piling up, and nobody feels capable of getting out of bed.
Certainly, Charlie Sheen laughs at such an amateur effort.
It's almost hard to believe why a professional athlete might believe himself to be above the law and untouchable.