Agreed on all counts. He was bad, and for a supposed draft expert he had some wild misses.
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I hope Mahoney takes over the Mismatch but Mahoney has been so great. KOC moving on to fantasy articles seems right to me.
New Harvilla pod announced:
https://www.theringer.com/2024/9/25/24253965/introducing-60-songs-that-explain-the-90s-the-2000s
https://www.theringer.com/2024/9/25/24253965/introducing-60-songs-that-explain-the-90s-the-2000s
Yeah what's funny is that I only came across the Lowe news I posted in the ESPN thread because Simmons was trending on twitter...
View: https://twitter.com/rBillSimmonsPod/status/1839340682978484354
Sounds like Goldsberry is back with Bill soon according to the pod where they didn't say it was happening but alluded to multiple times. That's a HUGE upgrade on KOC, good lord.
Possible for a Dope to shuffle the 60 Songs posts to a separate thread? Thinking it’s amassed enough of its own gravity at this point, and while it is a Ringer podcast, it’s not on the Ringer feed. Which probably only matters to us Boomers.
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The Amy pod was so good.
trying to figure out what else will be on this season. I doubt he sticks to 60. But here’s some predictions…
Bombs over Baghdad or Ms Jackson (or both! God I have to listen to Stankonia today.)
Paper Planes
Seven Nation Army
Sugar We’re Goin Down
Banquet
Just Dance or Poker Face
Day N Nite (Crookers Remix)
I Kissed a Girl
Since U Been Gone
Before He Cheats
One More Time
Ignition (Remix) (kidding. But it should be.)
The Next Episode or Still DRE or Drop It Like It’s Hot
In Da Club
Hollaback Girl
Crazy
Get Ur Freak On
Hey Ya! (We need at least two Outkast songs!)
Young Folks
What You Know
Last Nite
Crazy In Love
…but also Say My Name
Take Me Out
Wolf Like Me
Party Hard
I Gotta Feeling
99 Problems or Empire State of Mind
Call On Me
We Are Your Friends
Oxford Comma
Yeah! or Get Low (or both)
Bleeding L
Milkshake
Toxic and/or Oops! I Did It Again
Get This Party Started
Can’t Get You Out Of My Head
Jesus Walks or Good Life or Through The Wire
All My Friends
Float On
American Idiot
Fallin
Dont Cha
The Way You Move (okay at least three Outkast songs!)
A Milli or Lollipop
New York, New York by Ryan Adams, or even better Dancing Where The Stars Go Blue or Oh My Sweet Carolina. But the 9/11 song still goes hard.
Something by Radiohead
Something by Nelly
Maps
Rebellion (Lies)
Umbrella
Intl Players Anthem
In The End or Numb
Something by Girl Talk HAS to make the cut. Hell, put all of Night Ripper on there. Or do Stroke of Genie-us as it was the first “big” mashup — I have it on vinyl somewhere.
Lose Yourself
Use Somebody
Welcome to Jamrock
Clocks
Ante Up
Time To Pretend or Electric Feel
D.A.N.C.E.
Promiscuous or The Way I Are or Apologize — something from that Timbaland run
Something by Justin Timberlake — SexyBack or My Love or Cry Me A River
…but also maybe Bye Bye Bye?
I Bet That You Look Good On The Dancefloor
Hung Up
Feel Good Inc
How You Remind Me
should probably have an Avalanches song and a Sufjan song too but that’s gonna go over some heads.
probably Can’t Stop by RHCP?
kinda need some more country music on there… so Save A Horse, Ride A Cowboy or Need You Now.
need more electronic music, so Pressure by Mylo?
Okay he’s got to do more than 60 again. Ha.
I don’t think I’ve ever edited a post more…
trying to figure out what else will be on this season. I doubt he sticks to 60. But here’s some predictions…
Bombs over Baghdad or Ms Jackson (or both! God I have to listen to Stankonia today.)
Paper Planes
Seven Nation Army
Sugar We’re Goin Down
Banquet
Just Dance or Poker Face
Day N Nite (Crookers Remix)
I Kissed a Girl
Since U Been Gone
Before He Cheats
One More Time
Ignition (Remix) (kidding. But it should be.)
The Next Episode or Still DRE or Drop It Like It’s Hot
In Da Club
Hollaback Girl
Crazy
Get Ur Freak On
Hey Ya! (We need at least two Outkast songs!)
Young Folks
What You Know
Last Nite
Crazy In Love
…but also Say My Name
Take Me Out
Wolf Like Me
Party Hard
I Gotta Feeling
99 Problems or Empire State of Mind
Call On Me
We Are Your Friends
Oxford Comma
Yeah! or Get Low (or both)
Bleeding L
Milkshake
Toxic and/or Oops! I Did It Again
Get This Party Started
Can’t Get You Out Of My Head
Jesus Walks or Good Life or Through The Wire
All My Friends
Float On
American Idiot
Fallin
Dont Cha
The Way You Move (okay at least three Outkast songs!)
A Milli or Lollipop
New York, New York by Ryan Adams, or even better Dancing Where The Stars Go Blue or Oh My Sweet Carolina. But the 9/11 song still goes hard.
Something by Radiohead
Something by Nelly
Maps
Rebellion (Lies)
Umbrella
Intl Players Anthem
In The End or Numb
Something by Girl Talk HAS to make the cut. Hell, put all of Night Ripper on there. Or do Stroke of Genie-us as it was the first “big” mashup — I have it on vinyl somewhere.
Lose Yourself
Use Somebody
Welcome to Jamrock
Clocks
Ante Up
Time To Pretend or Electric Feel
D.A.N.C.E.
Promiscuous or The Way I Are or Apologize — something from that Timbaland run
Something by Justin Timberlake — SexyBack or My Love or Cry Me A River
…but also maybe Bye Bye Bye?
I Bet That You Look Good On The Dancefloor
Hung Up
Feel Good Inc
How You Remind Me
should probably have an Avalanches song and a Sufjan song too but that’s gonna go over some heads.
probably Can’t Stop by RHCP?
kinda need some more country music on there… so Save A Horse, Ride A Cowboy or Need You Now.
need more electronic music, so Pressure by Mylo?
Okay he’s got to do more than 60 again. Ha.
I don’t think I’ve ever edited a post more…
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This decade overlaps my run at VH1, and will stir up a ton of memories. Adding a few more to @CaptainLaddie 's amazing list (and I can't recall every artists already covered in 90s so I may overlap a few there)...
TEEN POP HITS -- the MTV genre of most of the decade.
CL mentioned Toxic, but I think Oops I Did It Again might be the Britney choice
Bye Bye Bye
Hips Don't Lie
Tik Tok
Poker Face
Yeah
ADULT HITS -- the VH1 genre for most of the decade
Drops of Jupiter -- really hope this is in there. It's a fabulous pop song.
Stacy's Mom
The Remedy
Crazy
We Belong Together
All I Wanna Do
Chasing Cars
Reptilla? Some Strokes song
Fix You
TV THEME SONGS
Come Clean
You Had a Bad Day
Get Crazy
How to Save a Life
Since U Been Gone kind of fits as it can tell the American Idol story. "Home" could be another way to go, but not much resonance there.
Vertigo -- that Apple commerical
HIP HOP BROAD HITS [I expect he'll have a purer hip hop selection, know my list is mostly pretty poppy]
CL's Jesus Walks is a better pick and a better story, but I can also see Golddigger
Hot in Herre
Umbrella
Lean Back
Kiss Kiss or Run It
Lollipop
GOOD STORY, OFF THE BEATEN PATH
Hurt
9-11 INSPIRED
Laddie had both my picks: Empire State of Mind, or Ryan Adams' New York
COUNTRY HITS
Faith Hill's Cry, or Shania's I'm Gonna Gitcha Good
GREAT SONGS TO MAKE FUN OF ("The Macarena" was an exceptional episode of 90s)
I Gotta Feeling
How Do You Remind Me (no way there isn't a Nickelback episode in there somewhere)
With Arms Wide Open
Thong Song
... and the 100% "I bet my life it'll be included and I wouldn't miss it for the world": Trapped in the Closet
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Jesus god how did I leave Golddigger off!??
Great call on We Belong Together and the TV stuff, that's a blindspot of mine for sure -- but I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell that Since U Been Gone isn't on the list. And incredible pick for Trapped In The Closet. I can also see Ridin' by Chamillionaire.... and White N Nerdy possibly making it.
And GREAT call on Creed, Train, and the VH1 stuff.
Great call on We Belong Together and the TV stuff, that's a blindspot of mine for sure -- but I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell that Since U Been Gone isn't on the list. And incredible pick for Trapped In The Closet. I can also see Ridin' by Chamillionaire.... and White N Nerdy possibly making it.
And GREAT call on Creed, Train, and the VH1 stuff.
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Oh fuck me. Yeah.
I'm also forgetting a lot of the Brit stuff. Lily Allen, for example. I can see Rob having a good time talking about Smile. Or something off Original Pirate Material by The Streets. Fred Again.. doesn't exist without The Streets.
And god, more songs he could do...
Stay Fly by Three Six Mafia
What Happened To That Boy or Grindin by the Clipse
Cupid's Chokehold by Gym Class Heroes
Snow Patrol? Interpol? Annie - Heartbeat? Faithless - No Sleep?
Avril?
I could see him even doing one on Scissor Sisters...
The biggest song of 2024 is basically a cover of J-Kwon's Tipsy.
I've spent way too long thinking about this today.
Oh God yeah that was definitely a thing.
Side note, one of the best covers ever is by a DC go-go band, Rare Essence.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0EorNrwZVo
Foo Fighters - Best Of You? Arguably the biggest rock band of the decade, after all.
Taylor Swift - Love Story?
Pitbull? Jamie Foxx - Blame It?
..... Party in the USA? Akon? Keith Urban? Zac Brown Band? T-Pain?
Natasha Bedingfield kinda had a huge moment -- Unwritten is a massive song right now thanks to TikTok.
I forgot that fucking Drake had "Best I Ever Had" come out in 2009.
Eiffel 65's Blue came out in 1999, same with The Bad Touch, but both got big in 2000.
Christ. I have no clue how Rob whittles this down.
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Since U Been Gone with a 30 minute intro on Maps.
Buy You A Drank / auto tune episode
So Icy
Grindin'
Sufan's Chicago... pitchfork core
Stay Fly with the Girl Talk intro lol
Are you gonna be my girl? (Jet/Vines strokes knockoff era)
The country song is 100% going to be "Courtesy Of The Red, White And Blue"
Buy You A Drank / auto tune episode
So Icy
Grindin'
Sufan's Chicago... pitchfork core
Stay Fly with the Girl Talk intro lol
Are you gonna be my girl? (Jet/Vines strokes knockoff era)
The country song is 100% going to be "Courtesy Of The Red, White And Blue"
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This will be great because 2000-2009 was the last decade of ubiquitous, mainstream pop before music splintered off into a million fragmented pieces. 2004 has a lot more in common with 1994 and 1984 than it does with 2024 in that regard.
Has he said how many songs he’s going to do?
Has he said how many songs he’s going to do?
Today I learned the the #1 song in America is a country song performed by a Nigerian-American, and it has been the #1 song for 14 straight weeks, and I've never heard of it or him.
Well then today I learned that too!
I wasn’t even saying that in a “good ol’ days” nostalgia trip kind of way. It’s just an impossibly different music landscape than it was even 15 years ago.
I don’t think years from now someone could do a podcast like this for my kids. Because they’d have no earthly clue what half the “60 songs that explain the 2020s” even are.
It's funny that you say this. It's an ongoing discussion point with my friends in the DJ world.
Some of the biggest songs in nightclubs right now are Unwritten by Natasha Bedingfield, Get Busy / Temperature by Sean Paul, and Better Off Alone by Alice Deejay. The thing is that they all slip into mixes comfortably with songs released last week because the production values are basically the same in 2004 as they are in 2024 -- but a song from 1984 sounds like it was recorded in the 60s, compared to something from 2004 (save a few songs, like Sweet Dreams or stuff by MJ/Prince). The production quality of Since U Been Gone is really no different from anything Dr. Luke has produced this year (that's part of the reason, honestly, that guys like Max Martin and Dr. Luke have owned pop music for over two decades), so they all kinda fit together.
I do agree that pop music has really splintered -- especially since 2020 or so. Hip-Hop is in its hair metal phase right now -- most of it is completely unlistenable to me, and while I'm not the target audience for stuff like Playboi Carti, but even in 2019 there was still a TON of good hip-hop being made -- now only women are making danceable hip-hop records.
And I imagine he'll do 60, then 30 more again.
Two of the biggest songs of 2024 are from guys from Woodbridge, VA. Kinda funny that its a white dude doing hip hop and a black dude doing country.
Oh, and if Rob skips Misery Business, I'll cry. Paramore is hugely influential on all these modern pop girls like Olivia Rodrigo and Chappell Roan (though That's What You Get is my favorite song from that era of Paramore).
Amazing call on these, especially tying Maps and SUBG together. He can even bring up Kasabian's "Reason is Treason" a little bit as it was also part of the influence on SUBG.
Bad Romance is technically 2009 (and you can tie in Akon) but it feels like a post-2010 peak Obama song.
Which reminds me now of Akon and Snoop's "I Want To Fuck You". And now I'm thinking of You're Beautiful by James Blunt...
Laddie and Mugsy's Jock covered most of the big stuff (pop, rap, r&b, rock, indie rock). It's a much more interesting decade than the 90s for pop music. These might make good episodes too.
"Party In The USA" / Radio Disney and the birth of parasocial stan culture
"What Happened to that boy?" instead of "Grindin". Straight line to Kendrick vs Drake.
"Welcome to the Black Parade" emo's big moment. Have to bring on Andy Greenwald for this one.
"Party In The USA" / Radio Disney and the birth of parasocial stan culture
"What Happened to that boy?" instead of "Grindin". Straight line to Kendrick vs Drake.
"Welcome to the Black Parade" emo's big moment. Have to bring on Andy Greenwald for this one.
Would love a My Chemical Romance episode. You figure they would make the cut as the premier Emo band of the 00s.
Pop music was definitely better in the 00s than it was in the 90s. Even indie pop was great -- Ting Tings, Rilo Kiley, La Roux (Bulletproof! Amazing song.), Snow Patrol, early Calvin Harris, Death Cab, Tegan & Sara, The Kooks, Phoenix.
There's definitely going to be an episode about I Gotta Feeling, a massively divisive song but brought David Guetta's production to mainstream American audiences and made him into the first Top 40 / EDM DJ superstar, beating Calvin Harris to that spot by 3 years or so. He had songs like Love Don't Let Me Go, Love Is Gone, and Baby When The Light that were popular in nightclubs and in the EDM world, but didn't pop over here until he was on IGF.
Jesus Christ.
Looks like there was a good reason I wasn't exactly present when it came to popular music during the aughts.
Looks like there was a good reason I wasn't exactly present when it came to popular music during the aughts.
Hey hey hey….the aughts had some awesome popular music, just like every decade. And plenty of crap.
I actually want to come back to Shaboozey’s song. One of the more fascinating things that’s happened music post-COVID has been the fracturing of popular music. A few months ago I was DJing in a club and not a single one of the top 5 songs on the billboard hot 100 got a big reaction — I was stunned. I texted some dj friends of mine to ask them wtf was happening (I only work 2x a month, and they all work 3-4x a week), and they all said the same thing — that only the biggest songs break through. Now, that Shaboozey song *has* finally had a great impact on the crowds, but it took until week 4 or 5 at #1 to have that reaction. Songs even 5 years ago would be released, go to #1 in a week, and then become the biggest song on the dancefloor for a month. Looking at the songs that went to #1 in 2014 vs 2024 is *crazy*.
Yeah, it’s gotta be Black Parade (though I’m Not Okay is awesome too). Check out this cover from Like A Version — Gerard even retweeted it.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC_k8j8YwjU
Fun little story about MCR….a friend of mine was in an Emo band that toured w them early on. Copying over his words from a group chat:
That slayed me.
Totally get that. I know you have musical tastes that are pretty far outside of the mainstream.
What's your favorite songs (3 of them?) from the 00s? I'm genuinely curious since my entire day to day life is doing stuff with music.
I'll have to think on it, honestly. I'm better with albums than I am with songs.
I don't know if I'll be as emotionally involved with the 2000s version as I was with the original pod, but that might be a function of when it came out and youth nostalgia. From a pure decade standpoint, I like the aughts* more than the 90s, but that's largely because it ran from ages 23 to 32 for me which was the period I was deepest into music (deep dives into albums, buying way too many CDs, going to a shit ton of shows, making year end compilations, music/mp3 blogs, all that shit). Especially as an indie-rock stan.
Even now my record collection- things I want to own because I love the entire album- is overindexed on the aughts. Anyhoo, next up: 50's in da Club.
(*sorry Rob)
Even now my record collection- things I want to own because I love the entire album- is overindexed on the aughts. Anyhoo, next up: 50's in da Club.
(*sorry Rob)
For me, the best album released during the aughts is Robert Wyatt's Comicopera. That a musician released an album THAT good in his FIFTH decade of making music is nothing short of inspiring.
Other than that, it's just a big hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Maybe A Ghost Is Born? I might be in the minority, but I appreciate that album more than Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. Low's Things We Lost in the Fire is a masterpiece. That makes my list. If you'd asked me DURING the decade, I probably would've mentioned Queens of the Stone Age's Rated R, but they've long since squandered the promise of that album. I See a Darkness is pretty frequently regarded as Will Oldham's masterpiece, but I listen to Master and Everyone even more than that one. I recently revisited Antony and the Johnsons' I Am a Bird Now and I'm very glad I did - it's stunning. Jim O'Rourke's Insignificance is up there for me, too.
It's difficult to separate "best albums" from "albums that were incredibly important to me." I've listened to Jack Rose's Kensington Blues hundreds of times, but I don't expect other people to think it's one of the BEST albums of the decade. Ditto stuff like William Basinski's The Disintegration Loops - more a work of art than a collection of club bangers or top down summer songs.
Again, I don't think it's the BEST, but Electrelane's "To the East" might be my favorite song of the decade. It's just a really beautiful and to the point rock song. It sounds like a group of musicians playing music together in a room. So much modern music - pop music, especially - DOESN'T sound that way. It drives me crazy.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlSfPmqiplY
I think my tastes can sorta be described like this. "Give me something I haven't heard before. If you can't do that, give me something simple done better than anyone else."
Other than that, it's just a big hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... Maybe A Ghost Is Born? I might be in the minority, but I appreciate that album more than Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. Low's Things We Lost in the Fire is a masterpiece. That makes my list. If you'd asked me DURING the decade, I probably would've mentioned Queens of the Stone Age's Rated R, but they've long since squandered the promise of that album. I See a Darkness is pretty frequently regarded as Will Oldham's masterpiece, but I listen to Master and Everyone even more than that one. I recently revisited Antony and the Johnsons' I Am a Bird Now and I'm very glad I did - it's stunning. Jim O'Rourke's Insignificance is up there for me, too.
It's difficult to separate "best albums" from "albums that were incredibly important to me." I've listened to Jack Rose's Kensington Blues hundreds of times, but I don't expect other people to think it's one of the BEST albums of the decade. Ditto stuff like William Basinski's The Disintegration Loops - more a work of art than a collection of club bangers or top down summer songs.
Again, I don't think it's the BEST, but Electrelane's "To the East" might be my favorite song of the decade. It's just a really beautiful and to the point rock song. It sounds like a group of musicians playing music together in a room. So much modern music - pop music, especially - DOESN'T sound that way. It drives me crazy.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlSfPmqiplY
I think my tastes can sorta be described like this. "Give me something I haven't heard before. If you can't do that, give me something simple done better than anyone else."
Thanks for sharing, digging into the stuff I haven't heard before!
I could actually see him putting a Wilco song on the pod. They're pretty highly regarded as one of the best indie acts of the decade (you know this), but don't slot in on the side of The Strokes/White Stripes/Hives/Vines of the indie rock world. And I'd love to get some "Feel Good Hit Of The Summer" analysis if only to hear Rob recite the lyrics. (Personally I could never get into A&TJ, just wasn't my thing.)
I think the thing with Antony - or Anohni, nowadays - is her voice. It's one of those make-or-break voices. If you like it, great - but if you don't, you're going to HATE it. Joanna Newsom is similar. I love Randy Newman, but my girlfriend HATES him - all because of the sound of his voice. Hell, I can't stand Lana Del Rey because of her singing voice.
I've gone on record numerous times about Neil Young being my favorite musician of all time. But when people tell me they can't listen to him because of his whiny, nasally voice, I totally understand.
Given the 9/11 of it all, the mystique around the label machinations (being dropped by and then signed by two different Warner subsidiaries), and the initial release of songs via streaming (early shades of In Rainbows), a song from Yankee Hotel Foxtrot seems inevitable to me.
Plus, a good trojan horse to talk through the evolution of alt-country, bring in Whiskeytown / Ryan Adams, etc (like he just did with Sharon Jones*).
(*which, by the by, is a top 5 concert experience for me)
Wilco's almost a lock, just because the story behind Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (band's label gets merged into new conglomerate; new A&R guy rejects album; band buys it back self-releases and gets buzz; different label at the same conglomerate buys back in and commercially releases the album) is a podcast waiting to happen.
Also, I am disproportionately happy that Like a Version is back. It's consistently good. The Last Dinner Party's cover of "Call Me" by Blondie in this last batch is fantastic.
EDIT: Damn, pause to take a work call in the middle of composing a post around here and you get scooped.
Like a Stone is a top notch more mainstream song.
Fox Confessor Brings the Flood from Neko Case has a lot of good music on it.
Fox Confessor Brings the Flood from Neko Case has a lot of good music on it.
I hum this tune seemingly everyday, so definitely one of my favorites or just an insane earworm.
Hey, I just found out in a fantasy basketball league with the singer. That's funny timing.
To the tune of Handlebars: Can he make a fantasy trade by telepathy...by telepathy...by telepathy.