The Ultimate Fighting Championship (MMA) Thread

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Shit. I was hoping to use atdhe for the Fedor fight. Kinda earlier though? There is still time for it to be up there.
 

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Twitter abuzz about Fedor, especially MMA fighters:

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"I think the mma hard core fans all just shit there pants." - Jon Fitch

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"I love Fedor but for those who laughed at me that Werdum was better than Fedor on the ground, hahahahaha." - Kenny Florian

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"So is Werdum life is in danger now by the russian mafia ??" - patrick cote

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"Jiu-Jitsu is back son." - Jon Fitch

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"Now no more head in the ground !! GSP is the best P4P !!!" - patrick cote
 

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Fedor has been overrated for some time. Honestly, he hasn't fought anyone who was really a top HW since 2005. That's 5 years of coasting on a resume, albeit a very impressive one.

Don't get me wrong. I like Fedor and respect him as a fighter immensely but the days of the Fedor that dominated Pride are long over.

Right now, would anyone put -550 money on Fedor vs. Dos Santos?
 

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Wow, dude, you don't think Arlovski, Rogers, Sylvia weren't highly rated HW at the time they fought Fedor? Granted they aren't Big Nog or Cro Cop but those are some big names.

A lot of people are saying that Fedor wouldn't keep up with the newer "breed" like Dos Santos and Cain and I have to disagree. Fedor still has it. Of course I don't include Brock because I don't think anyone has anything for that beast and Carwin is just a glorified hard puncher, well see how good his wrestling is in a few days.
 

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QUOTE (rembrat @ Jun 28 2010, 03:33 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3051140
Wow, dude, you don't think Arlovski, Rogers, Sylvia weren't highly rated HW at the time they fought Fedor? Granted they aren't Big Nog or Cro Cop but those are some big names.

A lot of people are saying that Fedor wouldn't keep up with the newer "breed" like Dos Santos and Cain and I have to disagree. Fedor still has it. Of course I don't include Brock because I don't think anyone has anything for that beast and Carwin is just a glorified hard puncher, well see how good his wrestling is in a few days.


I am basing my comments on the fact that everyone Fedor has faced since his showdown with CroCop are not top tier Heavyweights. Silvia is a one dimensional fighter who managed to get KO'd by Ray Mercer in 9 seconds. Arlovski needs to broker a deal with Jay Leno for a chin transplant because the Pit Bull doesn't have one and Jay can spare a yard or two. Do we really know what Brett Rogers is? Has he beaten anyone who really matters at HW? I have doubts that Rogers could take Roy Nelson at this point.

I think Fedor needs to destroy Werdum in a rematch and then seek out the best the division has to offer to remove any doubt that he still is the best HW in the world and was the best even when fighting the likes of Hong-Man Choi and Matt Lindland.

And I like Carwin's chances alot better than most people. I think that he's the more technically disciplined fighter and has the power in his hands to stop Brock if Lesnar gets overly aggressive and reckless.

And can someone please tell me why Kendal Grove is being featured on the Spike prelim show? Really?
 

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I think are differences are in what you consider a top-tier HW. What I'm saying is that Arlovski, Rogers, Sylvia, no matter what their flaws are, at the time of fighting Fedor, were in the top 10 HWs. Of course they are no longer in there because Carwin, Cain, JDS, Brock, and Overeem have sprouted up.

I guarantee Fedor destroys Werdum in the rematch. Without a question.

And last I heard Kendal Grove ran his mouth on a radio show about Spike and they retaliated by bumping his fight off the Spike TV Prelim Show. He is a dumb ass.
 

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Point taken, but given what we know know about all those fighters, Fedor's record since the CroCop fight looks much less impressive.

And Grove does indeed need to shut his yap. He's card filler at this point. One more KO and All State Athletic Commissions should require him to play "China Grove" as his walkout music.
 

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It's so tough to call this one. Carwin just has to land one good flurry, hell, one good punch and it's lights out. But on the other hand Brock just has get it to the ground and it's pretty much over.

I'll say Brock just because I've never seen a man his size with that kind of athletic ability. He is a freak.
 

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The only reason I have trouble picking Brock is because he hasn't fought in a year, and has had a nasty illness to boot. Whatever happens, I'll be shocked if someone doesn't get KO of the night and possibly FOTN. It's going to be good.
 

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Shields was released from Strikeforce. The UFC is working on a deal with him. He says he wants to come in at middleweight, then maybe drop down to welterweight. Anybody think he can contend at middleweight?

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Edit: Sherdog has Shields ranked third at middleweight behind Sonnen and Silva and above Marquardt, so people obviously think he can contend. In the article Dana said he thought Shields would be better at welterweight.
 

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Also, Lesnar said he's fighting southpaw against Carwin. Probably a smart move, since I would assume that was his wrestling stance in college.
 

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Another minor detail: Brock no longer cuts weight. He was around 265 during his training camp. Carwin has o cut about 15-17 pounds before 7 pm tonight.

If you follow his twitter you'll see how much he has been cutting this week.

Start off at what I am assuming is his max weight and go from there:

"I just weighed myself 282. Hydrating on the plane I guess adds pounds." - 9:11 PM Jun 29th
"Just finished working out heading to meet @MagneticMMA weight is at 277." - 9:28 PM Jun 30th
"I was 274 this morning on the scale in my room" - 24 hrs ago
"Off to cut weight with Coach Bowling." - 1 hr ago

9 lbs can be a bit hard. We'll see if it really matters. Until this fight, I always thought Carwin never cut weight.

(Twitter is the shit, I wish more fighters would do this)
 

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QUOTE (rembrat @ Jul 2 2010, 11:16 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3056856
Another minor detail: Brock no longer cuts weight. He was around 265 during his training camp. Carwin has o cut about 15-17 pounds before 7 pm tonight.

If you follow his twitter you'll see how much he has been cutting this week.

Start off at what I am assuming is his max weight and go from there:

"I just weighed myself 282. Hydrating on the plane I guess adds pounds." - 9:11 PM Jun 29th
"Just finished working out heading to meet @MagneticMMA weight is at 277." - 9:28 PM Jun 30th
"I was 274 this morning on the scale in my room" - 24 hrs ago
"Off to cut weight with Coach Bowling." - 1 hr ago

9 lbs can be a bit hard. We'll see if it really matters. Until this fight, I always thought Carwin never cut weight.

(Twitter is the shit, I wish more fighters would do this)


So Carwin could potentially have a small size advantage when he steps into the cage tomorrow. It will be interesting to see how Brock responds to a wrestler who is as big or bigger than he is. This could also be a key factor in Carwin keeping the fight standing where I think he has an advantage.

And remember Brock is coming back from that diverticulitis so the 265 he weighs now won't be the same 265 he dried out to get to when he fought Frank Mir.
 

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I don't know, man. Brock is top heavier and Shane has the thicker legs. But Brock has the clear height advantage and I don't buy for a minute that Brock's sickness has sapped his strength. I saw this clips of him recently working on the floor and he looks even more explosive than he did against Mir in the 2nd fight. I can't count out the man with the better athletic ability. It would be like going against GSP, which I'll never do again.
 

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I see Brock just bullrushing Carwin right away and taking the thing to the ground immediately. Hes not gonna wanna stand and trade with Carwin, but I'm sure he's willing to ground and pound the fuck out of him.
 

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QUOTE (MattysDaddy @ Jul 4 2010, 12:19 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3059486
Wow! Lesnar is the man.


A lesser name gets stopped in the 1st. Carwin was punishing him and it is very debateable if Lesnar was intelligently defending himself. Carwin simply punched himself out. Should definitely be a rematch. Too bad Carwin never worked on his cardio.
 

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I can't believe he was able to take all of those shots in the 1st round. What a tough MF. Can't wait to see him fight Cain.
 

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QUOTE (j44thor @ Jul 4 2010, 12:22 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3059489
A lesser name gets stopped in the 1st. Carwin was punishing him and it is very debateable if Lesnar was intelligently defending himself. Carwin simply punched himself out. Should definitely be a rematch. Too bad Carwin never worked on his cardio.


This always happens though. Recent examples:

Mir v. Lesnar II - Mir takes ALOT of punishment before it's stopped
Mir v. Carwin - Mir takes like 30 unanswered shots and that's while he is laying flat on his stomach.

Lesnar is a beast and he keeps evolving. Who the fuck thought Brock even knew what a Arm Triangle was?? And Carwin has no gas tank.

Awesome PPV all around.
 

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Lesner might be one of a handful of men on the planet capable of taking that Carwin onslaught without losing consciousness. He's certainly a tough SOB and a developing as a beast on the ground.
 

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QUOTE (rembrat @ Jul 4 2010, 12:27 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3059491
This always happens though. Recent examples:

Mir v. Lesnar II - Mir takes ALOT of punishment before it's stopped
Mir v. Carwin - Mir takes like 30 unanswered shots and that's while he is laying flat on his stomach.

Lesnar is a beast and he keeps evolving. Who the fuck thought Brock even knew what a Arm Triangle was?? And Carwin has no gas tank.

Awesome PPV all around.


Yeah it was pretty crazy to see Lesnar give up mount to focus on the triangle. That was a really ballsy move for someone with little submission game. Also interesting to hear Lesnar talk about Carwin's punches become less and less effective, I assume he was letting the ref know he could take it the whole time.

Carwin has some unbelievable natural ability, you just have to wonder if better coaching would make a difference. You simply can't gas against someone like Lesnar in the 1st round. Wish I could go back and see how many clean shots Carwin landed, Lesnar was definitely covering up well.

Mad props to pdaj for the info on the stream. I literally turned it on for Carwin's walk up to the ring.
 

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Lost in the main event excitement is Cris Leben! Wow! What a fight. That motherfucker has to have the best chin in MMA, right? What he did in the span of 2-3 weeks has won me over as a fan.

This card went surprisingly well, not much star power but every fight was awesome.
 

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QUOTE (rembrat @ Jul 4 2010, 12:48 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3059499
Lost in the main event excitement is Cris Leben! Wow! What a fight. That motherfucker has to have the best chin in MMA, right? What he did in the span of 2-3 weeks has won me over as a fan.


QUOTE (mikeford @ Jul 4 2010, 12:52 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3059501
Chris Leben: looks like a douche, fights like a God.

That fight was unbelievable.


Read my mind. Personally, I find the dude hard to like, but he's a helluva fighter. 'Def earned points in my book tonight.

At certain junctures during the fight, I felt as though Akiyama could have ended it with the right combination, but he just didn't have the burst of energy required to get it done. I was disappointed with his lack of killer instinct.

Leben certainly won the battle of "heart" ... and the submission to take it as time was dwindling was impressive.
 

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QUOTE (j44thor @ Jul 4 2010, 12:35 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3059495
Carwin has some unbelievable natural ability, you just have to wonder if better coaching would make a difference. You simply can't gas against someone like Lesnar in the 1st round. Wish I could go back and see how many clean shots Carwin landed, Lesnar was definitely covering up well.


When Lesnar had his arms up over his head, his head disappeared. His arms are enormous. Great fight and amazing display by Brock to take that beating, get up with a smile and finish the fight quickly in the second round.

Brock Lesnar isn't human. He's going to destroy Cain Velasquez, then there should be a really good rematch with Carwin.

The Leben fight was outstanding, too. Stephan Bonnar won me over, as well. Really great card tonight, despite the lack of big names.
 

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Personally, I don't see much of a case for the fight being stopped. Brock covered for a looong time, yes, but he always responded to the refs calls for more activity, fought to establish wrist control, and made efforts to get Carwin off of him. And bear in mind, he wasn't saved by the bell, Carwin was off him and Lesnar was attempting another takedown before the end of the round. It wasn't like Brock was lying prone the entire time.

Anyways, came away heavily impressed with both fighters. Even though Carwin's had twice as many fights as Brock, it just came off how RAW he looked, at least to me. He's had so many easy first round wins, I don't think he ever had his weaknesses exposed for him to work on. Brock, meanwhile, with the Mir and Couture fights, was given a lot to work on, and even if his standing strikes still aren't excellent, he learned a lot. In fact, this fight had me flashing back to Lesnar vs. Mir 1.
 

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QUOTE (Snodgrass'Muff @ Jul 4 2010, 12:15 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3059513
Brock Lesnar isn't human. He's going to destroy Cain Velasquez,


Totally agree. I don't know how people really think Cain will be the one to derail the freight train that is Brock Lesnar.

Cain is a great wrestler and has cardio for days but let's face it, he hits like your younger sister and is about 35-40 pounds lighter than Brock. You see how fighters use their hands to disrupt the breathing of their opponents when they are on the floor? I think that is exactly what Brock does when he has his chest on your chest, only, it's a lot worse.

And there is noooo way in hell Cain can defend a shot from Brock. None.

EDIT: And concerning a rematch, Dana said that Cain is next in line and the winner of JDS and Roy Nelson gets the next shot at the strap.
 

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I wouldn't doubt Cain. He is an extremely well rounded fighter. The problem is, and will always be with Brock and Carwin in the HW division is their size. Which is unfortunate, because Cain is a better fighter. I'm really hoping I don't have to watch him get mauled or beat up. I like the guy a lot and would like to see him hold the belt, but I just don't see how he can deal with Brock's immense size and strength, not to mention that Brock is one tough motherfucker.
 

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Agreed. If this was a few years ago, Cain would currently be the HW champ, but it's a new day in that division.

If there are no issues, Brock vs Cain could go down at UFC 119 (!!!), that's in September folks. Extremely quick turnaround if it happens.
 

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QUOTE (Myt1 @ Jul 6 2010, 12:14 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3061751
That was probably the best card I've ever seen. Amazing fights.


My brother in law kept saying how impressed he was with who ever was tasked with setting up the cards recently. There have been some outstanding pay-per-views in the last year.
 

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Or as Joe Rogan calls him.. "match maker extraordinaire."

And both Shane and Brock's teams were made aware that who ever won, if health permitted, would defend the belt against Cain at UFC 119. That card is in need of a main event. GSP won't be defending until TUF is over. Silva is defending next month as is Frankie. Shogun is out until March so they're probably some kind of interim belt for the 205 in the meanwhile but not for a while.
 

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Shit. No Brock/Cain for UFC 119. I guess you guys were right.

The main event is Mir/Big Nog II which should be awesome in its own right. Mir is going back down to his weight (240-245) and still thinks he can hang with Brock.
Co-main event is Bader/Lil Nog which will be sick too!

The rest of the card is looking stacked too..

Guillard/Stephens
Sherk/Dunham(!!)

And there is still one slot to fill. Hopefully none of the Nogs come down with staph and Sherk can actually make it to fight night.
 

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QUOTE (rembrat @ Jul 8 2010, 02:24 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3065918
Shit. No Brock/Cain for UFC 119. I guess you guys were right.

The main event is Mir/Big Nog II which should be awesome in its own right. Mir is going back down to his weight (240-245) and still thinks he can hang with Brock.
Co-main event is Bader/Lil Nog which will be sick too!

The rest of the card is looking stacked too..

Guillard/Stephens
Sherk/Dunham(!!)

And there is still one slot to fill. Hopefully none of the Nogs come down with staph and Sherk can actually make it to fight night.



Sign Leben vs. Wanderlei and enjoy the carnage. Say what you want about the guy but Leben comes to fight every time. He's the Anti Koscheck. No wonder why they hated each other so much.
 

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Wand is hurt. But that would be a candidate for fight of the year! Could you imagine if Wand comes out in his old slugging ways?? I would love to see Leben and Wanderlei in the middle of the octagon, just throwing, both of them in full on zombie mode!
 

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legenday K-1 fighter Mark Hunt (30-13 in K-1, 5-6 in MMA) will be making his UFC Debut at UFC 119 vs young prospect Sean McCorkle.

Hunt, who holds wins in PRIDE vs Mirko Cro-Cop and Wanderlei Silva has not won an MMA fight since his stoppage of Tsuyoshi Kohsaka on May 5th, 2006. He's on a 5 fight losing streak having lost to Fedor, Overeem, Josh Barnett, Gegard Mousasi and Melvin Manhoef
 

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So much for Dana's comment about the UFC signing guys coming off of loses. I guess that just applies to Fedor.
 

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QUOTE (rembrat @ Jul 8 2010, 02:24 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=3065918
And there is still one slot to fill. Hopefully none of the Nogs come down with staph and Sherk can actually make it to fight night.


Chris Lytle vs Matt Serra agreed upon for UFC 119. Nice.

Brock vs Cain confirmed for UFC 121 in October.