I buy this.Welp, can only surmise they believe now they have young contributors, a restocked farm and some room to maneuver in the market but don't have trust in Bloom as the guy that can put together a contender.
I completely and 100% agree with this.ust feels like they really don't know what kind of club they want to have
No need to rehash Mookie, but I totally agree that the Red Sox ownership has blown their own foot off with several bad decisions over the last couple years. If they were winning shit loads of games then great, but a mediocre and boring product and a losing team is a recipe for disinterest.2) They saw 3 last place finishes in 4 years, ownership becoming very unpopular (they did that themselves with mookie and Orsillo) and said "we need a fall guy, screw the 5 year plan"
Yeah, please don't hire a win now/trade the farn Dombrowski type,If they think they can find someone to execute the same game plan more effectively, then okay. If this is yet another zig-zag, it's a disastrous mistake.
Agreed. But at least get someone who knows and understands the value of the far system. Not someone who will pick up the phone and trade Mayer for someone in order to shoot for the WS in 2024.Like I said in the other thread, this was coming. He rebuilt the farm, but the team is ready to take the next step of acquiring impact talent from outside the org and they must not think Chaim is the guy to do it.
I hate this move for precisely this reason.Genuinely shocked.
If there's a pattern, it could be that JWH likes different GMs for rebuilds and contention windows. Cherington~Bloom | Dombrowski~???
Unlike his predecessors (Sandoval, Castillo, Sale, I genuinely can't point to a big mistake in the Bloom era. Story? I think it's too soon to say.
Pile of crap seems a bit much. Devers, Betts, Bogaerts, Sale, Eovaldi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Benintendi, Vazquez were decent players.It's funny seeing the reaction on Reddit from other fanbases being "wtf are the Red Sox doing firing this guy" and the reaction here being "but he didn't turn the pile of crap he was left with into a World Series contender when he was told to trade away his best player". We are truly a spoiled fanbase.
I can’t believe they actually pulled the trigger. Maybe they agreed with Pete Abe’s column today at
Horrendous.I am very, very down on Bloom, but this makes no sense. To the extent he had a plan, next year was when it was going to come to fruition -- the young bucks were going to start rounding into form. Ownership saddled Bloom with the Sale contract and trading Mookie, then dispatched him just when his work was going to bear fruit. I don't get it.
I reckon the Sox thought by hiring Bloom they could get in on the pitching development that has worked so well for the Rays. Whereas, he just brought in some broken pitchers to add to the broken Sale. Pitching is the Sox bete noir, no matter how well they may have pitched well on any occasion.I just hope whoever comes in has "fix the fucking pitching pipeline" as a mandate.
I don't think Bloom was dealt a great hand when he got here, and he has done some good things. But at the end of the day I think you are right about the Peter Principle.In the end I feel Chaim was an example of the Peter Principle in action. He could identify prospects and help with a farm system, but he struggled with identifying and scouting major league talent and could not do the most important job of a GM: put a winner on the field.
Yes, let's blame the 2020 Red Sox on Chaim Bloom.Put together three last-place teams that all have the same fundamental problems and it's no surprise that Bloom is out of a job. The only part of the gig he did well was build a farm system, and the jury is still mostly out on the results from the bulk of the players he's drafted or acquired. I think it's pretty clear that free agency and managing a major league roster are significant weak points for him. Seems like he's just not cut out to be The Guy at the top of an org chart.
If anything all the various 2024 roster/core posts around here have made clear, it's that the vaunted young depth that Bloom has been building since he took over still isn't ready to play a significant role. Four years of cycling through pitchers has resulted in one above-average starter in Bello and a bunch of guys who look like relievers or swingmen. Where is the Rays-esque pitching development that was part and parcel of hiring Bloom? The blame goes beyond him, but he simply wasn't delivering at the major league level, and I don't think there was much reason to expect better in 2024. Granted, that'll be a problem for the next guy, too, and this is where I hope that the plan isn't simply to hand the reigns off to O'Halloran and keep things status quo.I figured he would get 2024, but I'm surprised that people are surprised. You dont get mulligans on putting together competitive teams over and over again.
He did improve the minor league system, but four years in and realistically its still really hard to see the path to winning 90+ games a year absent massive spending this offseason. Pretty fair to question whether hes the correct guy to execute on that.
It'll be interesting to see if Alex Cora emerges as one of the candidates to run Boston's baseball operations. He has a broad range of experience, and others in the organization felt he increased his presence in the player development this year.
It's funny seeing the reaction on Reddit from other fanbases being "wtf are the Red Sox doing firing this guy" and the reaction here being "but he didn't turn the pile of crap he was left with into a World Series contender when he was told to trade away his best player". We are truly a spoiled fanbase.
If this is the case then why are we pussyfooting around the fucking luxury tax threshold?
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Red Sox are pleased to announce their next Presdient of Baseball Operations...Mr. Brian CashmanSo what are the realistic options out there?
This is a great post and this is what I am thinking (both paragraphs). I also buy into the idea that Bloom was too deliberate..to the point that nothing ended up being doneI wonder if the discussions between Bloom and ownership the last two trade deadlines are a piece of this—because they made a bad call each time. Whether that bad call is ownership saying “go for it” and Bloom resisting or the opposite will be interesting to see if we get insight into.
I was generally supportive of Bloom and also do wonder if he’s really an “A” exec rather than a “B”. If that’s Henry’s assessment I’m all for going for an “A” ti finish the job.
I think the new guy should be given the opportunity to make that decision. If Cora's his choice so be it, but not giving the new CBO that opportunity seems to be starting things off on the wrong foot.I am not sure about that. The FO may think that Cora was put in an awful position vis-a-vis the pitching options.
In retrospect, not trading James Paxton may have sealed his fate. It's one thing to not compete for the playoffs, but quite another to lose a potentially valuable chit for nothing due to inaction.This is a great post and this is what I am thinking (both paragraphs). I also buy into the idea that Bloom was too deliberate..to the point that nothing ended up being done