The Patriots 'All-Dynasty' Team

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Head coach: Bill Belichick
Defensive line: Richard Seymour, Ty Warren, Vince Wilfork
Outside linebacker: Willie McGinest, Mike Vrabel, Rob Ninkovich
Inside linebacker: Tedy Bruschi, Dont'a Hightower, Roman Phifer
Cornerback: Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Stephon Gilmore
Safety: Rodney Harrison, Patrick Chung, Devin McCourty
Quarterback: Tom Brady
Running back: Kevin Faulk, Corey Dillon, James White
Fullback: James Develin
Wide receiver: Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman, Troy Brown
Tight end: Rob Gronkowski, Daniel Graham
Tackle: Matt Light, Sebastian Vollmer, Nate Solder
Guard: Logan Mankins, Joe Andruzzi, Joe Thuney
Center: Dan Koppen
Kicker: Adam Vinatieri
Punter: Ryan Allen
Kickoff returner: Bethel Johnson, Ellis Hobbs
Punt returner: Julian Edelman
Special teamer: Matthew Slater, Larry Izzo
Long Snapper: Lonie Paxton, Joe Cardona
Honorable-mention selections: ILB Jerod Mayo, S Lawyer Milloy, G Stephen Neal, G Shaq Mason, C David Andrews, K Stephen Gostkowski, RB LeGarrette Blount, WR Danny Amendola

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2 long snappers, 1 quarterback ... sums it up pretty well
 

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I may have given Deion Branch an honorable mention, but other than that, I can't quibble with any of those picks.
 
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Very solid list. Only other thing I'd quibble with is replacing Asante Samuel with Malcolm Butler, but that's a close call for me.
 

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Very solid list. Only other thing I'd quibble with is replacing Asante Samuel with Malcolm Butler, but that's a close call for me.
Butler didn't even merit an HM, apparently. Don't know the criteria for honorable mentions, but Butler and Branch would seem to be snubs ... as much as something like this actually matters.
 

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Although I must say Daniel Graham did a very nice job here and was +2 on Super Bowl rings, a very reliable red zone target, as well as helping spring Corey Dillon for over 1600 yards in 2004 with his edge blocking.

Agreed with the Branch snub, don't know if I could put Butler close enough to the main group of cornerbacks for honorable mention though.
 

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No HM for Chandler Jones or Rosie Colvin, I’d have included them.

Also, while Dillon had the best single season, I feel like LGBT contributed more in total.
 

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Ben Watson should have made it over Daniel Graham, really as stated above Hernandez should have made it over either, but totally understandable why they didn't want to put him on the team.
 

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Guess they did scrub the place clean after all:

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Although I must say Daniel Graham did a very nice job here and was +2 on Super Bowl rings, a very reliable red zone target, as well as helping spring Corey Dillon for over 1600 yards in 2004 with his edge blocking.

Agreed with the Branch snub, don't know if I could put Butler close enough to the main group of cornerbacks for honorable mention though.
AHerb played in 38 games and didn't win any Super Bowls. Wasn't part of either dynasty.

I have Watson over Graham though.
 

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No HM for Chandler Jones or Rosie Colvin, I’d have included them.

Also, while Dillon had the best single season, I feel like LGBT contributed more in total.
I would include Chandler if for no other reason as there's only 3 DL on the team and they all played tackle at least part of the time, unlike Chandler.
 

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Branch did win Super Bowl MVP. Definitely deserves an honorable mention over both Blount and Amendola, although 'Dola played a huge part in the Pats later playoff runs.

Butler would be the 4th DB after Law, Samuel, and Gilmore, but he was pretty good for 3 more seasons after the INT.
 

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I thought Mayo had a really high-impact career with the Patriots. Surprised to see he only got one ring, and that was while on IR (2014). I would have started him over Phifer, but rings.
 

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am I the only person who thought Gostkowski deserved the nod over Vinatieri?

I mean, probably. But longevity and accuracy over a few clutch playoff kicks, for me.
 

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Ben Watson should have made it over Daniel Graham, really as stated above Hernandez should have made it over either, but totally understandable why they didn't want to put him on the team.
Disagree. Watson had a ton of talent but never lived up to the hype IMO. His signature play is the Champ Bailey tackle but he had stone hands for a while there. Graham was much more dynamic especially as an inline blocker.

I admit that I’m biased by the Colorado connection with Graham (he was part of the Nebraska thrashing in 2001), and Watson missed the rings.
 

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It‘s not close to fair, but I can’t help think about Butler’s interception that clinched a Super Bowl compared to Samuels’ drop that could have clinched the Scottish Game.

I know. One play.
 

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It‘s not close to fair, but I can’t help think about Butler’s interception that clinched a Super Bowl compared to Samuels’ drop that could have clinched the Scottish Game.

I know. One play.
Same Welker v Edelman. Ones a champ. The other isn’t n
 

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Disagree. Watson had a ton of talent but never lived up to the hype IMO. His signature play is the Champ Bailey tackle but he had stone hands for a while there. Graham was much more dynamic especially as an inline blocker.

I admit that I’m biased by the Colorado connection with Graham (he was part of the Nebraska thrashing in 2001), and Watson missed the rings.
Watson has a ring from SB XXXIX
 

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am I the only person who thought Gostkowski deserved the nod over Vinatieri?

I mean, probably. But longevity and accuracy over a few clutch playoff kicks, for me.
Go back and watch the Tuck Rule game again. I think John Madden called the tying FG among the most difficult kicks ever made in NFL history.
 

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I’d put Branch over Edelman at WR (since he is already in as a returner) and Watson over Graham.
Yeah, no way. Edelman was an essential player in the Atlanta and Seattle SB's and was an important part of the offense in the run to the latest SB victory.

Also, Edelman has about 7000 yards receiving with the Pats, whereas Branch is at about 4300.
 

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Yeah, no way. Edelman was an essential player in the Atlanta and Seattle SB's and was an important part of the offense in the run to the latest SB victory.
im not saying Edelman isn’t on the team. I’m just saying this gets one more guy in

If Edelman wasn’t on as a returner 100% he is over Branch
 

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Yeah, no way. Edelman was an essential player in the Atlanta and Seattle SB's and was an important part of the offense in the run to the latest SB victory.

Also, Edelman has about 7000 yards receiving with the Pats, whereas Branch is at about 4300.
I'll take Edelman over Branch any day, but while he was a beast against Seattle and the Rams, he sucked against Atlanta and that crazy catch ended up changing the story of a game in which he caught 5 out of 13 targets.
 

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im not saying Edelman isn’t on the team. I’m just saying this gets one more guy in

If Edelman wasn’t on as a returner 100% he is over Branch
Okay, I see. You'd include both. However, that would make it appear that Branch was valued over Edelman at WR.

And to be honest, if we're only considering the dynasty years, you can make a strong argument that Branch should have made it over Troy Brown (but I understand why they selected Brown over Branch).
 

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I'll take Edelman over Branch any day, but while he was a beast against Seattle and the Rams, he sucked against Atlanta and that crazy catch ended up changing the story of a game in which he caught 5 out of 13 targets.
Fair enough, but he also had 100+ yard receiving games in the playoffs that year against Pittsburgh and Houston.
 

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It's not really a "team" in the sense that the roster isn't constructed as you would a roster to actually play a game, so why not just include another WR? I understand that you have to draw lines, but 5 WRs makes a whole lot more sense than two long snappers and while I can't argue to keep any of the other four off, it just seems wrong not to have Branch on there.

Other than that hard to argue with the rest of the team.
 

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Troy Brown could be in at returner. He only had one really strong season at WR in the dynasty era - but it was a great one (2001). Branch absolutely has to be on that list for it to be valid. I would say the same about Chandler Jones. He's probably going to be fitted for a gold jacket when he retires. He's definitely on my all-Dynasty team.
 

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Troy Brown could be in at returner. He only had one really strong season at WR in the dynasty era - but it was a great one (2001). Branch absolutely has to be on that list for it to be valid. I would say the same about Chandler Jones. He's probably going to be fitted for a gold jacket when he retires. He's definitely on my all-Dynasty team.
Chandler Jones has done his best work elsewhere though. I would argue Trey Flowers should be a HM at least. Both those guys were better than Ninkovich, though they didn't play for NE as long.
 

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Oh, he's generally been awesome in the playoffs, I just always found it ironic that his greatest postseason highlight came in arguably his worst performance.
This is now fully into nit-picking territory, but I didn't think he sucked in that game so much as that Brady was not very good in throwing to him. I remember him missing Edelman going right to left down the near sideline in the 3rd quarter, he had him wide open. I think Brady led him into a vicious hit on the 1st or 2nd drive. Edelman didn't separate all that well in the game, but Brady did not pick the best spots to throw to him, or when he did, did not throw great passes.
 

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Chandler Jones has done his best work elsewhere though. I would argue Trey Flowers should be a HM at least. Both those guys were better than Ninkovich, though they didn't play for NE as long.
Was Flowers better than Ninkovich, though? I think Nink is vastly underrated by Pats fans, he was a pretty productive defensive player after he became a starter, he wasn't just a lunch pail guy who wouldn't miss tackles, dude made plays every year. He basically had Flowers' average yearly production for twice the amount of time.
 

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Was Flowers better than Ninkovich, though? I think Nink is vastly underrated by Pats fans, he was a pretty productive defensive player after he became a starter, he wasn't just a lunch pail guy who wouldn't miss tackles, dude made plays every year. He basically had Flowers' average yearly production for twice the amount of time.
Ninkovich was more versatile and played for NE a lot longer, but Flowers was a lot better pass rusher IMO. It didn't always manifest itself in big sack numbers, but the dude could win one-on-one reps all over the DL. He wreaked havoc in the SB against Atlanta, including maybe the most underrated defensive play of the dynasty (a 12-yard sack to take ATL from easy field goal range to borderline after the long completion to Julio).
 

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Okay, I'll be "that guy." Shouldn't the wide receiver debate really be Branch vs Moss?
 

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The solution is to dump Welker, TBH. He was great but the system was perfect for him and he benefitted from Randy Moss on the other side.

One of those guys has no rings. Sucks, but that’s how I’d get Branch on the list.