Well with respect to Tim Sylvia's run as a heavyweight champ in the UFC, he does not nor did he ever show anything in the way of a ground game. If Toney is given opponent's who want to stand and bang, he'll get some highlight reel knockouts, probably. However, even ignoring the ground aspect, fighting in an octagon is different then a ring. The angles are different and its going to feel very weird for Toney when his first fight rolls around. I'm very curious to see how it plays out, obviously he is very marketable to a crowd that has looked down upon MMA and been very critical of the sport. If he comes in and has success I wonder how the arguments of boxing vs mma will go.
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QUOTE (hunter05 @ Mar 11 2010, 02:28 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2846201
Well with respect to Tim Sylvia's run as a heavyweight champ in the UFC, he does not nor did he ever show anything in the way of a ground game. If Toney is given opponent's who want to stand and bang, he'll get some highlight reel knockouts, probably. However, even ignoring the ground aspect, fighting in an octagon is different then a ring. The angles are different and its going to feel very weird for Toney when his first fight rolls around. I'm very curious to see how it plays out, obviously he is very marketable to a crowd that has looked down upon MMA and been very critical of the sport. If he comes in and has success I wonder how the arguments of boxing vs mma will go.
I wouldn't go out and say that just yet. I think if he faced someone with kickboxing background, particularly with experience in K-1, could give Toney trouble. These guys have spent their entire careers looking just at the hands of their opponents. What's it going to be like now that he has to watch out for kicks too? I'm a huge proponent of kicks (Big Crocop fan) and I think that a fighter could wear down Toney with leg kicks and take away his power. I would like to see the UFC set up that fight actually (against Mirko), especially if Toney does win his first fight.
As far as the GSP-Hardy fight, I will be rooting for GSP. While a lot of people hate GSP for being French Canadian or other reasons, I evaluate him by his skill. I think the great thing about GSP is that every time he steps into the octagon, he shows improvement. He really is a student of martial arts and he wants to be the best at everything. The guy was initially a great Kyokushin fighter, but he added high-level wrestling and BJJ. I love that he can do everything (which is why I like Machida, BJ, and Shogun). I think 15-20 years from now, when we look at guys who helped change the sport, we will look at guys like GSP who do everything well instead of the one dimensional fighters like Hughes and two dimensional fighters like Liddell.
Well with respect to Tim Sylvia's run as a heavyweight champ in the UFC, he does not nor did he ever show anything in the way of a ground game. If Toney is given opponent's who want to stand and bang, he'll get some highlight reel knockouts, probably. However, even ignoring the ground aspect, fighting in an octagon is different then a ring. The angles are different and its going to feel very weird for Toney when his first fight rolls around. I'm very curious to see how it plays out, obviously he is very marketable to a crowd that has looked down upon MMA and been very critical of the sport. If he comes in and has success I wonder how the arguments of boxing vs mma will go.
I wouldn't go out and say that just yet. I think if he faced someone with kickboxing background, particularly with experience in K-1, could give Toney trouble. These guys have spent their entire careers looking just at the hands of their opponents. What's it going to be like now that he has to watch out for kicks too? I'm a huge proponent of kicks (Big Crocop fan) and I think that a fighter could wear down Toney with leg kicks and take away his power. I would like to see the UFC set up that fight actually (against Mirko), especially if Toney does win his first fight.
As far as the GSP-Hardy fight, I will be rooting for GSP. While a lot of people hate GSP for being French Canadian or other reasons, I evaluate him by his skill. I think the great thing about GSP is that every time he steps into the octagon, he shows improvement. He really is a student of martial arts and he wants to be the best at everything. The guy was initially a great Kyokushin fighter, but he added high-level wrestling and BJJ. I love that he can do everything (which is why I like Machida, BJ, and Shogun). I think 15-20 years from now, when we look at guys who helped change the sport, we will look at guys like GSP who do everything well instead of the one dimensional fighters like Hughes and two dimensional fighters like Liddell.
Yeah I mean he'll have to check things like leg kicks, but there aren't that many heavyweights that really utilize kicks anyway. At least not opponents that Toney will be fighting initially.
Edit: And Crocrop really has not show any of the kicks that made him famous in a while, at least not since he got his brain scrambled by Gonzaga. He really hasn't been the same fighter since. Notable wins over Hong-man Choi, Al-turk, and Perosh. Blech.
Edit: And Crocrop really has not show any of the kicks that made him famous in a while, at least not since he got his brain scrambled by Gonzaga. He really hasn't been the same fighter since. Notable wins over Hong-man Choi, Al-turk, and Perosh. Blech.
QUOTE (rembrat @ Mar 13 2010, 11:56 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2848493
Liddell Ortiz III is off. Chuck will now be fighting Rich Franklin. No one has any idea why Ortiz won't be fighting.
I'd almost bet it's because of Back issues. I've had three back surgeries and I know that your never fully the same.
Liddell Ortiz III is off. Chuck will now be fighting Rich Franklin. No one has any idea why Ortiz won't be fighting.
I'd almost bet it's because of Back issues. I've had three back surgeries and I know that your never fully the same.
Alot of info out there and I don't know what to believe. Some say the fight is on, some say Rich isn't fighting Chuck but he is fighting Couture. And now Jenna Jameson twitters some mess about Tito being in the hospital and how her heart goes out to him and his family. WTF.
Jon Jones is a beast. He either gets the winner of Griffin/Lil Nog or Rampage/Evans. I could even see them giving him Thiago Silva. One thing is for sure though, he is getting a shot at the LHW belt in the near future.
And in a perfect world, Junior Dos Santos would face off Cain Velasquez next. The UFC is very exciting right now.
And in a perfect world, Junior Dos Santos would face off Cain Velasquez next. The UFC is very exciting right now.
The UFC is getting stacked with Super Athletes like Bones Jones and Dos Santos. Just when you thought MMA has peaked, it gets better.
That elbow from Jones would carve through cement.
That elbow from Jones would carve through cement.
Awesome. I greatly despise Brandon Vera.
I knew Jones would come out with the win but I hadn't envisioned him just rag dolling Vera like that. Vera has a great wrestling background and you couldn't tell by the way Jones took him down. The rest of the 205 better start working on that TDD because this kid is picking up steam.
I knew Jones would come out with the win but I hadn't envisioned him just rag dolling Vera like that. Vera has a great wrestling background and you couldn't tell by the way Jones took him down. The rest of the 205 better start working on that TDD because this kid is picking up steam.
Saunders took the fight instead. He was pretty cool on TUF, so maybe all is not lost. Sucks for Alves though.
QUOTE (Pxer @ Mar 28 2010, 12:42 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2867657
Hardy's got some friggin heart. Too bad he never got any good shots in.
In other news, Lesnar-Carwin is gonna be huge this summer.
He's got heart, but he might not have fully-connected shoulder ligaments. GSP total domination, but what else is new?
I read somewhere that he might move up, is that for real?
Hardy's got some friggin heart. Too bad he never got any good shots in.
In other news, Lesnar-Carwin is gonna be huge this summer.
He's got heart, but he might not have fully-connected shoulder ligaments. GSP total domination, but what else is new?
I read somewhere that he might move up, is that for real?
QUOTE (rembrat @ Mar 8 2010, 10:31 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2842155
I re-watched GSP/Serra I a few days ago, and I hate to say it, but I feel that's what Hardy has to go in there and do. Easier said than done, of course, but GSP is going to go in there and try to wear The Outlaw down with his takedowns and pressing him up against the cage. Another fight I recently re-watched was Hardy's last bout against Swick and what do you know, Hardy spent a good portion of the match trying to take Swick down and exchanging blows pressed up against the cage. Even after Hardy kept rocking him with his standup. It seemed like Hardy was working on a few things he plans on needing for GSP.
Speaking of Couture, he twittered today "I hope to be the first to welcome Mr toney to mma
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Good call, but did Hardy even make it to the cage once? Still can't believe Hardy didn't tap.
Palhares vs. Drwal was total bullshit. How can that clown claim to not have known Drwal was tapping. I understand not letting go of the submission before the ref jumps in there; however, he held that toe hold several seconds after the ref was trying to pull him off. This isn't a choke out. It's a submission that is going to ruin Drwal's knee and take him out of competition for at least the next year.
I remember Babalu openly admitting to holding onto a choke hold against Heath and getting kicked out of the UFC because of it. I know Palhares didn't mock his opponent afterward, but is there any other precedent? Will the UFC take any action on this?
edit: I am talking about a precedent in modern MMA, not the MMA of the Royce Gracie days.
I re-watched GSP/Serra I a few days ago, and I hate to say it, but I feel that's what Hardy has to go in there and do. Easier said than done, of course, but GSP is going to go in there and try to wear The Outlaw down with his takedowns and pressing him up against the cage. Another fight I recently re-watched was Hardy's last bout against Swick and what do you know, Hardy spent a good portion of the match trying to take Swick down and exchanging blows pressed up against the cage. Even after Hardy kept rocking him with his standup. It seemed like Hardy was working on a few things he plans on needing for GSP.
Speaking of Couture, he twittered today "I hope to be the first to welcome Mr toney to mma
"Good call, but did Hardy even make it to the cage once? Still can't believe Hardy didn't tap.
Palhares vs. Drwal was total bullshit. How can that clown claim to not have known Drwal was tapping. I understand not letting go of the submission before the ref jumps in there; however, he held that toe hold several seconds after the ref was trying to pull him off. This isn't a choke out. It's a submission that is going to ruin Drwal's knee and take him out of competition for at least the next year.
I remember Babalu openly admitting to holding onto a choke hold against Heath and getting kicked out of the UFC because of it. I know Palhares didn't mock his opponent afterward, but is there any other precedent? Will the UFC take any action on this?
edit: I am talking about a precedent in modern MMA, not the MMA of the Royce Gracie days.
GSP/Hardy: I thought GSP would finish the fight, only because Dan Hardy is tough as nails did it not get stopped. No one is going to challenge GSP at WW.
Carwin/Mir: Carwin hits like a fucking truck. That guy has got some extreme power. I can't wait for his fight against Lesnar. Lesnar dwarfed Carwin, which is a scary thought. Mir/Nog 2? I don't think Mir can deal with strong wrestlers, so that means that getting the belt again for him is basically out of the question. I don't think he can beat Lesnar, Carwin, or Cain.
A lot of people are complaining about GSP being a boring fighter, I just don't agree. Watching him dominate someone on the ground is just as enjoyable to me as watching Penn dominate someone on his feet.
Carwin/Mir: Carwin hits like a fucking truck. That guy has got some extreme power. I can't wait for his fight against Lesnar. Lesnar dwarfed Carwin, which is a scary thought. Mir/Nog 2? I don't think Mir can deal with strong wrestlers, so that means that getting the belt again for him is basically out of the question. I don't think he can beat Lesnar, Carwin, or Cain.
A lot of people are complaining about GSP being a boring fighter, I just don't agree. Watching him dominate someone on the ground is just as enjoyable to me as watching Penn dominate someone on his feet.
Jon Fitch is the poor man's version of GSP except he doesn't improve his position. It's funny that Fitch gets booed but GSP gets rained on with cheers. YAWN. Obviously I'm a little pissed that Hardy lost but yea, fuck GSP. I want that takedown queen to move up to MW and try that shit against Silva, Maia, and Sonnen. But it'll never happen because then the UFC would lose it's golden boy after his ass gets ripped apart @ MW.
Oh, yea, and Carwin has won me over. I thought he was a guy that just beat the shit out of cans and the weak chin of Gonzaga but holy shit he is for real.
Oh, yea, and Carwin has won me over. I thought he was a guy that just beat the shit out of cans and the weak chin of Gonzaga but holy shit he is for real.
QUOTE (rembrat @ Mar 28 2010, 11:17 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2867776
Jon Fitch is the poor man's version of GSP except he doesn't improve his position. It's funny that Fitch gets booed but GSP gets rained on with cheers. YAWN. Obviously I'm a little pissed that Hardy lost but yea, fuck GSP. I want that takedown queen to move up to MW and try that shit against Silva, Maia, and Sonnen. But it'll never happen because then the UFC would lose it's golden boy after his ass gets ripped apart @ MW.
Err, I hope you are just letting off steam and don't believe any of this.
GSP is constantly looking for submissions and constantly improving his position. You're acting as if he's Jake Shields. I haven't the urge to go back and count his submission attempts, which were numerous btw, but he nearly ripped Hardy's arm off twice. He'd beat probably anyone at MW except maybe Silva and I'm not convinced he couldn't beat Anderson. He'd definitely beat Maia and Sonnen. You're talking about, in my opinion, the best P4P fighter in the world. The fact that people complain that he is "boring" and is nothing more then a "lay and pray" fighter frustrates and saddens me. I don't understand how people can't appreciate how incredible he is. It was the equivalent for me of watching BJ Penn destroy Diego Sanchez.
Jon Fitch is the poor man's version of GSP except he doesn't improve his position. It's funny that Fitch gets booed but GSP gets rained on with cheers. YAWN. Obviously I'm a little pissed that Hardy lost but yea, fuck GSP. I want that takedown queen to move up to MW and try that shit against Silva, Maia, and Sonnen. But it'll never happen because then the UFC would lose it's golden boy after his ass gets ripped apart @ MW.
Err, I hope you are just letting off steam and don't believe any of this.
GSP is constantly looking for submissions and constantly improving his position. You're acting as if he's Jake Shields. I haven't the urge to go back and count his submission attempts, which were numerous btw, but he nearly ripped Hardy's arm off twice. He'd beat probably anyone at MW except maybe Silva and I'm not convinced he couldn't beat Anderson. He'd definitely beat Maia and Sonnen. You're talking about, in my opinion, the best P4P fighter in the world. The fact that people complain that he is "boring" and is nothing more then a "lay and pray" fighter frustrates and saddens me. I don't understand how people can't appreciate how incredible he is. It was the equivalent for me of watching BJ Penn destroy Diego Sanchez.
I don't really see how you can compare this to Penn/Sanchez. THAT was total domination. This was a clinic on how to pass guard and take someone's back.
Hardy/GSP was merely St. Pierre zeroing in on Dan Hardy's weak grappling and ground game, attacking it, then spending 20 minutes trying to submit Dan. Usually GSP delivers vicious GnP but he didn't or couldn't last night. Dan Hardy is the biggest WW he has fought in quite some time and it's clear that GSP wanted no part in exchanging, both standing and on the ground. Maybe wrestling really does it for you but I get no joy in watching a guy pass guard and attempt failed subs all night long.
And you are kidding yourself if you think Anderson wouldn't absolutely wreck GSP. Anderson has some of the best timing and hands in MMA. I have a hard time believing GSP could close the distance on Silva trying to get a takedown and not get a nice counter knee right to his shiny forehead.
And yea, frankly, I am blowing off some steam because I really don't like what GSP has become. Safe and predictable. I don't know if this is coming from Jackson or if the Serra fight has affected him so deeply where he isn't willing to take risks any more against guys that are strikers. But I just don't like the dude. I also don't like that he walks around 190 lbs, is a huge WW, and has zero interest in moving up to MW to test himself against bigger/equal sized competition. Penn did it and is going to do it again. Silva did it. Let's go "best P4P fighter int he world."
Hardy/GSP was merely St. Pierre zeroing in on Dan Hardy's weak grappling and ground game, attacking it, then spending 20 minutes trying to submit Dan. Usually GSP delivers vicious GnP but he didn't or couldn't last night. Dan Hardy is the biggest WW he has fought in quite some time and it's clear that GSP wanted no part in exchanging, both standing and on the ground. Maybe wrestling really does it for you but I get no joy in watching a guy pass guard and attempt failed subs all night long.
And you are kidding yourself if you think Anderson wouldn't absolutely wreck GSP. Anderson has some of the best timing and hands in MMA. I have a hard time believing GSP could close the distance on Silva trying to get a takedown and not get a nice counter knee right to his shiny forehead.
And yea, frankly, I am blowing off some steam because I really don't like what GSP has become. Safe and predictable. I don't know if this is coming from Jackson or if the Serra fight has affected him so deeply where he isn't willing to take risks any more against guys that are strikers. But I just don't like the dude. I also don't like that he walks around 190 lbs, is a huge WW, and has zero interest in moving up to MW to test himself against bigger/equal sized competition. Penn did it and is going to do it again. Silva did it. Let's go "best P4P fighter int he world."
QUOTE (rembrat @ Mar 28 2010, 04:41 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2868109
I don't really see how you can compare this to Penn/Sanchez. THAT was total domination. This was a clinic on how to pass guard and take someone's back.
Easy, because GSP dominated a facet of the game so completely that Hardy never had a chance and was in survival mode for the entire fight.
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Hardy/GSP was merely St. Pierre zeroing in on Dan Hardy's weak grappling and ground game
Whose fault is that? Is that a criticism?
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attacking it, then spending 20 minutes trying to submit Dan. Usually GSP delivers vicious GnP but he didn't or couldn't last night.
He didn't because he was so intent on getting a submission. Why? I don't know. That is the only disappointing aspect I had with his performance.
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Dan Hardy is the biggest WW he has fought in quite some time and it's clear that GSP wanted no part in exchanging, both standing and on the ground.
Where do you get that from? His advantage with takedowns and his top position is so extreme and he is so much better, why wouldn't he use that? Why does he have to stand and bang? Do great strikers need to take fights to the ground to prove something? The criticism that is being lobbed at him is so misdirected and so unfortunate.
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Maybe wrestling really does it for you but I get no joy in watching a guy pass guard and attempt failed subs all night long.
Its apart of the sport. Its not boxing. What GSP did is a huge part of MMA. If you don't like grappling, maybe its really not for you.
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And you are kidding yourself if you think Anderson wouldn't absolutely wreck GSP. Anderson has some of the best timing and hands in MMA. I have a hard time believing GSP could close the distance on Silva trying to get a takedown and not get a nice counter knee right to his shiny forehead.
GSP is also the quickest and most explosive athlete in MMA. His wrestling, takedowns, and top game are absolutely the best in the business. I have see absolutely no reason to think he couldn't take Silva down. I think it'd be a tremendous fight.
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And yea, frankly, I am blowing off some steam because I really don't like what GSP has become. Safe and predictable.
Become arguably the best fighter in MMA? I mean jesus, if he gets the subbed on Hardy, no one says a word. But since he wasn't able to sink one in deep enough and Dan Hardy is one tough motherfucker, GSP is criticized for dominating his opponent. In what other sport does that happen? What is safe about what he did last night? When he was going for the subs he got reversed and even ended up on his back for a few seconds.
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I don't know if this is coming from Jackson or if the Serra fight has affected him so deeply where he isn't willing to take risks any more against guys that are strikers.
Again, why does he have to take the risk? The only reason I can see is to shut up the unfair criticism, but fuck me, he is doing what he is best at. He lost to Serra close to two years ago and in that time has dominated Koscheck, Fitch, Hughes, Serra, Penn, Alves and now Hardy. This stuff about him being affected is so absolutely ridiculous to me. Nothing that I see from him suggests that he is affected.
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But I just don't like the dude. I also don't like that he walks around 190 lbs, is a huge WW, and has zero interest in moving up to MW to test himself against bigger/equal sized competition. Penn did it and is going to do it again. Silva did it. Let's go "best P4P fighter int he world."
Hes not a huge WW, for christ sake, Hardy walks around at like 200 something. He doesn't have zero interest in it, White has stated he doesn't want GSP moving up and GSP has said its not something he is focusing on right now. It will come in the future, watch.
I don't really see how you can compare this to Penn/Sanchez. THAT was total domination. This was a clinic on how to pass guard and take someone's back.
Easy, because GSP dominated a facet of the game so completely that Hardy never had a chance and was in survival mode for the entire fight.
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Hardy/GSP was merely St. Pierre zeroing in on Dan Hardy's weak grappling and ground game
Whose fault is that? Is that a criticism?
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attacking it, then spending 20 minutes trying to submit Dan. Usually GSP delivers vicious GnP but he didn't or couldn't last night.
He didn't because he was so intent on getting a submission. Why? I don't know. That is the only disappointing aspect I had with his performance.
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Dan Hardy is the biggest WW he has fought in quite some time and it's clear that GSP wanted no part in exchanging, both standing and on the ground.
Where do you get that from? His advantage with takedowns and his top position is so extreme and he is so much better, why wouldn't he use that? Why does he have to stand and bang? Do great strikers need to take fights to the ground to prove something? The criticism that is being lobbed at him is so misdirected and so unfortunate.
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Maybe wrestling really does it for you but I get no joy in watching a guy pass guard and attempt failed subs all night long.
Its apart of the sport. Its not boxing. What GSP did is a huge part of MMA. If you don't like grappling, maybe its really not for you.
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And you are kidding yourself if you think Anderson wouldn't absolutely wreck GSP. Anderson has some of the best timing and hands in MMA. I have a hard time believing GSP could close the distance on Silva trying to get a takedown and not get a nice counter knee right to his shiny forehead.
GSP is also the quickest and most explosive athlete in MMA. His wrestling, takedowns, and top game are absolutely the best in the business. I have see absolutely no reason to think he couldn't take Silva down. I think it'd be a tremendous fight.
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And yea, frankly, I am blowing off some steam because I really don't like what GSP has become. Safe and predictable.
Become arguably the best fighter in MMA? I mean jesus, if he gets the subbed on Hardy, no one says a word. But since he wasn't able to sink one in deep enough and Dan Hardy is one tough motherfucker, GSP is criticized for dominating his opponent. In what other sport does that happen? What is safe about what he did last night? When he was going for the subs he got reversed and even ended up on his back for a few seconds.
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I don't know if this is coming from Jackson or if the Serra fight has affected him so deeply where he isn't willing to take risks any more against guys that are strikers.
Again, why does he have to take the risk? The only reason I can see is to shut up the unfair criticism, but fuck me, he is doing what he is best at. He lost to Serra close to two years ago and in that time has dominated Koscheck, Fitch, Hughes, Serra, Penn, Alves and now Hardy. This stuff about him being affected is so absolutely ridiculous to me. Nothing that I see from him suggests that he is affected.
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But I just don't like the dude. I also don't like that he walks around 190 lbs, is a huge WW, and has zero interest in moving up to MW to test himself against bigger/equal sized competition. Penn did it and is going to do it again. Silva did it. Let's go "best P4P fighter int he world."
Hes not a huge WW, for christ sake, Hardy walks around at like 200 something. He doesn't have zero interest in it, White has stated he doesn't want GSP moving up and GSP has said its not something he is focusing on right now. It will come in the future, watch.
It's clear we are at the opposite sides when it comes to GSP and the way he fights but you have to admit that he played it extremely safe last night. Getting reversed and having Hardy on top of you for a few seconds is not dangerous at all when you are GSP. Hell, aside from one elbow from Hardy, it wasn't dangerous for Marcus Davis when Hardy was on top of him. It's just not in his game, Hardy and the rest of the Rough House dudes are strikers. Sprawl and Brawl as Andre Winner put it on Primetime.
I'll begrudgingly admit that watching GSP pick what position he wanted to be and getting there was ridiculous. It's like playing UFC the video game and flicking the stick until you are in the position you want.
And I hope you are right and he does move up for competitive and health reasons. At the weigh ins he looked real bad. I think the weight cut was tough on him now that he is up to 195.
I'll begrudgingly admit that watching GSP pick what position he wanted to be and getting there was ridiculous. It's like playing UFC the video game and flicking the stick until you are in the position you want.
And I hope you are right and he does move up for competitive and health reasons. At the weigh ins he looked real bad. I think the weight cut was tough on him now that he is up to 195.
QUOTE (rembrat @ Mar 28 2010, 05:56 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2868178
It's clear we are at the opposite sides when it comes to GSP and the way he fights but you have to admit that he played it extremely safe last night.
Nothing about it seemed safe. It seemed incredibly effective and well executed.
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Getting reversed and having Hardy on top of you for a few seconds is not dangerous at all when you are GSP. Hell, aside from one elbow from Hardy, it wasn't dangerous for Marcus Davis when Hardy was on top of him. It's just not in his game, Hardy and the rest of the Rough House dudes are strikers. Sprawl and Brawl as Andre Winner put it on Primetime.
I didn't see much in the way of sprawling, Hardy had absolutely no TDD and no answer for GSP. That isn't GSP's fault. Maybe they should spend more time sprawling and less brawling.
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I'll begrudgingly admit that watching GSP pick what position he wanted to be and getting there was ridiculous. It's like playing UFC the video game and flicking the stick until you are in the position you want.
And I hope you are right and he does move up for competitive and health reasons. At the weigh ins he looked real bad. I think the weight cut was tough on him now that he is up to 195.
He will keep adding muscle and cleaning out the division until he moves up. Then there will be a whole new set of fights for him.
It's clear we are at the opposite sides when it comes to GSP and the way he fights but you have to admit that he played it extremely safe last night.
Nothing about it seemed safe. It seemed incredibly effective and well executed.
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Getting reversed and having Hardy on top of you for a few seconds is not dangerous at all when you are GSP. Hell, aside from one elbow from Hardy, it wasn't dangerous for Marcus Davis when Hardy was on top of him. It's just not in his game, Hardy and the rest of the Rough House dudes are strikers. Sprawl and Brawl as Andre Winner put it on Primetime.
I didn't see much in the way of sprawling, Hardy had absolutely no TDD and no answer for GSP. That isn't GSP's fault. Maybe they should spend more time sprawling and less brawling.
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I'll begrudgingly admit that watching GSP pick what position he wanted to be and getting there was ridiculous. It's like playing UFC the video game and flicking the stick until you are in the position you want.
And I hope you are right and he does move up for competitive and health reasons. At the weigh ins he looked real bad. I think the weight cut was tough on him now that he is up to 195.
He will keep adding muscle and cleaning out the division until he moves up. Then there will be a whole new set of fights for him.
Speaking of the WW division, Jon Fitch is hoping Paul Daley beats the ever living crap out of his teammate Josh Koscheck at UFC 113. Dana is pushing really hard for Kos and Fitch to finally fight but Fitch says he won't fight his teammate. Semtex disposing of Kos would fuck up Dana's plan.
Koscheck is the absolute douchiest douche in MMA, which is saying a lot. I hope Daley turns that dudes hair pink with all the blood again.
QUOTE (rembrat @ Mar 29 2010, 10:40 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2869991
The only thing missing is Dan Miragliotta's extremely late stoppage. I still can't believe Mir lost in that fashion.
Rogan saying "Jesus, stop the fight!" was pretty rough to hear. Everyone knew the fight was over at least 5 punches before the the ref, apparently.
The only thing missing is Dan Miragliotta's extremely late stoppage. I still can't believe Mir lost in that fashion.
Rogan saying "Jesus, stop the fight!" was pretty rough to hear. Everyone knew the fight was over at least 5 punches before the the ref, apparently.
The fight was over with the initial punch, once Mir collapsed he was out of it. As a Mir fan it was tough to watch. THough I have to say with him talking about someone dying from octagon related injuries, it was pretty ironic, because I thought for sure he was dead.
I wonder who Mir will fight next. Cain is getting the 1st crack at whoever is left with the HW belt and it seems that JDS is second in line, so those 2 guys are out. I could actually see him fighting Roy Nelson next if he can win later on today.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if there is a Mir/Kongo II and Kongo basically uses his newly found wrestling skills to GnP Mir or control him up against the fence like Carwin did. Poor Mir.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if there is a Mir/Kongo II and Kongo basically uses his newly found wrestling skills to GnP Mir or control him up against the fence like Carwin did. Poor Mir.
For my money Mir/Nog II makes the most sense. Mir looks unstoppable when he wins and a looks awful when he loses. I don't think he can compete with the top heavyweights in the division, which is sad, because I had envisioned this epic part 3 against Lesnar and its never going to happen. Unless Lesnar loses to Carwin, which is a possibility I guess. I'd like to JDS and Cain fight for the right to face the winner of Carwin/Lesnar, I don't want to see either of these guys waiting that long to fight. THat fight would be fucking GREAT.
Dana already said that Cain is going to sit around and wait for the title shot, but that JDS will not. JDS is going to fight again before getting a potential title shot. If everything goes without injury, you've got Lesnar/Carwin around July (Rumors they may hold it off til August for the Boston card), Winner/Cain around October, so JDS wouldn't be in line to fight until approximately Jan/Feb 2011. Since he's going to need at least one more fight and there are limited options for who he can fight, the options are really only JDS/Nelson (if he wins tonight), JDS/Mir, or JDS/Kongo.
BTW, Florian/Gomi tonight should be a pretty decent fight.
BTW, Florian/Gomi tonight should be a pretty decent fight.
Wow. Dana White said the fight was an embarrassment, and he would make it up to the fans that bought this "shit" tonight. He added that he told Silva's manager to give Silva the belt, which was the first time he had never given the champion the belt.
"I'd rather have somebody say let's not buy the Anderson Silva fight tonight because he knocks people out in two minutes other than he runs around like a bleep (jackass?) for five rounds." DW
http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Dana-...on-UFC-112-2378
"I'd rather have somebody say let's not buy the Anderson Silva fight tonight because he knocks people out in two minutes other than he runs around like a bleep (jackass?) for five rounds." DW
http://www.sherdog.com/videos/recent/Dana-...on-UFC-112-2378
I have mixed feelings about the main event. Thru rounds 1 and 2, I was absolutely loving everything Anderson was doing. The blatant disrespect for his opponent and to Dana White and his matchmakers for giving him such a weak opponent, again. Lovedddd it. Dude imitated Machida's stance at one point. However, the rest of the fight just made Anderson look like a dog. I understand refusing to jump into the guard of a BJJ God but I don't understand why he didn't try to engage standing up for the following 2 and a half rounds.
If Dana wants to see vintage Anderson he is going to have to feed him GSP or another LHW. Anderson has cleaned out Dana's 185 division. He'd maul Sonnen and Vitor.
If Dana wants to see vintage Anderson he is going to have to feed him GSP or another LHW. Anderson has cleaned out Dana's 185 division. He'd maul Sonnen and Vitor.
QUOTE (shawnrbu @ Apr 11 2010, 11:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2893377
According to Dave Meltzer, Dana has threatened to make Silva's next title defense a prelim.
I am pretty sure Dana said this in his post fight press conference and was just blowing off steam.
As far as Silva goes, I think what we're seeing is someone who miles above everyone else in terms of talent, but acts like a petulant child at times. He is an enigma. My thoughts are that you left him fight whoever he wants. I was very interested in seeing him fight Sonnen, but now not so much. Maybe Belfort should still get his shot, but I don't see how that fight doesn't end up with Vitor getting dominated like everyone else. Let him move to HW, LHW, wherever. Let him vacate the title and set up some super fights.
Dana also mentioned that he would make it up to the fans who watched that event, as someone who forked over 50 bucks, sign Fedor. It has to happen. Nothing would erase the bad feelings about that event quicker.
As far as Penn and the LW division, I want to see Florian fight Edgar in Boston. Maynard does deserve a shot, but his fight against Diaz was very uninspiring. I say let Maynard and Penn fight and Florian and Edgar fight. I don't know what to make of Penn's performance. I spoke with someone else and we both agreed he looked sick. I haven't checked any sites yet and don't know if we'll find out, but he didn't look right. I'm hoping it was a minor injury/sickness and not something like loss of motivation. Because he looked nothing like the Penn that decimated Sanchez.
According to Dave Meltzer, Dana has threatened to make Silva's next title defense a prelim.
I am pretty sure Dana said this in his post fight press conference and was just blowing off steam.
As far as Silva goes, I think what we're seeing is someone who miles above everyone else in terms of talent, but acts like a petulant child at times. He is an enigma. My thoughts are that you left him fight whoever he wants. I was very interested in seeing him fight Sonnen, but now not so much. Maybe Belfort should still get his shot, but I don't see how that fight doesn't end up with Vitor getting dominated like everyone else. Let him move to HW, LHW, wherever. Let him vacate the title and set up some super fights.
Dana also mentioned that he would make it up to the fans who watched that event, as someone who forked over 50 bucks, sign Fedor. It has to happen. Nothing would erase the bad feelings about that event quicker.
As far as Penn and the LW division, I want to see Florian fight Edgar in Boston. Maynard does deserve a shot, but his fight against Diaz was very uninspiring. I say let Maynard and Penn fight and Florian and Edgar fight. I don't know what to make of Penn's performance. I spoke with someone else and we both agreed he looked sick. I haven't checked any sites yet and don't know if we'll find out, but he didn't look right. I'm hoping it was a minor injury/sickness and not something like loss of motivation. Because he looked nothing like the Penn that decimated Sanchez.
Also I absolutely love Demian Maia. I'm not much for things like "heart" and "guts" but watching him with an eye that was swollen shut, a nose that was broken and a face that looked it had been run through a meat grinder keep pushing foward and swinging from his knees was pretty inspiring. He clearly is not on the same level or league as Silva and knew it, but he tried hard instead of flopping around on his ass for 5 rounds. He deserved better.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. If he wants to fuck with Anderson, have him fight Jon Jones at 205.
Sucks for Frankie that he is going to have a short time with that belt because Kenny Florian would absolutely give him fits.
Dana could pay us back by reducing the PPV buy for UFC 113. That would be awesome. But unlikely.
Sucks for Frankie that he is going to have a short time with that belt because Kenny Florian would absolutely give him fits.
Dana could pay us back by reducing the PPV buy for UFC 113. That would be awesome. But unlikely.
I agree with what you guys said. The taunting and mocking was hilarious for 2-3 rounds. Not finishing the fight however? Not acceptable. You knocked Forrest out walking backwards, you couldn't drop Maia eventually? That's just laziness.
If that is indeed what happens, Frankie should enjoy his time as the champion and savor every moment, because its not going to last. Sucks for Florian, because I feel he can beat anyone in the LW division not named BJ Penn and his chances at holding the belt just went out the window. It was mentioned that Penn had a sinus infection, which makes sense to me, because from the moment he walked out he didn't look right.
QUOTE (hunter05 @ Apr 12 2010, 05:06 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2895109
I am pretty sure Dana said this in his post fight press conference and was just blowing off steam.
As far as Silva goes, I think what we're seeing is someone who miles above everyone else in terms of talent, but acts like a petulant child at times. He is an enigma. My thoughts are that you left him fight whoever he wants. I was very interested in seeing him fight Sonnen, but now not so much. Maybe Belfort should still get his shot, but I don't see how that fight doesn't end up with Vitor getting dominated like everyone else. Let him move to HW, LHW, wherever. Let him vacate the title and set up some super fights.
Dana also mentioned that he would make it up to the fans who watched that event, as someone who forked over 50 bucks, sign Fedor. It has to happen. Nothing would erase the bad feelings about that event quicker.
As far as Penn and the LW division, I want to see Florian fight Edgar in Boston. Maynard does deserve a shot, but his fight against Diaz was very uninspiring. I say let Maynard and Penn fight and Florian and Edgar fight. I don't know what to make of Penn's performance. I spoke with someone else and we both agreed he looked sick. I haven't checked any sites yet and don't know if we'll find out, but he didn't look right. I'm hoping it was a minor injury/sickness and not something like loss of motivation. Because he looked nothing like the Penn that decimated Sanchez.
I was about to say not a chance until I saw this. Posted on Youtube four days ago and I hadn't seen it before so I'm guessing it is new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCP0M34J6hI
I am pretty sure Dana said this in his post fight press conference and was just blowing off steam.
As far as Silva goes, I think what we're seeing is someone who miles above everyone else in terms of talent, but acts like a petulant child at times. He is an enigma. My thoughts are that you left him fight whoever he wants. I was very interested in seeing him fight Sonnen, but now not so much. Maybe Belfort should still get his shot, but I don't see how that fight doesn't end up with Vitor getting dominated like everyone else. Let him move to HW, LHW, wherever. Let him vacate the title and set up some super fights.
Dana also mentioned that he would make it up to the fans who watched that event, as someone who forked over 50 bucks, sign Fedor. It has to happen. Nothing would erase the bad feelings about that event quicker.
As far as Penn and the LW division, I want to see Florian fight Edgar in Boston. Maynard does deserve a shot, but his fight against Diaz was very uninspiring. I say let Maynard and Penn fight and Florian and Edgar fight. I don't know what to make of Penn's performance. I spoke with someone else and we both agreed he looked sick. I haven't checked any sites yet and don't know if we'll find out, but he didn't look right. I'm hoping it was a minor injury/sickness and not something like loss of motivation. Because he looked nothing like the Penn that decimated Sanchez.
I was about to say not a chance until I saw this. Posted on Youtube four days ago and I hadn't seen it before so I'm guessing it is new.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCP0M34J6hI
Yea, I read that too, but then there are Portuguese speaking people that have Anderson taunting and berating Maia during the fight. Saying things like "where is your jujitsu" or "show me your jujitsu" and calling him a "playboy." Apparently, playboy in Brazil is a fight starting word when dropped. So I don't really know what camp to believe in the whole he disrespected me story.