The offseason heading into 2018

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Bautista had a horrendous 2nd half but his first half and 2016 numbers actually look decent. He played way too much in RF for a 36 yo IMO and I suspect more time at DH might benefit him. Fenway Park wont hurt either. His arm is a cannon and LF might be a decent spot for him against LHpers

I wonder how a tough offseason last year affected him. Might have tried to do too much

Anyways, even if he is cooked he wont be expensive enough that cutting him would be awful painful. The upside could be quite large though. Obviously JDM is first choice but I wouldnt mind giving Bautista a look if that doesnt develop
 

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Bautista had a horrendous 2nd half but his first half and 2016 numbers actually look decent. He played way too much in RF for a 36 yo IMO and I suspect more time at DH might benefit him. Fenway Park wont hurt either. His arm is a cannon and LF might be a decent spot for him against LHpers

I wonder how a tough offseason last year affected him. Might have tried to do too much

Anyways, even if he is cooked he wont be expensive enough that cutting him would be awful painful. The upside could be quite large though. Obviously JDM is first choice but I wouldnt mind giving Bautista a look if that doesnt develop
No. Just no!
 

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Another in-depth piece about the troubling economics of the sport (in Deadspin via Emma Baccellieri), which includes this nugget:

After trading away key franchise players Andrew McCutchen and Gerrit Cole for relatively little in return this month, Pirates owner Bob Nutting was asked what it would take for the team to break their cycle of “develop, then sell when gets too costly.” Here’s his answer:

“I think you’d have a fundamental redesign of the economics of baseball. That’s not what we’re going to have.”


Owners aren't trying to win.

 

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Owners aren’t trying to win.

Or, more accurately, they are trying to win within a “window” with cost controlled players. That isn’t news; that has been the Astros’ formula, the Royals formula, to a lesser extent presently, the Red Sox, and nobody is accusing those teams of having not tried to win. The problem is that winning become cyclical, and when you shoot for a window seeking to win during your upswing and fail, it looks bad.

Why does that graph show a 15 year sample post luxury tax and only 5 pre? I’m probably one of the biggest proponents of giving players an equal 50% share as anyone but that seems like disingenuous sample games, I honestly am curious what the 1987-1997 part of that graph looks like, while conceding those were very different colonic times.
 

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And what does players' share of revenue mean? Does it mean just MLB players or does it include minor league players as well?
 

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The players f'ed up when they accepted a luxury tax without tying it to league revenue, the way every other league that I can think of did when they put in a cap. The NBA soft cap is around 45% with luxury taxes above that, the NHL is 57% of league revenue for a hard cap, and the NFL hard cap is set at 47% of league revenue.
 

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Bautista had a horrendous 2nd half but his first half and 2016 numbers actually look decent. He played way too much in RF for a 36 yo IMO and I suspect more time at DH might benefit him. Fenway Park wont hurt either. His arm is a cannon and LF might be a decent spot for him against LHpers

I wonder how a tough offseason last year affected him. Might have tried to do too much

Anyways, even if he is cooked he wont be expensive enough that cutting him would be awful painful. The upside could be quite large though. Obviously JDM is first choice but I wouldnt mind giving Bautista a look if that doesnt develop
Even if you split the difference between his last two seasons which would a very significant bounce back, he would be pretty much exactly a league average bat which makes him a terrible one for an offensively dependent position. There is very little chance he adds any positive defensive value either.

Combine that with him seemingly being a moody dink, the team lacking leadership last year, the eminently available cheap bats on the market, and a 4 straight year decline, you have a god awful fit any way you slice it. Especially as a bench player, who very much seems like he would not enjoy being a bench player.

Bryce Brentz being added to the 40 man seems like the worst case scenario to me as a 4th outfielder.
 
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Bautista really wasn't a case of first half/second half performance splits. He simply managed to recapture his prime for 2+ weeks in May, and was otherwise historically awful. In 18 games (75 PA) from May 12-31 he put up a slash line of .406/.480/.813. In the other 139 games he played (611 PA) he hit .178/.286/.312. When you factor in his age, his defensive shortcomings and his personality, I don't know why the Red Sox or any other team would consider even inviting the guy to spring training.

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Yeah, I’ll take FF* at his word for the stats breakdown. But the sad truth for Bautista is that he’s now a guy that a smart team maybe picks up on a waiver deal in August if they’re dealing with injuries. And that’s only because he’s not likely to settle for a minor league deal.
 

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Maybe it's just me but this feels like the quietest off-season in forever. Barely any moves, nothing major at all, and hardly even any noise at all on a player that seems in many ways to be exactly what they need and who nobody else seems to be going after.

It's so weird.
 

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Maybe it's just me but this feels like the quietest off-season in forever. Barely any moves, nothing major at all, and hardly even any noise at all on a player that seems in many ways to be exactly what they need and who nobody else seems to be going after.

It's so weird.
It's weird, in the sense of unusual, but it also makes perfect sense. They won the division last year with a team of which all but a few non-critical members will be back again this year. Most of the returning players either underachieved last year, or are still very young, or both, so there's pretty good reason to hope for better contributions from nearly everybody.

So while JDM would certainly improve the team, you could make a pretty good case that the team is not in dire need of improvement. This, plus the apparent absence of a competitive market, is why it's taking forever for a deal to happen. Neither Boras nor DD has any real incentive to pick up the pace.
 

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It's weird, in the sense of unusual, but it also makes perfect sense. They won the division last year with a team of which all but a few non-critical members will be back again this year. Most of the returning players either underachieved last year, or are still very young, or both, so there's pretty good reason to hope for better contributions from nearly everybody.

So while JDM would certainly improve the team, you could make a pretty good case that the team is not in dire need of improvement. This, plus the apparent absence of a competitive market, is why it's taking forever for a deal to happen. Neither Boras nor DD has any real incentive to pick up the pace.
Dire improvement not needed? Depends on how much we want to win. In a division with the Yankees and a league with the Astros we project as the 3rd or 4th best team with the highest payroll and a farm system that suggests a closing window.

Hope for positive regression and health is nice, and maybe we get that, but its a pretty passive aproach for what has been a very aggressive FO the past couple of years. They reset the tax so should be able to go for it this year. I dont see them in on Manny or Harper next year. With the Dodgers and Yankees sitting out, and maybe the Giants, its a good time to sign a FA or two. In the end thats probably happening, but DD seems too comfortable that JDM is not getting picked up by others. Unless MLB has another information bank he cant know who else is knocking on the door for JDM

Maybe it's just me but this feels like the quietest off-season in forever. Barely any moves, nothing major at all, and hardly even any noise at all on a player that seems in many ways to be exactly what they need and who nobody else seems to be going after.

It's so weird.
Never been quieter since the late 80's almost 30 years ago
 

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Another in-depth piece about the troubling economics of the sport (in Deadspin via Emma Baccellieri), which includes this nugget:

After trading away key franchise players Andrew McCutchen and Gerrit Cole for relatively little in return this month, Pirates owner Bob Nutting was asked what it would take for the team to break their cycle of “develop, then sell when gets too costly.” Here’s his answer:

“I think you’d have a fundamental redesign of the economics of baseball. That’s not what we’re going to have.”


Owners aren't trying to win.

That conclusion is quite a leap.

This in spite of the fact that since Baseball owners began keeping score, the winning percentage of all games played is... 0.500!

Baseball is only a business. Like all businesses it operates under the rule of law, and seeks to operate profitably. Owners negotiate operations bylaws, supplier relationships and labor agreements.

I cannot understand why a board focused on a game we all enjoy continues to veer off into political matters.

A more worthy topic in my view is the collected wisdom regarding the best options for Red Sox in 2018 if JDM does not sign with them. So many interesting departures from that point, so little time...
 

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Never been quieter since the late 80's almost 30 years ago
I was pretty adamant earlier in the winter about a Boras factor playing a big role in all of this, but it's also getting really hard not to see the potential collusion angle among the bigger markets in all of this.

I mean every bigger FA contract type still being out there and not a single notably reach'y GM decision to found anywhere (unless you want to believe those earlier Hosmer 7 year offer rumors, which I'm doubting at this point)? That is beyond weird.
 

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It’s really not all that weird and it’s certainly not collusion. It’s a simple market correction at base, the higher penalties on luxury tax overage and the much better free agent class next season. Quite frankly, this class is not very good. FOs are getting smarter, not colluding.
 

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It’s really not all that weird and it’s certainly not collusion. It’s a simple market correction at base, the higher penalties on luxury tax overage and the much better free agent class next season. Quite frankly, this class is not very good. FOs are getting smarter, not colluding.
I'd buy more all in on that and without any surrounding doubt in the event every single GM wasn't apparently getting smarter, and to that extent, at the same exact time.

To me a baseball offseason without any bigger FA money stupidity to debate is weird.
 

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And honestly, most years I’d agree with you but this free agent class isn’t good, doesn’t like up with teams’ needs and there’s a legit concern to keep your gunpowder dry for next year, as well as the new rules on QOs. In the past, sure, a marginal team might want to make a splash, but if you’re, I dunno, the Tigers, are you going to drop that coin on a Moustakas and forfeit a draft pick? Collusion strikes me as being a bridge too far, for many reasons.
 

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Dire improvement not needed? Depends on how much we want to win. In a division with the Yankees and a league with the Astros we project as the 3rd or 4th best team with the highest payroll and a farm system that suggests a closing window.
Baseball is not the kind of sport (if any such exist) where you can rank all the teams and then predict confidently that the #1 team will win it all. Being the 3rd or 4th best team in your league means you have an excellent shot at a championship; you'll very likely make the playoffs, and once in, anything can happen, especially for a team with strong frontline pitching and (mostly) good defense.

I mean, sure, being the 3rd or 4th best team by definition means that you have a need to improve, but again, it's not a dire need. You're already in a very good position, and you just want to make it better. That situation does not seem to call for an aggressive approach to a free agent negotiation.

In the end thats probably happening, but DD seems too comfortable that JDM is not getting picked up by others. Unless MLB has another information bank he cant know who else is knocking on the door for JDM
I'm puzzled as to how DD, who has access to all kinds of information that we don't, is supposed to be stuck behind a veil of ignorance regarding his competition, while we fans can be presumed to know exactly what he's up to and how he feels about it. How does that work?
 

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For what it's worth, Fangraphs projected standings has the Red Sox and Yankees tied at 91 wins. They project 93 wins for the Indians and 98 wins for the Astros. Additionally, they project the offense to be the 3rd highest scoring behind just the Astros and Yankees.

I don't point this out as some sort of concrete evidence of anything as it is just a projection. But what it does show is that, at least on paper, there is not that much of a gap between the Red Sox and the other top teams in the league right now (in particularly the Yankees). So no, there is no "dire improvement needed". Of course they should improve where they can, but this notion that they have to do something dramatic and quickly in order to contend in 2018 is ludicrous.
 

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Baseball is not the kind of sport (if any such exist) where you can rank all the teams and then predict confidently that the #1 team will win it all. Being the 3rd or 4th best team in your league means you have an excellent shot at a championship; you'll very likely make the playoffs, and once in, anything can happen, especially for a team with strong frontline pitching and (mostly) good defense.

I mean, sure, being the 3rd or 4th best team by definition means that you have a need to improve, but again, it's not a dire need. You're already in a very good position, and you just want to make it better. That situation does not seem to call for an aggressive approach to a free agent negotiation.
If you make the naïve assumption that all playoffs games are a coin-flip, with 50% chance of winning, then the division winner has a 12.5% chance of winning the world series, and the wild card team has a 6.25% chance of winning the world series. Put in a way that sounds worse, being the wild card team reduces your chance of winning the world series by 50%. That's a pretty significant penalty for being the second best team in your division.
 

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If you make the naïve assumption that all playoffs games are a coin-flip, with 50% chance of winning, then the division winner has a 12.5% chance of winning the world series, and the wild card team has a 6.25% chance of winning the world series. Put in a way that sounds worse, being the wild card team reduces your chance of winning the world series by 50%. That's a pretty significant penalty for being the second best team in your division.
That penalty is the whole point of the second wild card. With only one wild card, the wild card team, who was the second best team in its division, had the same theoretical odds of winning the WS as the division winner.
 

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That penalty is the whole point of the second wild card. With only one wild card, the wild card team, who was the second best team in its division, had the same theoretical odds of winning the WS as the division winner.
Right, but the penalty does exist. And Plympton is right that it's naive to think all series are a 50/50 coinflip. Match-ups matter and team composition is important in the post season. Last year's Red Sox had a serious power problem and struggled to score runs against the best starters the Astros had. They also had a weak bullpen after Kimbrel and Reed and it showed. They were well built for a 162 game marathon, but I don't think they were built to have a great chance at winning against consistently great teams.

Yes, a well timed hot streak can overcome that. Yes, health is another massive variable. But this team needs a big power bat in the middle of the lineup, and they are going to need to improve the bullpen in July.
 

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I disagree that the RS are poorly build for the playoff run. The most important factor is not power hitting nor the bullpen, but 3 outstanding starters. The RS had that at the beginning of the season (3 Cy Young caliber pitchers), however by playoff time: one was injured, one was fatigued and the other had a poor year overall.
 

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I disagree that the RS are poorly build for the playoff run. The most important factor is not power hitting nor the bullpen, but 3 outstanding starters. The RS had that at the beginning of the season (3 Cy Young caliber pitchers), however by playoff time: one was injured, one was fatigued and the other had a poor year overall.
This may not be true anymore. Teams are going to their elite bullpens earlier and earlier.
 

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I disagree that the RS are poorly build for the playoff run. The most important factor is not power hitting nor the bullpen, but 3 outstanding starters. The RS had that at the beginning of the season (3 Cy Young caliber pitchers), however by playoff time: one was injured, one was fatigued and the other had a poor year overall.
Yes. As much as we want to point to the playoffs last year and say a power hitter would have made a difference, we're talking about four games in which they got less than stellar performances out of their starting pitching.

Game 1: 5 IP, 7 R, 7 ER, 9 H, 1 BB, 6 K
Game 2: 2 IP, 4 R, 4 ER, 5 H, 1 BB, 1 K
Game 3: 1.1 IP, 3 R, 3 ER, 4 H, 1 BB, 1 K
Game 4: 3 IP, 2 R, 2 ER, 5 H, 3 BB, 4 K

The bullpen really wasn't the problem in that series. The first two games were lost before the bullpen was involved. It took a herculean effort by the pen (specifically David Price) to win Game 3.

Could the offense have scored more? Sure. Would one big bopper in the middle of the lineup made a significant difference against pitchers like Verlander and Keuchel? Not so sure. For as much as was made about how the 2017 lineup missed David Ortiz or a David Ortiz like bat, Ortiz himself wasn't enough to overcome poor pitching performances against a very good team the year before.

It's easy to say they can be better if the players they have just play better. It's also easy to say that making a significant addition to the roster will make them better. But playoff success won't be assured either way.
 

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I don't disagree that bullpens are critical as well. You can't do better than Kimbrel as the closer, so the move would to pick up 2 additional "lights-out" relievers for the 7th and 8th. If healthy, Carson is likely to be one of those. Kelly and crew can handle in the 6th. So picking up a high quality closer for the 7th/8th can be done in the off-season or just wait to the trade deadline and make the move then. That move would be a fraction of 5/125 MM.

This should not be construed as being against a JDM signing. I just fall into the category that believes spending 25MM for 5 years is near the top of what the RS should spend ($ and years) on a 30 yr power hitting OF/DH who plays less than adequate defense. At some point, you have to learn from previous mistakes, which handicap the team down the road. So I am fine with DD holding the line at 5/125MM, if JDM signs, then great. But if not, move on and improve the team in other ways by adding another top flight reliever or another starter (if the prices really have fallen as some have reported).
 

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When you only score 2 runs each in half the games of a series you aren't going to win that series even if your starters show up. The offense wasn't good enough. They had exactly one big inning the entire series (the 7th of game 3).

And besides, they don't have the ability to improve the rotation much. They have a clear and simple path toward making a major improvement to the offense.
 

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When you only score 2 runs each in half the games of a series you aren't going to win that series even if your starters show up. The offense wasn't good enough. They had exactly one big inning the entire series (the 7th of game 3).

And besides, they don't have the ability to improve the rotation much. They have a clear and simple path toward making a major improvement to the offense.
They would have had to score 9 runs in games one and two in order to win them though. One big bat doesn't change that if we're really going to talk about a 4 game sample size.

They obviously could use a bat, and I hope they get one, but the lack of power was reason #2 they lost.
 
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They would have had to score 9 runs in games one and two in order to win them though. One big bat doesn't change that if we're really going to talk about a 4 game sample size.
I'm not talking about just a four game sample. I'm saying the offense wasn't good enough and how the series actually played out is secondary to that. 26th in slugging. 12th in OBP. I don't get why people are resistant to the idea that the offense wasn't equipped to drive a deep post season run last year. It seems pretty obvious to me.
 

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I'm not talking about just a four game sample. I'm saying the offense wasn't good enough and how the series actually played out is secondary to that. 26th in slugging. 12th in OBP. I don't get why people are resistant to the idea that the offense wasn't equipped to drive a deep post season run last year. It seems pretty obvious to me.
26th in slugging and 12th in OBP were season stats. How do you make out that a team with these deficiencies was "well built for a 162 game marathon" but not for a short series? What's the logic there? It may seem obvious to you, but to many of us it isn't.
 

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Is this offseason going to be the new status quo where 3/4 of mlb FA will remain unsigned Into the new year? I don’t think the MLBPA will be too fond of that. And I’m not sure if this is a sign of how tense the next CBA negotiations will be.
 

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26th in slugging and 12th in OBP were season stats. How do you make out that a team with these deficiencies was "well built for a 162 game marathon" but not for a short series? What's the logic there? It may seem obvious to you, but to many of us it isn't.
A flawed team can beat up on weaker teams in the regular season. You don't get to play weak teams in the playoffs.
 

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A flawed team can beat up on weaker teams in the regular season. You don't get to play weak teams in the playoffs.
OK, it sounds like you're saying that *any* specific flaw that you can coast by with in the regular season by "beating up on weaker teams" is likely to be exposed and exploited in the playoffs. That seems true enough. I thought you were saying that power hitting was special in this regard.

The record doesn't support this idea very robustly for last year's Sox, though: their winning record vs. over-.500 teams was only marginally worse than the other playoff teams' (BOS .540, NYY .542, HOU .545, CLE .551), and their record vs. under-.500 teams was only a little better than the Yanks' (.589 to .570), and much worse than the Astros' and Indians' (.643 and .664). If they got to the playoffs by beating up on weaker teams but were vulnerable to the stronger ones, how come there's next to no trace of this in their regular-season record?
 

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If we look at who won the World Series over the last 10 years I think the only team that depended on expensive FA was the 2009 Yankees. Last year the Astros did it with a team built from within. The Cubs did it with Lester and Heyward being the big ticket FA. Royals were built from within with a great bullpen. The Giants built teams using all facets but were not super expensive ball clubs. The 2013 Red Sox still have people wondering how that happen. The Cardinals built mainly from within.

I think teams have learned that buying expensive aging FA is not really the way to go. Adding strategically and reasonably from the FA market and building from within seem to be the wave of the future. Teams have learned that there are few players worthy of 10 year $250 million contracts. Adding a FA who is 30 or older for long term, expensive contract may help you have a winning season or two but easily become burdens which prevent a team from sustaining those winning ways.

DD has used prospects to get him key contributors to the team. Sales, Kimbrel are good examples. Has he drained the Sox for the future? Not necessarily. Betts, Vazquez, Bogaerts, Benintendi, Devers & Bradley are a young core of positional players. He can easily extend them to provide future contributions to the team. Adding Sales, Kimbrel, Porcello EdRod and Pomeranz through trades were strategic moves. We still have not seen what Smith and Thornburg will mean to the team. Hanley and Price are the only really expensive, big ticket FA. Travis, Maddox, Swihart and Brentz have potential to have an impact. Sale, Kimbrel and Pomeranz are all potential extension candidates. This is a good team that has been built through all facets of the game.

The market for expensive, over 30 FA may have become something of a past phenomenon. There will continue to be exceptions to the rule - Kershaw, if he opts out, comes to mind. Young FA such as Harper and Machado will still receive large, lengthy contracts. Players such as McCutchen and Jones will get solid contracts. However, I think we will see more off seasons like this one where teams search out trades and FA that can contribute for a reasonable length of time on a reasonable contract.

JDM for 5/$125 fits what I perceive as one of those reasonable contracts for a reasonable length of time.
 

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OK, it sounds like you're saying that *any* specific flaw that you can coast by with in the regular season by "beating up on weaker teams" is likely to be exposed and exploited in the playoffs. That seems true enough. I thought you were saying that power hitting was special in this regard.
Power certainly isn't special in this regard, but the Sox were an awful power team last year, so it's something that stood out for the 2017 team.

The record doesn't support this idea very robustly for last year's Sox, though: their winning record vs. over-.500 teams was only marginally worse than the other playoff teams' (BOS .540, NYY .542, HOU .545, CLE .551), and their record vs. under-.500 teams was only a little better than the Yanks' (.589 to .570), and much worse than the Astros' and Indians' (.643 and .664). If they got to the playoffs by beating up on weaker teams but were vulnerable to the stronger ones, how come there's next to no trace of this in their regular-season record?
While I'll concede that the actual results don't show much, I would quibble with the idea that a team that is 26th in SLG and 12th in OBP would reliably be the 6th best scoring team in the AL (10th in the majors). Yes, they were a good base running team and that likely helped them to outpace their expected run production, but that can't account for all of the difference.

I'd wager that if you ran the season 100 times, they end up 6th in the AL (or better) in a small fraction of those simulations. And that production was likely aided by facing weaker pitching staffs. I'll have to see if I can dig up runs scored vs individual pitchers and can compile some totals.
 

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Yes, they were a good base running team and that likely helped them to outpace their expected run production, but that can't account for all of the difference.
Probably not, but it could be a lot of it. I'm looking at some of the baserunning and situational numbers on BBref right now, and what's striking me is how many "small-ball" stats the Sox excelled at:

Percentage of baserunners who eventually score: T2
SB%: 3
Pickoffs: 14
Extra bases taken percentage: 2
Infield hits: 3
Productive outs rate: 4
# of PA with runner on third/less than two out: 1
# of successful conversions in that situation: T1
% of runner advances in man on second-none out situation: 1

The obvious, exasperating takeaway from all the aggressive baserunning was how often they had guys thrown out -- but they were also really good at advancing guys. This was almost a dead-ball-era offense. Make contact, get on base, exploit every opportunity to advance till you score or get thrown out.

It'll be very interesting to see if that approach continues under Cora.
 

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Its an interesting question because if it doesn't continue the loss of all those "hidden runs" will likely offset the expected "return to form" of basically everyone in the lineup. I'm not sure those two things are connected. You can still hit AND run the bases successfully. Hitting seems more the skill and base running a mindset, however.
 

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Power certainly isn't special in this regard, but the Sox were an awful power team last year, so it's something that stood out for the 2017 team.

While I'll concede that the actual results don't show much, I would quibble with the idea that a team that is 26th in SLG and 12th in OBP would reliably be the 6th best scoring team in the AL (10th in the majors). Yes, they were a good base running team and that likely helped them to outpace their expected run production, but that can't account for all of the difference.

I'd wager that if you ran the season 100 times, they end up 6th in the AL (or better) in a small fraction of those simulations. And that production was likely aided by facing weaker pitching staffs. I'll have to see if I can dig up runs scored vs individual pitchers and can compile some totals.
I would take that wager in a heartbeat if you ran that based on their projected opening day roster. Because they were 26th in SLG and 12th in OBP due largely to the fact that they had 5 regulars (Moreland, Pedroia, Bogaerts, Bradley, Ramirez) and their top 2 utility players (Holt and Hernandez) who either missed significant time or played through injury. Every team has injuries. But that was a) a bit more than expected (this is my perception) and b) mismanged by the coaching/FO staff in a way that has hopefully been identified and won't be repeated. They also had a black hole at 3B for half the season which has ostensibly been filled. Even so, their .736 OPS (11th in the AL) was only .014 lower than the 6th best AL team and MLB average.** There's no arguing this isn't a team built on power. And they could use a power bat. But they're a middle of the road AL offense at worst.

The Astros bludgeoned Red Sox pitching in the ALDS. I think it's a fair assumption to make that playoff pitching staffs are better than what teams face in the regular season (hence the argument about beating up on weaker teams throughout the season). Ours was not, and that was the biggest problem with the 2017 playoff performance. The Astros hit more HR (2 HR/G) and scored more R (6 R/G) against our playoff pitching staff than what they averaged through 162 G (1.5 and 5.5) while padding those stats against weak staffs. But in the 14 playoff games they played against the Yankees and Dodgers, those numbers were 1.4 HR/G and 3.9 R/G. The Yankees were 1.2 HR/G and 3.9 R/G in their 13 games. Comparatively, the Red Sox hit 1.3 HR/G and scored 4.5 R/G in the ALDS. The Astros' high-power(ed) offense did not lead them to a World Series title. It did help them breeze through the ALDS against a weak pitching staff. I don't think there's a larger conclusion to be drawn from this about whether having an elite offense is necessary to win in the playoffs, especially because of sample sizes, but it does go against the perception that the Astros' powerful offense led them to a ring (ergo the Red Sox need an elite offense or they can't compete).

Their two largest problems as I see them: 1) They need their ace starting rotation to pitch as such in the post-season. The 2017 (and 2018) Sox were supposed to be built around 3 CY-caliber starters. One was hurt, another faded, and the third was just not good in 2017. 2) In 2017, they paid $105 M to their 5 highest-paid players (Price, Ramirez, Porcello, Sandoval, Pedroia) and got 1.2 fWAR in return. If they're not getting much more than replacement-level performance from that portion of the roster, it's hard to be successful in the long term. Sandoval is obviously gone and a sunk cost. Pedroia is still a 2-3 win player going forward for as long as he can stay on the field. The other 3 (and any other big dollar FAs that may come along) have to either perform or be replaced without eating their entire contracts in order for the team to be any more successful than 2017 over the next few years. We've seen the variability that exists in a roster over the last couple years. That's not going to stop. Maybe guys like X, JBJ, MM, Beni, Devers, Betts improve over last year, and maybe they don't. I don't believe they're the key to outperforming 2017's end result. It's the guys you pay big money to for their track record of performance that have to sustain that through the majority of their contracts. Otherwise, it's a never-ending battle of trying to plug holes with low-cost options - an undesirable place to be for a team with a large payroll and thin farm system.

** -- I'm curious, does anybody know if/where preseason team batting projections can be found? I.e. without having to go through player by player, what were the 2017 Red Sox team OPS, HR, or runs scored projected to look like? 2018?
 

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I would take that wager in a heartbeat if you ran that based on their projected opening day roster. Because they were 26th in SLG and 12th in OBP due largely to the fact that they had 5 regulars (Moreland, Pedroia, Bogaerts, Bradley, Ramirez) and their top 2 utility players (Holt and Hernandez) who either missed significant time or played through injury.
That isn't what I said. I said a team that is 26th in SLG and 12th in OBP isn't likely to score that many runs if you were to simulate the season 100 times (or 1000 or 10000 or whatever) with them being 26th and 12th respectively each time. I expect they'll be better in 2018. They are certainly due for some positive regression. But getting up to an acceptable range for SLG will require more than regression, IMO.

They have a very short window in front of them and they can maximize their chances by spending some money. JD Martinez is exactly what they need exactly when they need it. They should be looking to field the best team they can right now, to try and win another title this year or next.
 

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The Sox team really struggled to hit at home this season too for some reason. Usually their home/road splits are much larger. Granted, they didn't really hit on the road either and the opposing team hit the same regardless of whether they were home or away so it's not Fenway Park. It ranked 11th in offense somehow. I thought maybe something in 2017 caused Fenway to play more like a pitchers park, but doesn't look to be the case.
 

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The opposing team had a .710 OPS at Fenway, but that had a lot to do with the Sox pitching. I have no idea how they do park factors but going off raw data, I'm not sure how Fenway finished 11th for hitting.
The park factor is the difference between the Sox Runs For and Opponent's Runs Against (that is the Sox Pitchers RA) at home vs the road.

For example:

Sox and their opponents combine for 800 runs at home and 700 on the road
 

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When you only score 2 runs each in half the games of a series you aren't going to win that series even if your starters show up. The offense wasn't good enough. They had exactly one big inning the entire series (the 7th of game 3).

And besides, they don't have the ability to improve the rotation much. They have a clear and simple path toward making a major improvement to the offense.
What if you score at 2, 2, 1, and 0 runs in 4 games of a 7 game series? That seems worse... Or 1, 2, and 1 in 3 of 7? The World Series champs managed to do that.

I don't have much argument with the bottom portion here (though it's certainly not clear and simple beyond 2019). But I don't see compelling evidence that says a team needs to be an elite slugging team to win a World Series. 5 of the last 10 World Series winners ranked between 10th and 18th in SLG during their championship years. Sure, it helps to have an elite offense (3 of the last 10 led the league in SLG, the other was 6th), but there are other ways to win. The offense needs to be better, but it should be regardless of any additional moves made.

That isn't what I said. I said a team that is 26th in SLG and 12th in OBP isn't likely to score that many runs if you were to simulate the season 100 times (or 1000 or 10000 or whatever) with them being 26th and 12th respectively each time. I expect they'll be better in 2018. They are certainly due for some positive regression. But getting up to an acceptable range for SLG will require more than regression, IMO.

They have a very short window in front of them and they can maximize their chances by spending some money. JD Martinez is exactly what they need exactly when they need it. They should be looking to field the best team they can right now, to try and win another title this year or next.
Ok, but that isn't the question at hand. The question is whether the 2018 Red Sox can be expected to score a similar amount of runs as 2017 and/or be good enough offensively to compete for a championship. Unless you expect them to be 26th in SLG and 12th in OBP again, those ranks don't really matter much. Using what they were projected for last year or this, I'd think they can reliably be expected to be one of the higher scoring teams in the league. What would be an acceptable range for SLG or offense be? Signing JDM certainly improves the offense. Depending on surrounding moves (i.e. swapping him for JBJ), it may not be a huge overall improvement to the team. I think it's fair to point out it may only be an improvement to an area merely perceived to be where the team must make drastic improvement in order to contend. It also adds another huge contract to an already bloated payroll, forcing "the window" of the current roster closed after 2019.
 

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The window closes after 2019 no matter what. Maybe they win a wild card in 2020, but they won't be serious contenders for the division because they can't keep this roster together. Sure, the money they give to JDM could be used, in part, to try and extend Sale but they're not gonna be able to keep all of Pomeranz, Porcello, Kimbrel, JBJ, Bogaerts and Mookie around no matter what they do or don't do this winter.

So why not maximize your chances for the next two years by adding that big bat? The time for balancing long term winning (the next 4 to 5 years) with short term ended after the Moncada trade. Dombrowski went all in on a 3 year window (which started in 2017). Taking half measures now makes no sense.
 

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I agree with "the Muff", and expect DD to insure the addition of JDM. Will he take other measures to bolster pitching (lefty relief) or more power (first base complement with Moreland?).
 

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The window closes after 2019 no matter what. Maybe they win a wild card in 2020, but they won't be serious contenders for the division because they can't keep this roster together. Sure, the money they give to JDM could be used, in part, to try and extend Sale but they're not gonna be able to keep all of Pomeranz, Porcello, Kimbrel, JBJ, Bogaerts and Mookie around no matter what they do or don't do this winter.

So why not maximize your chances for the next two years by adding that big bat? The time for balancing long term winning (the next 4 to 5 years) with short term ended after the Moncada trade. Dombrowski went all in on a 3 year window (which started in 2017). Taking half measures now makes no sense.
I don't think we should assume that the window closes after next year. Even if we can't afford to keep all of these guys, we should be able to keep several of them - Betts and Sale being most important, at least as seen from the current vantage point - but that doesn't mean that we can't or won't be able to backfill some of these positions in other ways. Although the farm is weaker than it has been (a lot of that is because Beni and Devers have graduated, and Mookie, X, JBJ and ERod before them (and the Sale deal, of course)).there's still some chance that it may bear some fruit in two years time - a lot can happen. And there will still be some of the young core under control. So I would not be so quick to run up the white flag just yet. Which is one of the main reasons why I don't want to overpay for JDM.
 

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What if Devers and Benintendi are stars? What if Groome becomes an ace and Erod reaches his full potential? This team isnt necessarily "done" in 2020
 

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How about a subsidized Braun to DH and 4th OF? 4/$78 left on his deal. Beats overpaying for JDM. Although, he has 10-5 rights.