The Zen of Rooting for Club and Country

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URI said:
and becoming identified with a club.
 
I love this game but only watch the national team games because I really cant figure out who I want to follow closely.  I've seen Barca play at Camp Nou which makes my loyalty feel like it should go that way but thats like rooting for a front runner team while they are front runners and that doesnt fit well with my Red Sox psyche ... I follow Real Salt Lake enough to be able to talk about them primarily because they are the closest team to me but thats about it ... I'd love to find a team to follow but I cant figure out where to even start ...
 

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For example, I would love nothing more than the people who are in this forum stuck around through the next few years until France'16, learning the game, understanding it, and becoming identified with a club. Not only will the overall quality of the forum be better, with deeper discussion, but when the circus comes in, we'll have less garbage when it shows up.
Here's my problem. I've been a fairly regular poster here for years, but just in the USMNT threads. I watch and follow the national team constantly, but I can't get into club soccer because I don't know how to pick a team to follow.

It just seems wrong to pick a team without a good reason too. I could follow MLS, I guess, and be a DC united or Revs fan, but watching MLS every now and then, it's clearly not great soccer and doesn't really seem worth my effort. If Blackburn Rovers made it back up to the premier league, I could follow them easily enough (Blackburn's my last name), but I can't just start following Liverpool or Roma or Barca or whoever for no good reason.

If I recall, Simmons had a whole article or series of articles on this when he decided he'd follow the EPL a few years ago. How the hell are you supposed to just pick a team to like/follow?

I've got nothing. So I'm likely to continue to just show up in the USMNT threads going forward.

EDIT: or what wibi said.
 

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Here's my problem. I've been a fairly regular poster here for years, but just in the USMNT threads. I watch and follow the national team constantly, but I can't get into club soccer because I don't know how to pick a team to follow.

It just seems wrong to pick a team without a good reason too. I could follow MLS, I guess, and be a DC united or Revs fan, but watching MLS every now and then, it's clearly not great soccer and doesn't really seem worth my effort. If Blackburn Rovers made it back up to the premier league, I could follow them easily enough (Blackburn's my last name), but I can't just start following Liverpool or Roma or Barca or whoever for no good reason.

If I recall, Simmons had a whole article or series of articles on this when he decided he'd follow the EPL a few years ago. How the hell are you supposed to just pick a team to like/follow?

I've got nothing. So I'm likely to continue to just show up in the USMNT threads going forward.

EDIT: or what wibi said.
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling this way. 
 

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Less people are forgetting each cycle thought. And that's a good thing.

For example, I would love nothing more than the people who are in this forum stuck around through the next few years until France'16, learning the game, understanding it, and becoming identified with a club. Not only will the overall quality of the forum be better, with deeper discussion, but when the circus comes in, we'll have less garbage when it shows up.

Brandi Chastain was on Chopped. She won her "Athletes" group (against Charles Oakley/Greg Louganis/JJK) and finished 2nd overall, losing to Michael Imperioli
 
I'm with you, and yes, interest in soccer has been on the rise in the US since 1994 or so, and while the interest growth is slow, it is at least steady.
 
For me, I started getting more interested after being mesmerized by Barça's 2010 UEFA win over Man U. I was chatting with a British friend of mine and asked him how people in the States generally pick a team (I root for Boston because I'm from Boston, EPL isn't quite so easy). I forget his exact words, but it amounted to, "You're Jewish, you should be a Spurs fan." That's obviously a bit simplistic, but since it predated FSG's acquisition of Liverpool by a couple of months, it seemed as good a reason as any (had I started watching later, I'd probably be an LFC fan), and I liked the club's history along with the Spurs not being an obvious pick for Americans, like Chelsea or Man U.
 
Having said all that, I'm still a relatively casual fan and yet I'd imagine more of a fan than most of the people who have been giving the World Cup its big ratings. I think the audience will continue to grow, but I also think the World Cup interest is unique for its quadrennial occurrence and the United States' performance. It may have some predictive value for soccer interest going forward, but I suspect that will be very limited.
 

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Excuses are like assholes, everyone's got one. ;-)
 
Why not follow an MLS team?  I like the Revs quite a bit, but feel guilty I don't support them more.  If they actually built a stadium closer than Foxboro, I'd have season tickets in a cocaine heartbeat.
 
Why not follow Blackburn? Don't worry about the Championship or League 1 or 2- that's what things like ESPN3 and frontrowsports are for.  Hell, it's not as if Infield Infidel or Mascho or I stopped following Newcastle a few years ago during their TROPHY WINNING ROMP through the Championship.
 
Hell, I can't watch them, but I pretty closely follow a Conference South team b/c my other half's granddad lives a half mile from their grounds.  Doesn't have to be a compelling reason or anything, just pick! 
 
EDIT:  One of the big reasons why I like following soccer abroad is specifically because I got to choose who to follow.  I've said it here before, but I got in to Newcastle via FIFA like 10 years ago- doesn't have to be a strong or good reason.  I don't really have a choice w/r/t baseball and football and the like for geographic and family reasons, but I do with European soccer.  Hell- while I'll always be a Newcastle guy, I've got no problem admitting I pull for Chelsea hard in any game they aren't lining up against NUFC.  I'd feel weird doing that with any other baseball team or whatever.
 

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I forget his exact words, but it amounted to, "You're Jewish, you should be a Spurs fan." That's obviously a bit simplistic, but since it predated FSG's acquisition of Liverpool by a couple of months, it seemed as good a reason as any (had I started watching later, I'd probably be an LFC fan), and I liked the club's history along with the Spurs not being an obvious pick for Americans, like Chelsea or Man U.
 
 
I'll just leave this here...
 

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I love this game but only watch the national team games because I really cant figure out who I want to follow closely.  I've seen Barca play at Camp Nou which makes my loyalty feel like it should go that way but thats like rooting for a front runner team while they are front runners and that doesnt fit well with my Red Sox psyche ... I follow Real Salt Lake enough to be able to talk about them primarily because they are the closest team to me but thats about it ... I'd love to find a team to follow but I cant figure out where to even start ...
 
 
djhb20 said:
Here's my problem. I've been a fairly regular poster here for years, but just in the USMNT threads. I watch and follow the national team constantly, but I can't get into club soccer because I don't know how to pick a team to follow.

It just seems wrong to pick a team without a good reason too. I could follow MLS, I guess, and be a DC united or Revs fan, but watching MLS every now and then, it's clearly not great soccer and doesn't really seem worth my effort. If Blackburn Rovers made it back up to the premier league, I could follow them easily enough (Blackburn's my last name), but I can't just start following Liverpool or Roma or Barca or whoever for no good reason.

If I recall, Simmons had a whole article or series of articles on this when he decided he'd follow the EPL a few years ago. How the hell are you supposed to just pick a team to like/follow?

I've got nothing. So I'm likely to continue to just show up in the USMNT threads going forward.

EDIT: or what wibi said.
My advice is just...let your club pick you.

Like thats what I did with Spurs*, and I have had 8 years of crotch punching since. It makes me feel like 2002 all over again, fandom-wise. wibi, if you pick up with Barca, run with them. Read about their history (it's pretty awesome, actually), and embrace them. Don't tell someone who roots for Espanoyol that you are rooting for Barca because they are fun...tell them you got a chance to see them and you fell in love with the club at Camp Nou.

djhb, Rovers are in the Championship, but they are the only non-ManU, ManCity, Arsenal, Chelsea club to win the Premier League. They will be hard to follow, but you can troll SJH when they beat Norwich twice this year. Or pick Everton or something.

Don't worry about the bandwagon affect unless you act like a bandwagoner. Getting in someones face because Barca beat Sevilla is fuckface behavior...but it's easy enough to do. I mean the team that has the biggest "bandwagon" affects on this board are Arsenal^ (literary) and Liverpool (Red Sox connection), and outside of a few people, they are generally not fuckfaces.

*Don't pick Spurs unless you hate yourself. Which I obviously do.
^This isn't true...there is an Arsenal fan on this board that says he won't post in the Arsenal threads because their fans here are so obnoxious.
 

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Excuses are like assholes, everyone's got one. ;-)
 
Why not follow an MLS team?  I like the Revs quite a bit, but feel guilty I don't support them more.  If they actually built a stadium closer than Foxboro, I'd have season tickets in a cocaine heartbeat.
 
Why not follow Blackburn? Don't worry about the Championship or League 1 or 2- that's what things like ESPN3 and frontrowsports are for.  Hell, it's not as if Infield Infidel or Mascho or I stopped following Newcastle a few years ago during their TROPHY WINNING ROMP through the Championship.
 
Hell, I can't watch them, but I pretty closely follow a Conference South team b/c my other half's granddad lives a half mile from their grounds.  Doesn't have to be a compelling reason or anything, just pick! 
 
EDIT:  One of the big reasons why I like following soccer abroad is specifically because I got to choose who to follow.  I've said it here before, but I got in to Newcastle via FIFA like 10 years ago- doesn't have to be a strong or good reason.  I don't really have a choice w/r/t baseball and football and the like for geographic and family reasons, but I do with European soccer.  Hell- while I'll always be a Newcastle guy, I've got no problem admitting I pull for Chelsea hard in any game they aren't lining up against NUFC.  I'd feel weird doing that with any other baseball team or whatever.
 
I mean, look at the quality of these shirts.  Those were good times.
 

 
With the coverage offered by NBCSN both on TV and online, now is a great time to start following a Premier League side.  Every game is televised or streamed online, so you can watch a few different clubs and pick a side that interests you.  Or play around with different clubs on FIFA 14 or Football Manager.  
 
Or just scan through the different team specific threads here on SoSH and learn about the clubs that way.  Just, don't support Newcastle unless you have a masochistic streak or enjoy drinking yourself silly on Saturday mornings to numb the pain.  
 

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MLS average attendance is now a large as France's top league. I don't understand the "will soccer make it in America" stuff.
 
Nor do I understand the argument that Americans ought to follow the Premier League. The Premier League isn't even good for England. (It does a pretty shitty job of developing English players compared to the Bundesliga developing Germans, for example.) The future of the sport in this country is going to depend on how we support homegrown MLS guys like Deandre Yedlin rather than how much interest Americans take in Luis Suarez.
 
People should follow whatever league they want.  But the logic of following the EPL (or La Liga or whatever other European league) is obvious - many of us want to watch the sport played at the highest levels.  Its the same reason very few people really "follow" a High A baseball team, above and beyond being interested in prospects.
 
There's no reason, however, that one can't follow both the EPL and MLS.
 
 
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Here's my problem. I've been a fairly regular poster here for years, but just in the USMNT threads. I watch and follow the national team constantly, but I can't get into club soccer because I don't know how to pick a team to follow.
 
Ultimately, you just have to dive in and start following a team.  At least when it comes to the Premier League, people will give you strong reasons against every club - Chel$ki and Citeh are run by oil oligarchs buying success, United are like the Yankees, Liverpool are like the Yankees except if they sort of sucked for two decades, Arsenal has the most insufferable fanbase, Spurs and Everton and Newcastle will bring you nothing but misery, everybody else will be lucky to just not get relegated eventually.  There's a reason not to follow every team but you just have to say fuck it and choose, and afterwards you'll get into the club and the whole angsting over the club thing will eventually be completely forgotten.
 

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I also wouldn't be too concerned with the X's and O's either.  I watch a fair amount of soccer now and have for several years, but I'm far from the analysis that others here on the board provide.  I'll read Zonal Marking, play Football Manager badly (more than I ought to) and understand what different formations are, but I just really get off on watching the games and pulling for a team.  I can't really talk with any expertise on the relative merits of a 4-5-1 versus a diamond 4-4-2 or the like, and I think that's OK here (and in general).  I just enjoy complaining about Mike Ashley and pointing out that SHOLA AMEOBI has more World Cup appearances than Gareth Bale. 
 

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Watch games, lots of games, and let your team pick you. You'll have a team by the end of the season. 
 
Don't be like me and pick a team based on a beer you liked when you were 22. 
 

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I picked Sunderland back when Claudio Reyna was playing.  Now they've got Jozy, an american owner, and they'll remind you of what it felt like to be a sox fan pre-2004-- the perfect trifecta!
 

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Right, I guess the ownership thing suggest supporting Liverpool.  Still, I just don't feel the connection to a team that I'm randomly supporting.  Maybe that's fine, and once my kid gets older, we'll start going to DC United matches, and I'll care more about MLS.
 
While I didn't grow up playing, it's gotten to the point where I really do enjoy (love might be too strong a word) the sport, since I went to grad school and met lots of Europeans and South Americans.  Maybe I should just dive in, but it just feels weird having no natural connection to a team.  I've got British cousins- I don't know them very well, but maybe I should just follow whoever they do. 
 
It's not a bad problem to have, I guess.
 

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I love this game but only watch the national team games because I really cant figure out who I want to follow closely.  I've seen Barca play at Camp Nou which makes my loyalty feel like it should go that way but thats like rooting for a front runner team while they are front runners and that doesnt fit well with my Red Sox psyche ... I follow Real Salt Lake enough to be able to talk about them primarily because they are the closest team to me but thats about it ... I'd love to find a team to follow but I cant figure out where to even start ...
 
The Atletico thread could provide some inspiration. 
 

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I've said it too many times, but DO NOT follow a team in danger of relegation from the Premier League. Right now if you follow a PL team you can watch every single game and the overall coverage makes a team very accessible from across the pond. You want to sign up to root for Rovers or Wolves or Forest or some other club with history, then you can watch them play 4-5 times on shitty internet feeds and skulk around message boards trying to get any news about the team.
 
Stoke could use more fans.
 

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Also, support local soccer. I'm making a real effort this year to support the Revs, even though their own ownership would probably they rather fucked off.

Finally, we have a lot of Spurs fans on the board (relatively). A friend of mine said that rooting for Arsenal is expecting a team you love to lose. Rooting for Spurs is expecting a team you hate to win...which I feel is pretty accurate.

So be prepared for that if you pick Spurs. fletch is more diplomatic about Spurs being a proper club than I am.
 

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You want to learn about a club and it's players? Go download the demo of Football Manager 14. Right now. Or buy it--it's on sale for $25 (normally $50) at Steam until the end of June.
 
You'll pretty quickly figure out why a certain team always seems to attack down the left flank or only play one striker up top. Hell, I learned very quickly when I took over the Tranmere Rovers that keeper Owain fon Williams is never fucking happy, Danny Holmes can't go 90 minutes, and the youth team sucked.
 
Then they fired me after I went 1-4-7 (in the US way of W/L/T). I guess my glorious run to the quarterfinals of the Johnstown's Paint Trophy competition just didn't fucking matter. Whatever, Welling United FC and I were meant for each other.
 

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It would probably be hard to find games to watch but, solely in terms of diversifying the content on this forum, it would be awesome if a couple people started seriously following Italian teams.  There are so many great players in Serie A but there is almost no discussion or individual team threads for Juventus/Milan/Inter/Roma/Napoli/etc.
 

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I've said it too many times, but DO NOT follow a team in danger of relegation from the Premier League. Right now if you follow a PL team you can watch every single game and the overall coverage makes a team very accessible from across the pond. You want to sign up to root for Rovers or Wolves or Forest or some other club with history, then you can watch them play 4-5 times on shitty internet feeds and skulk around message boards trying to get any news about the team.
 
Stoke could use more fans.
 
This is true, but at the same time there's something compelling about rooting for a team that's trying to get themselves establish in the Premier League. I mean, Norwich went from the EPL to the Championship to League 1 in the span of about 4 years, then back up to the EPL in 2. Then 3 in the EPL and then back to the Championship this year. It's compelling watching. Of course it's also a constant kick in the balls, but still.
 
What I tend to do if Norwich is down is to still follow them and then follow Villa in the EPL, just to have a team to watch on TV all the time.
 

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Agree with URI and the others...if you start watching the games, over time you'll find yourself drawn to a certain team or player. Eventually I just took to Suarez and Liverpool. He was just so damned good and fun to watch, and it didn't hurt that Liverpool has the Sox connections.
 
The BPL is just a fun league to follow. It's high quality play, and it's SO much better watching BPL matches on Sunday mornings during football season than sitting through dreadful pregame shows waiting for 1pm to arrive.
 

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I'll plug West Ham.
 
Working Class London's team. Known for developing many of England's best players they usually have a lot of young players come up through the Academy.
Currently owned by two guys who grew up poor then made a fortune in pornography and related fields.
Moving into the Olympic stadium in a few years, which may lead to increased budgets.
 

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Convert here, too.   Took awhile, but will watch EPL when I can, including the midnight replays on NBCSN.   Saw Liverpool Roma at Fenway last year, enjoyed it.  Saw US Costa Rica at the Rent, and inadvertently sat in the nutty American fan section with my friend and our 8 year olds.   It was an absolute blast.
 
I was very busy with kids sports etc yesterday, so dvr'd the US game, and got home before wife and kids did, so watched it without knowing result starting 8 pm.   Wife got home, complained about not cleaning up the house while I was watching the game, and my reaction was near anger.   I must be a fan!
 
5 years ago, no way I'd thought I'd ever type the above.
 
I've taken to Liverpool for reasons mentioned by El Jeffe above, hopefully that's not too much an offense.
 

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I'll plug West Ham.
 
Working Class London's team. Known for developing many of England's best players they usually have a lot of young players come up through the Academy.
Currently owned by two guys who grew up poor then made a fortune in pornography and related fields.
Moving into the Olympic stadium in a few years, which may lead to increased budgets.
And every few years, gets in trouble making gas hissing noises during games with Spurs.
 

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And every few years, gets in trouble making gas hissing noises during games with Spurs.
Those are mostly the firm assholes that the club is trying to get rid of, the club has been much better at actually banning them than other clubs that just shrug at racist chants by their fans.
Also I don't think Tottenham exactly has the high ground considering that they (like most teams) have had plenty of recent trouble of their own with their racist fans.
 

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URI said:
Also, support local soccer. I'm making a real effort this year to support the Revs, even though their own ownership would probably they rather fucked off.
The Revs aren't an EPL team, but glossing over the local team because somebody on the Internet say MLS sucks is foolish. Lots of fun to watch young talent. Bit of a buzz kill watching games in the big stadium (which looks awful even when 25k show up), but seats are always available. Live is always better than tv.

And you can watch me take one of my youth teams onto the field during The Night of Champions in July.
 

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Those are mostly the firm assholes that the club is trying to get rid of, the club has been much better at actually banning them than other clubs that just shrug at racist chants by their fans.
Also I don't think Tottenham exactly has the high ground considering that they (like most teams) have had plenty of recent trouble of their own with their racist fans.
I'm not claiming much high ground, just pointing out that West Ham have a particularly ugly history with it (which I think ties into their working-class roots).

I wince hard when I hear about how fans treated Sol Campbell when he went to Arsenal, and the nation widestuff that went on with Adebayor was embarrassing. There are no virgins in England, and England is one of the better leagues when it comes to that in Europe.
 

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For the people who have chosen an EPL team, how much does a bad loss really bother you? And conversely, how much does a great win excite you? I have a hard time believing that it approaches Red Sox, Pats, Bruins, or Celtics level for many. Basically, if Liverpool lost an EPL title like the US "lost" yesterday, does that even remotely approach Helmet Catch, Aaron Boone, 2010 NBA finals, 2013 Stanley Cup, etc? I just don't see how it would.
When Spurs lose a close game, it affects me more than any team in a non-playoff situation. But Tottenham dropping 6 points, and crashing out of the cup by Arsenal's hand last year pissed me off way more than the Patriots losing to the Broncos. Not as much as losing to the Canadiens though.

Big wins absolutely please me as much as anything though...like when we beat Manchester United this year, I was really excited.

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Now, that's not to say that I don't think a rooting interest can't be cultivated over time but I have a hard time imagining that similar passion can be created or developed over time. To me, rooting for an EPL team that I arbitrarily selected would be the equivalent of rooting for my brother's college. Yes, I'd like for them to win but if they don't, it will have no impact on my mood. Wish I had that level of zen with the Boston teams or my own school.
YMMV, I care much more about a regular season Spurs win than any of the four Boston teams I grew up watching.
 

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I've got no problem admitting I pull for Chelsea hard in any game they aren't lining up against NUFC.
Speaking about assholes...
 

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For the people who have chosen an EPL team, how much does a bad loss really bother you? And conversely, how much does a great win excite you? I have a hard time believing that it approaches Red Sox, Pats, Bruins, or Celtics level for many. Basically, if Liverpool lost an EPL title like the US "lost" yesterday, does that even remotely approach Helmet Catch, Aaron Boone, 2010 NBA finals, 2013 Stanley Cup, etc? I just don't see how it would.

Now, that's not to say that I don't think a rooting interest can't be cultivated over time but I have a hard time imagining that similar passion can be created or developed over time. To me, rooting for an EPL team that I arbitrarily selected would be the equivalent of rooting for my brother's college. Yes, I'd like for them to win but if they don't, it will have no impact on my mood. Wish I had that level of zen with the Boston teams or my own school.
Well, I didn't pick Liverpool arbitrarily, and I've been supporting them for a very long time, but I'm still not over them just missing out on the title this year.
 

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URI said:
When Spurs lose a close game, it affects me more than any team in a non-playoff situation. But Tottenham dropping 6 points, and crashing out of the cup by Arsenal's hand last year pissed me off way more than the Patriots losing to the Broncos. Not as much as losing to the Canadiens though.

Big wins absolutely please me as much as anything though...like when we beat Manchester United this year, I was really excited.


YMMV, I care much more about a regular season Spurs win than any of the four Boston teams I grew up watching.
 
I agree with this 100%.  Newcastle finishing 5th two seasons ago with Ba and Cisse each going on half season scoring rampages was perhaps the most fun I've ever had following any sport. 
 

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People on a Red Sox board are having difficulty identifying with a club team? It's staring you in the face.
 
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Exactly.
 
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I also wouldn't stress too much about picking "a" club. What will likely end up happening is that even beyond that club, you'll find yourself constructing a weird hybrid hierarchy-web of rooting interests in the teams in the league.
 
So Newcastle are my team (originally just because I like the beer, but now because I've acquired a Toon-native brother-in-law), meaning I for them no matter who they are playing, or how big a turdsmoker their owner is. But I've also developed subsidiary interests in other teams in other categories. Among the Big 5, I'd prefer to see Arsenal or Liverpool win rather than Chelsea and Citeh, and have concluded that Man U is the absolute worst. Among smaller teams, I pulled for Fulham for a while because they had several American players. That hierarchy is changeable over time, depending on playing style, changes in ownership, etc.
 
I recognize that to somebody who is obsessed enough with one specific baseball team that he'd join a message board just to talk about them more, this is a very different way to process fanship. But it's a nice change if you let it happen. I also think it's why folks who follow the EPL tend to end up as fans of the sport in general, not just a club.
 
tl;dr: Just watch a bunch of games with a bunch of teams and you'll figure the rest out.
 

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Watch as many games from as many countries as you can in the upcoming European season and before the end of the season, you'll realise that you're spending hours on the internet visiting fan sites, discussing reserve team players with random strangers and spending significant amounts of hard-earned dollars on a third-kit that you wouldn't normally be seen dead in.
 
Then you know the team for you. It's organic, a totally natural process. Don't try to force the issue because it will never feel right.
 
You might like the name of the main striker, the stadium might remind you of a high-school stadium where you had your first kiss (or more), or maybe your ancestors came from a small town in the north of England and the old country is calling you back (think Burnley).
 
Or forget all that and just choose Liverpool.
 
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For the people who have chosen an EPL team, how much does a bad loss really bother you? And conversely, how much does a great win excite you? 
 
Unlike URI, soccer still ranks behind the four American sports for me. Right now I would love for all of my teams to win a championship, but the current order of preference would be Pats, Celtics, Bruins, Red Sox, Spurs. This varies based on timing more than anything (the Pats are nearing the end of Brady's window, the Lakers are one championship away from tying the Celtics, and we've seen recent Bruins and Sox titles), but the Spurs would likely stay in fifth place for the foreseeable future for me.
 

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Wait til you see what I'm doing mid September.  Going to be like worshiping Satan.
Oh my...I'm going to scream Danny Boy from the back the whole time.
 

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Among the Big 5, I'd prefer to see Arsenal or Liverpool win rather than Chelsea and Citeh, and have concluded that Man U is the absolute worst.
A very sensible position.

But, in seriousness, I (Arsenal fan) do much the same thing. I rooted hard for City to beat United to win that first title (because fuck everything about United), but this year was firmly behind Liverpool (because fuck City and their oil bloodmoney). I generally root for Southampton because they're a likeable club in general and I generally root against Stoke because they're extremely hateable and their fans are a bunch of nazi pigfuckers.

Its a lot like the NFL, where once you've started to follow the league enough you acquire plenty of reasons to have a rooting interest even in matches not involving your favorite club.
 

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For the people who have chosen an EPL team, how much does a bad loss really bother you? And conversely, how much does a great win excite you?
 
It's a weird hybrid for me. I think because I've been spoiled in my rooting interests (Sox, Pats, Bruins, Celtics) that rooting for the Spurs (yes, another one) is completely different. I get the long-suffering component of their fans from being a Sox fan and once you jump on board there's guaranteed to be a nut-punch loss coming your way very soon so you'll learn very quickly what rooting for them is all about.
 
I've found with other sports I don't live and die with them as much--at least until the postseason. But as the Spurs chances for the top 4 were drifting away this year it bothered me a lot. Soccer has been what I've become passionate about. I think a lot of that is that my son gravitated toward soccer (he tried baseball, which was my sport, and it didn't stick) and as he's progressed I've watched more and more because it finally gave me a sport to watch with him where he was knowledgeable and interested in it. That didn't happen with other sports. I'm invested in soccer now--we go to most of the home games of the local college, we go to the semi-pro team in the NPSL (my son is in their Academy program), and I died a little yesterday when that header went in.
 

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I did my junior year abroad at University of Reading in 91-92 when the Royals were in the old 3rd Division and playing at their original home Elm Park.  Elm Park was great in that you could pay to stand in the stands or sit on a hill  at one end of the pitch for free and watch.  The Royals didn't do well that year barely breaking 500 at home and finishing mid-table.  But I loved going and being a part of it (whether in the stands or on the hill) and became a fan especially of the fact that they had Mark McGhee as a player-manager, I was doing the same thing coaching and playing for the Universities hoops club and I felt an instant bond. That same year the point guard on the university team who was from Liverpool offered me a chance to go to Anfield and stand in the Kop.  We went and stood and watched as the 'pool dismantled a poor and soon to be relegated Notts County team 4-0 (thanks Wiki I remembered something like 7 goals in that game so clearly my memory is going.)  Every time Liverpool attacked the Kop end the entire section surged forward.  I have never been so exhilirated and terrified in my life.  I got to go back after pestering him mercilessly and saw eventual champion Leeds play Liverpool to a 0-0 draw.  I was totally hooked by this huge club with amazing history and fans that challenged for the highest honors just as much as I was by the "little" Royals.
 
The good news for me was I could be fans of both clubs without really having to worry about it...until 8 years ago when Reading made it to Premier League. Suddenly I had to choose but like Mascho only when they played each other.  I watch Liverpool every weekend if I can and follow them year round via RAWK and the BBC and Who Scored, and SoSH (the regulars in the Liverpool topic are great.)  Reading is a little harder but they have a few dedicated web sites, and I have friends still living there so when I get back (every few years) we go to the Mad Stad and reminisce about the old days on the hill. Next time I head back I want to go back to Anfield.  I still haven't been since spring of '92 and it's still weird for me to see Macca on TV in a suit he was so young then...
 
Also as a New Englander born and bred I root for the Revs but they are way behind the other major teams for me.  It's Sox, Bruins, Reds/Royals, Pats, Celts, Revs for me.
 

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Did I read this write?  Did a poster write that he can't think of a good reason to pick just any club, then in the same paragraph saying picking a club would be easy because Blackburn is his last name  :c070:
 
 
I think I've posted this before, probably in the threads like this that happen after every major tournament, but I don't care who you pick as long as you learn about the team and sport.  As a forum I'd like to think we're pretty welcoming towards posters, but I think everyone has been put through the ringer at least once when they don't back up what they're saying.  I actually think the forum has improved quite a bit over the past few years.  We bust balls a lot (poor Snake gets his fair share, as do the Arsenal fans) but I think at the end of the day we're all just really happy we can talk about soccer with other people on this forum.  
 

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Its a lot like the NFL, where once you've started to follow the league enough you acquire plenty of reasons to have a rooting interest even in matches not involving your favorite club.
 
I root for great games. And this sport provides some incredibly entertaining games. 
 
I also, generally, root against money. In the EPL there are haves (ManU, Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal. Tottenham) and there are have-nots (anyone who has been recently relegated, Everton). When West Brom is clinging to a lead at ManU...how do you NOT root for the minnow? When Sunderland pulls off a miracle victory to stave off relegation and hurt one of the big clubs title shot...how do you NOT root for 18th place over 2nd?
 
The drama of the US-Portugal match sells the game. Without a club-affiliation, you can simply enjoy the game. You can hope for upsets but not become mired in a hostage situation (Newcastle). You can enjoy the artistry of Arsenal's playing style without having to endure the insufferable Arsenal fans. You could even find yourself rooting for a Harry Redknapp coached team - always loads of fun. 
 
Games on NBCSN starting in late August. Come for the Rebecca Lowe, stay for the great drama of the games.
 

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You might like the name of the main striker, the stadium might remind you of a high-school stadium where you had your first kiss (or more), or maybe your ancestors came from a small town in the north of England and the old country is calling you back (think Burnley).
 
 
The latter is how I chose Everton a year or two ago.  I had followed the Premier League casually for decades and was a Bolton supporter, as that's where my Dad was born and raised.  When they went down a couple years ago (seemingly for good, now) I went in search of a new team.  I wanted it to be a nearby NW England / Lancashire team -- first thought was Wigan, but I wanted to avoid (presciently, it turned out) rooting for another team that would fight relegation every year.  The Manchester teams were out -- just felt too much like bandwagon hopping. 
 
That basically left the Liverpool teams.  I was a big Stevie G fan from supporting England (and Liverpool in Champions League matches), and there was the Sox connection... but it just didn't feel right.  The more working class, hard-luck edge to Everton was appealing to me.  The tiebreaker was this: my surname is actually the name of a village in Lancashire.  I Google Mapped it to see which of the two Liverpool parks it was closest to (not much of a difference, for those in the know, as Anfield and Goodison are within a 1/2 mile of each other), and it was ever so slightly closer to Goodison.
 
Now after a year I chant Allez Allez Allez Ohhh with gusto and curse the fookin' Kopites.  It gets into your blood faster than you'd think. And I agree with everyone here that the NBCSports coverage of the EPL is just fantastic and makes it waaaaaay easier to follow and develop these allegiances.
 

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After I lost the Sonics, I couldn't watch the NBA for a few years and since EPL is the same time of year as NBA, I started watching more Newcastle matches. 
 
It's totally ok to keep a second eye on teams in other leagues. It's kinda like being a Sox fan but having a "favorite" team in the National League. I picked up AFC Wimbledon since they went through the same thing as the Sonics.* I like to play with a lot of different teams on FIFA, so I check out those teams too. It adds a lot to the general knowledge of the players. 
 
*Another great thing about football in Europe is that teams almost never move. Teams will sometimes join up (hence Manchester "United"), but teams are a vital part of the local fabric, so moving is anathema. If a team goes bankrupt (or, rarely, moves), the fans could take it over or create new team. Wimbledon fans went so far as to create their own team in lower levels of English football. It's been fun to follow their rise up to League 2. Imagine if Sonics fans could create a new Sonics amateur team and they could rise to the NBDL. 
 

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City is getting a raw deal here.  We're busting up the traditional top 4! We're like David, if David had enough money to buy a really fucking awesome slingshot.
 

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Like many in this country before and after me, I was initially sucked into the rich tapestry of the European game.  Leagues, pyramids, cups, continental competitions.  It played so well into my various interests of sports, history, and geography.
 
I'm a Millennial who was born in 1986.  The first game I remember watching on TV was USA-Switzerland in the 1994 World Cup, which I watched with some interest despite having zero soccer influence from my parents.  (My dad nonetheless coached my team in kindergarten.  No wonder I suck.)  My first USMNT game in person was when I was 11 and made my dad take me and my brother to the USA-El Salvador game in November 1997 in Old Foxboro stadium.  The US won 4-2.
 
Despite all that, I didn't closely follow US soccer at the time.  I was a young teenager and I had few sources of information and nobody to share fandom with.  I basically just had my one friend who is from a Venezuelan family of Italian descent.  He's a supporter of Milan, Salernitana, and Venezuela.  I'd watch Champions League games with him starting with, I think, the 1997-98 tournament -- I remember 1.FC Košice playing for some unknown reason. I pestered my parents into subscribing to the package with Fox Soccer Channel (neé Fox Sports World, which still had stuff like Aussie Rules at the time, which was awesome even though I still don't know what was going on.), as well as to World Soccer magazine.  By this point, the internet had arrived in our household and I somehow discovered rec.sport.soccer.  I still remember this legendary Polish troll, a fan of Lech Poznan, who would somehow turn just about every discussion of European football into a debate about World War II.  Given that Americans tend to be drawn to England in part because that's where English-language sources are, I found myself in truly obscure rabbit holes like Tony Kempster's (RIP) non-league site, which was oddly fascinating and gave me an absurdly detailed knowledge of random towns in England.
 
I never had a European team, though.  It was all too distant and there was nothing I could really identify with as an American.  I didn't pay too much attention to MLS either.  It wasn't that much fun to follow when there's no one to follow it with and information is hard to come by.  When I follow a team, I like to know everything.  But the more I watched all these teams with their histories and dramas, the more I realized I wanted all that stuff in the US and MLS began drawing me in.  Once I found a US soccer internet community, it was over.  A huge part of the fun of being a fan of any sport or team is yapping/discussing/debating and once I found an outlet for all things US soccer, basically, I finally found something I could really get behind.
 
Admittedly, Bob & Jonathan Kraft don't make MLS super easy in Boston.  The stadium situation sucks, the team often sucks (not this year or the last, though), and it's questionable whether the Krafts even remember they own the team.  Still, as a US soccer fan MLS is the most interesting league.  It's where most American players play, it's where most USMNT players come through the ranks, it's where US club teams are building their own histories and traditions, and it's where the US is slowly carving out its place in the world of the sport.
 
MLS isn't the prettiest girl at the dance; she's the girl next door who you suddenly notice after a few years.
 

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City is getting a raw deal here.  We're busting up the traditional top 4! We're like David, if David had enough money to buy a really fucking awesome slingshot.
You're like David, if his rich father had hired a bunch of giants to beat up Goliath.
 

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Honestly, I started listening to the very funny Men in Blazers soccer podcast and that led me to following the EPL casually because I wanted to understand all the jokes. Seriously.

I haven't really picked a team though. I think I want the possibility of going to a game or two. Sorry for the dumb question, but is the quality difference between EPL and MLS something like MLB and double A? Worse?
 

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Honestly, I started listening to the very funny Men in Blazers soccer podcast and that led me to following the EPL casually because I wanted to understand all the jokes. Seriously.

I haven't really picked a team though. I think I want the possibility of going to a game or two. Sorry for the dumb question, but is the quality difference between EPL and MLS something like MLB and double A? Worse?
 
If you are going with that analogy, it really depends on what level of play you'd define as rookie ball.  But yes, there's a significant gap.  MLS is an entertaining league if you give it a chance, though.
 
Regardless of quality of play, the key difference between MLS (and all sub-EPL leagues) and something like AA is that MLS clubs aren't feeder clubs [insert NYCFC joke here].  They contract with their own players and have their own goals, unlike the New Hampshire Fisher Cats, who are staffed by their parent organization and who are operated in a way designed to benefit the parent organization.