The Pre-Game Thread: Wk.2 at Seahawks

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Given how good Wilson & Co. looked, this seems like Vegas really liking what it saw in Cam yesterday.

Gilmore vs. Metcalf and Cam vs. Jamal Adams are the 2 key matchups for me. I think NE's OL can handle Seattle's front-7.

This may come down to limiting TOs and ST stealing enough hidden yardage to keep it tight. I feel much better about this game than before but it will be tough to come away with a road win.
 

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It seems like Pete Carroll and his OC finally got the message to let Wilson pass more out of the gate, than forcing the run.
 

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What does Vegas seem to be doing with home field advantage so far this year? I always figured that crowd noise was a significant part of that advantage, moreso than travel or familiarity with the field or whatever else.
 

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To me Russ Wilson is a top 2 QB in this league right now. It's either him or Mahomes. Russ is one of the most accurate passers in any scenario. If you all get a second listen to Dwain McFarland and Matt Waldman on Waldman's podcast (The RSP Pod). Wilson is a top 5 QB in accuracy over ever. single. accuracy. stat. No other QB is top 5 in more than 4. I think there are a total of 9 of them. Wilson also has a ridiculous number for TD%. He has 6 seasons over 6%. Tom Brady only has 4. Part of that is because Seattle runs the ball more of course but part of that is because Wilson is that good. I am not saying he is better than the GOAT but I am saying Wilson is on pace to be considered in the top QBs of all time.

Seattle has some damn good receivers. Lockett from the slot is fast, catches anything you throw him, and is a great route runner. DK Metcalf is a physical freak on the outside. Greg Olsen is fantastic at dominating the seam and he can still run a good seam route in his advanced age. They have a pretty deep RB corps lead by an above-average Chris Carson and lots of volume. Seattle uses a lot of 11 personnel, about 73%. I think Jon Jones will take on Lockett, Gilmore on DK, and some 3 safety looks.
 

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Wilson also has a ridiculous number for TD%. He has 6 seasons over 6%. Tom Brady only has 4. Part of that is because Seattle runs the ball more of course but part of that is because Wilson is that good.
I agree that Wilson should be in the conversation as best QB in the league but this is a really weird stat to care about.
All that means is you are on a team that runs a lot and you don't make a ton of mistakes.

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"Chase is a versatile player. Can do a lot for us. We always talk about making that 2nd year jump. You're not a rookie anymore, you're a vet, and you need to play like it. He did a great job in Week 1."
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He seems to think the list of teams that almost beat the Patriots in big games in the last 20 years is exclusive. Turns out it isn't really.

Also, in related news the Rockies were 2-1 against the Red Sox during the regular year in 2008.
 

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Also in related news, the Pats lost by 7 in one loss when they couldn’t punch it in from the one foot line (and Gronk got PI’d) and lost by 1 in the other game after having a 13 point lead while also getting hosed out of 3 points at the end of the first half on a literally unprecedented grounding call.

They’ve both been great teams. They could easily be 3-0 or 0-3 against each other. The margin has been razor thin.
 

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I like Keene being available. I want to see what they cook up with him.
 

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Do we know that he would have suited up if he hadn't been banged up (cf: Uche)?
I'm also dubious. Asiasi is a lot more pro-ready and he barely played.
I mean, no. I cannot guess what BB is going to do.

But Keene *was* banged up last week, not a healthy scratch. We play a better team this week and word from Pats beat guys is they are going to change up the game plan a bit after it was pretty vanilla last week.
 

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I mean, no. I cannot guess what BB is going to do.

But Keene *was* banged up last week, not a healthy scratch. We play a better team this week and word from Pats beat guys is they are going to change up the game plan a bit after it was pretty vanilla last week.
I'm sure they'll mix it up, but with no preseason, Belichick seems to be easing in pretty much all the rookies (he isn't big on just throwing rookies out there even in years with a normal offseason). Tight end is one of the most complicated positions on the offense, and Keene is facing a major adjustment from his college scheme / role. I think if he can get active, they'll scheme up a few touches because he's great with the ball in his hands, but I'd expect him to be inactive most weeks.
 

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10 snaps. All the rookies got eased in though; Onwenu played 22 snaps, Dugger 11, Jennings and Taylor 9, Herron 2. Even on STs, Dugger at 8 snaps was the only rookie to play more than 5 (Onwenu played 4, Taylor 3).
I'm just hoping by the second half of the season that the rookies are impacting the game at some kind of level. Honestly, it looks like Onwenu has the biggest role of everyone being the extra tackle in packages. After seeing him on Sunday, I'm pretty high on his long-term viability on this team. I think he could be the RT next year or the LG if Thuney leaves.
 

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Pats not favored in a regular season game for the first time in three years, which is ludicrous.

Edit: Sorry four years, even more ludicrous

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The Patriots currently are pegged as 4-point underdogs for this week's game at Seattle. It's the first time they haven't been favored in a regular-season game since Week 1 of the 2016 season, when they won in Arizona as 9-point dogs with Jimmy Garoppolo.
 

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10 snaps. All the rookies got eased in though; Onwenu played 22 snaps, Dugger 11, Jennings and Taylor 9, Herron 2. Even on STs, Dugger at 8 snaps was the only rookie to play more than 5 (Onwenu played 4, Taylor 3).
Okay, thank you. I'm excited to see whether he becomes a viable target.
 

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Yeah, this is an especially fun time of year given the lack of a preseason. All the reports and speculation pre-draft and post-draft on rookies and we now finally get to see them in the Pats' scheme going against NFL players. Taylor was terrific squirting through the line again and again. Love this type of player and really happy that we might have found one who's useful.
 

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Pats not favored in a regular season game for the first time in three years, which is ludicrous.

Edit: Sorry four years, even more ludicrous

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The Patriots currently are pegged as 4-point underdogs for this week's game at Seattle. It's the first time they haven't been favored in a regular-season game since Week 1 of the 2016 season, when they won in Arizona as 9-point dogs with Jimmy Garoppolo.
Ludicrous is the word. What was the last Brady start where they weren’t favored in regular season?

edit: apparently 2014 week 13 @GB
 

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The next week they were in SD on SNF. They gave up a 50 yard slant to Jordy Nelson with like 10 seconds left in the first half for a back breaking TD.
 

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Ludicrous is the word. What was the last Brady start where they weren’t favored in regular season?

edit: apparently 2014 week 13 @GB
That was the game where Dorito Dink 1 saw Dorito Dink 2 on the sideline on tv and texted him he needed to "deflate".
 

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I can't wait for this game. Two great organizations with a short but memorable history. Two great coaches. Two great QBs.

Cam vs. Russ has a bit of a history too, including two matchups in the playoffs. They split those two playoff games, but Russ usually got the best of those Panthers teams, winning 5 out of 6 in the regular season. The games were usually pretty close, but Seattle always seemed to make the big plays down the stretch.

I think we could see a bit of a reversal of how both teams played last week. Wouldn't be shocked to see Seattle revert back to their old, ground and pound form. Russ carved up a bad Falcons pass defense last week, but the Pats are a completely different beast. They'll still let Russ cook a bit, because you have to, but I'm not so sure they'll throw the ball as much on early downs this week. Pats have to prevent big plays to Metcalf.

Along similar lines, I'd be surprised if the Pats offense runs the ball 65% of the time again. You never know with them, but I would suspect that they want to attack a fairly weak Seattle secondary. Would expect to see the Pats get a little more aggressive with some downfield shots and misdirection scheme stuff in the passing game to try and get some big plays. There was some stuff there this past Sunday that didn't end up materializing, but I think part of that was Cam and McDaniels being a little more safe and conservative for week one, which makes sense.

I hate Sunday night games because I'm guaranteed to feel like ass when that alarm goes off at 5:15 am, but I think it might be worth it for this one. Should be fun. As long as the Pats fight and play competitively, I'll be happy regardless of the outcome. Having an empty stadium seems like a pretty decent break for the Pats, as Seattle is one of the loudest places in the NFL.