Good god, it was an aside, it's not like they dove deep into it.The manufacturer of Baby Ruth candy bars isn't too important to Caddyshack.
Good god, it was an aside, it's not like they dove deep into it.The manufacturer of Baby Ruth candy bars isn't too important to Caddyshack.
The conversation didn't bother me at all. But the post that I responded to was entirely misunderstanding what the previous poster had said.Good god, it was an aside, it's not like they dove deep into it.
Having somewhat mindless discussions about minor tidbits in movies is literally what The Rewatchables is.Good god, it was an aside, it's not like they dove deep into it.
That is literally not what the Rewatchables is.Having somewhat mindless discussions about minor tidbits in movies is literally what The Rewatchables is.
It didn't need to be explained, but thank you. Some people aren't very sharp.The conversation didn't bother me at all. But the post that I responded to was entirely misunderstanding what the previous poster had said.
It's chronological. And considering it is The Ringer's goal to keep you on the website, the fact that scrolling is required is on purpose. I guess if you're really pissed, you could email The Ringer and ask for your money back.While I enjoy the substance, the format of their omnibus NBA restart coverage is really annoying. You have to scroll from the top past more recent stories to get to the game you want, with no quick links (or direct links of any kind) and without any sorting option, and the whole thing is already so massive it has trouble loading on my phone.
I get that it's chronological, but if all I want is to read their Celtics/76ers writeup, I have to scroll manually through two Mavs/Clippers pieces first. Nothing about this is the end of the world but it's an inconvenient way to arrange things.It's chronological. And considering it is The Ringer's goal to keep you on the website, the fact that scrolling is required is on purpose. I guess if you're really pissed, you could email The Ringer and ask for your money back.
And I just loaded it on my phone and the load took less than 2 seconds.
Who is Gannett?Lol, I'm a full time journalist basically running a weekly newspaper by myself for Gannett and I make $27,000 and nobody ever gets a raise.
Gannett is a mass media company that now owns most of the small weekly newspapers in the US, acquiring most of them after merging with GateHouse Media last year. Their biggest property is USA Today.Who is Gannett?
Boy if this isn't the state of print media today.Who is Gannett?
I think everyone knows by now the Ringer revenue is driven more via podcasts than anything else (that is what Spotify was buying into). Seems like short money but if anyone besides the experienced feature writers with capital "J" Journalistic publications makes close to or beyond 6 figures I'd be really surprised. But I guess podcasting, although lucrative, is a black box. You could tell me Jason Concepcion makes $60k or $300k or even more and I'd be like huh, interesting. KOC was primarily a writer for awhile and stayed east, then I'm sure not coincidentally once he started regularly doing pods and videos he moved out towards Ringer HQ which is a big financial commitment.Is this salary in line with other sports journalism roles?
Seems pretty low to me.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/ShakerSamman/status/1296503308689928194
Also, if you have a job you can do from anywhere, why complain that you don't get paid enough to live where everybody wants to? Sometimes you need to make the decision lots of people before you have and take your salary somewhere it goes farther. I get that there are more media opportunities in those cities, but if they're not allowed to do outside work then that doesn't really matter.Lol, I'm a full time journalist basically running a weekly newspaper by myself for Gannett and I make $27,000 and nobody ever gets a raise. Silver spoon Duke grad Shaker Samman isn't getting much of my sympathy because people wouldn't pay him more to write about the cast of Tenant.
That Shaker Samman person whose tweet is quoted above later tweeted that the Ringer employees were subject to "a mandate to live in Los Angeles," so the geographic flexibility you're assuming may not exist.Also, if you have a job you can do from anywhere, why complain that you don't get paid enough to live where everybody wants to? Sometimes you need to make the decision lots of people before you have and take your salary somewhere it goes farther. I get that there are more media opportunities in those cities, but if they're not allowed to do outside work then that doesn't really matter.
Interesting to know what he's doing next and what he's getting paid for it. Those salaries look low in the abstract---but the market for early-in-their-career writers is pretty lousy right now so I'm not sure whether mid-$40s is more "beats driving an Uber" or "unreasonably low"Is this salary in line with other sports journalism roles?
Seems pretty low to me.
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/ShakerSamman/status/1296503308689928194
I would have expected a national outlet like The Ringer to be starting people around 50 (best guess would have been about 55k) , and would have expected someone who has been there a few years to be clearing 60. If there really is a "live in LA" mandate, I would have guessed even higher. But thats based on what people make in political/news journalism, at national outlets, as opposed to sports - and so sports writing may just pay less. And I may also be overinflating how "big" of a publication the ringer is, just because its one of the few sports places I read regularly.Interesting to know what he's doing next and what he's getting paid for it. Those salaries look low in the abstract---but the market for early-in-their-career writers is pretty lousy right now so I'm not sure whether mid-$40s is more "beats driving an Uber" or "unreasonably low"
Some here have a lot more knowledge there, what say you all?
Umm ... not in smaller marketsEntry level journalist makes $40k.
Right. I mean, in what world are low-tier journalists making more than what he posted? Low 40's for a few years of internships/entry level work is market level for many industries. Probably high end for journalism.Umm ... not in smaller markets
The last reporter we hired came in at $16/hr
The phrasing from the union didn't sound like that, but I could see that being true. From what I've heard before about the pop culture and sports market, this doesn't sound all that bad. He even got paid in his first year as an intern, and media is pretty famous for unpaid internships. Of course, they can always ask for more as a union. They wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't. I just don't feel all that bad for them based on this tweet.That Shaker Samman person whose tweet is quoted above later tweeted that the Ringer employees were subject to "a mandate to live in Los Angeles," so the geographic flexibility you're assuming may not exist.
Right, got it. We've had 2-3 recent grads express shock at what starting salaries are in small market dailies. One countered by asking for a figure that would make them the second-highest paid person in the newsroom. Another actually said that she "wouldn't clean bathrooms for that."Right. I mean, in what world are low-tier journalists making more than what he posted? Low 40's for a few years of internships/entry level work is market level for many industries. Probably high end for journalism.
And that's more than Michael Patterson deservedUmm ... not in smaller markets
The last reporter we hired came in at $16/hr
Yeah, I got an engineering degree. My major had some of the top starting salaries in the country. I still lived with a room mate until my mid-late 20s. My friends who majored in the sciences were making 60% of what I was and were living with 3-4 room mates at a time until they went back to school and got PHDs. But we weren't twitter famous.That salary actually surprised me at how high it is. I feel like most entry-level jobs in competitive fields like sports journalism pay $35K if you're lucky. Look at entertainment - if you want to start out as a PA, you get paid dogshit for an opportunity at a possibly lucrative career.
If it was hard for them to find people who'll write about pop culture and sports for $40K fresh out of college, then they would pay more in order to attract more applicants.
And as far as living in LA, yeah a 1BR is expensive, but he could also do what pretty much everyone else does when they go the big city right out of college - live with roommates. You can live in a house in the valley with friends for like $500-$600 per person, which is more than affordable on a $40K a year salary.
I admire people standing up for entry level pay because I think it prevents underprivileged applicants from being able to "stick with it" during the most difficult part of their career. But there's another part of me that's saying "back in my day" (10 years ago) and thinking of all the sacrifices I made, from living with other people to eating PB &Js for dinner, etc. until I was able to afford to be an adult. I hope that the union gets what they want, but I'm not crying for Shaker making $45k a year with health benefits.
Yep same I had a good engineering job lined up before I graduated and I still lived at my parents house until my late 20s. I too was not twitter famous. But now I have 4 beams in my house so I've almost made it.Yeah, I got an engineering degree. My major had some of the top starting salaries in the country. I still lived with a room mate until my mid-late 20s. My friends who majored in the sciences were making 60% of what I was and were living with 3-4 room mates at a time until they went back to school and got PHDs. But we weren't twitter famous.
Hey everybody, look at Mr. Bigshot 4 beam guy over here!Yep same I had a good engineering job lined up before I graduated and I still lived at my parents house until my late 20s. I too was not twitter famous. But now I have 4 beams in my house so I've almost made it.
He started at 39k, but, still, that's a pretty good salary for a starting position in an industry that is pretty competitive and not necessarily a big money maker.A kid getting out of college and going straight to an trendy outlet like The Ringer and making $45,000 is the journalism equivalent of being a software engineer and landing a $150,000 job at Google or Apple.
Haha they'll be a few guys from the poker game that the joke will hit home with better lol.Hey everybody, look at Mr. Bigshot 4 beam guy over here!
I mean, you really need to start playing again, dude.Haha they'll be a few guys from the poker game that the joke will hit home with better lol.
I played the other night!I mean, you really need to start playing again, dude.
Haven't listened to this one yet. I enjoy The Rewatchables, it's a loose hang. That said, I think (so far after listening to a half-dozen or so) the ones where Chris Ryan is involved are the best ones because he's kind of a more chill version of Chuck Klosterman. Meaning, he knows his pop culture way, way, more than Simmons does and isn't afraid to push back a bit when Simmons says something ridiculous to the point of self-parody, like when he suggests that Alicia Silverstone could have been good in The Last of the Mohicans.The Pump Up the Volume episode of The Rewatchables is pretty great if you're into Bill Simmons acting like the coolest dude in the room.
I'm sure he was a HUGE fan of Camper Van Beethoven. Totally.
I know I'm spitting into the wind here, because hes a favorite beat bag, but I think this is almost entirely all silly - except for the note on him and the 40 Year Old Virgin usage of cancel culture, I kinda cringed at that too, but more like "you can't say that right now man". I don't think Sean or Chris had anything enlightening to say about the rest of the gang in that movie that wasn't already apparent when it came out. As to "his" movies, the goal of the pod is ones you've seen a bunch of times - I think the most recent has been Dunkirk? - so it's going to skew towards 80s-2010sish, because that's his wheelhouse and that's his audience.Yeah I like Simmons and think rewatchables is great and it’s his baby but I’m starting to feel he should only be on for his movies. Whenever he’s seen something 100 times he excels but if not it can be a slog. He misses obvious references and context when the other people try to bring it up. He also gets too fixated on his categories. While I get they’re there to guide the discussion there are so many cases where a guest will start talking and he’ll jump in with “wait I had that in another category” and it stops any momentum and conversation. I wish he’d go back to free flowing conversation and then use the categories when that stalls.
Also, and this just may be be, Simmons shouldn’t be on any modern (post 2000ish) comedy movies. I don’t think he’s a bad guy but he truly doesn’t understand woke/PC whatever culture. Every discussion winds up in his “this couldn’t be made today/I’m worried about comedy” terrible take. He’s been eulogizing comedy for about 10 years now. Just on the 40 year old virgin one alone he used “cancel culture” unironically and completely missed Chris and Sean’s point about the other guys in the group being losers. so while they talked the way they did, they weren’t portrayed as cool or even happy.
Finally, while I’m thankful they went to 2 a week, I wish they coordinated more with what’s actually available to stream at a given time. The last 5 and like 8 of the last 10 are rental only I usually like to watch before listening when possible and they make it difficult.
Still with all those complaints still a top 5 podcast in my rotation and I love it
He had a similar take recently about Munich being boring and the slot should have gone to 40 YO Virgin, which he repeated ad nauseam about falling asleep during it, but he was totally poking fun at himself for it. I'm not sure anyone ever accused him of being the brightest bulb or well rounded, but yeah.Yeah, I mean, lord knows I’m not the biggest Simmons fan but he brings his views and that’s cool. I’m amused both by what he says and, in many cases, by the fact that it’s him saying it. Like in “The Firm” one he’s talking about 1993 movies and how “The Firm” was really one of the more awards-ready films of the year, and kind of glosses over other movies and kind of goes “See? not a big year for serious films! There were no big awards movie that year!” And Evans waits a beat and says “Well...Schindler’s List.” And Simmons just kind of audibly shrugs. Like “I guess.”
As if fucking “Schindler’s List” didn’t merit mentioning not only in a convo about 1993 movies, but in a convo about Oscar-worthy 1993 movies! I just had to laugh.