This will be Derek Jeter's final season

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“I am envious, jealous of what he has accomplished in his career — the winning,’’ Wright said with passion. “Not even so much what he has accomplished numbers-wise, but I think what he has been able to accomplish with that team as a leader, the winning. It’s something that every young player, every player in general kind of strides to be.’’
 

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Translation: Wright wants WS rings and Jeter has a bunch.
 
Nothing like what the headline suggests.
 

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glennhoffmania said:
Translation: Wright wants WS rings and Jeter has a bunch.
 
Nothing like what the headline suggests.
 
Yeah, if they were going for sensationalism, I would have latched on to the "Not even so much what he has accomplished numbers-wise" as Wright "dissing" Jeter (or however the NY Post would put it).
 

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I hear they were gonna erect a statue, but then found out there's already been a statue of Jeter at short for the last 5 years.
 

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I can't believe precious bandwidth is being wasted on this guy.
 
Is it possible to auto delete every post that has the letters j-e-t-e-r in it?
 
Including this one?
 
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Not me. Shit, I've been working guerrilla to undermine. Wrote this headline for a fawning, sappy column: JETER TOUCHED LITTLE LEAGUE KIDS ALL OVER NY

Just so there'd be a hint of subtext that he was a molester. Not that anyone noticed.
 
If they had published that, I would buy a copy, frame it, and buy another half dozen to send to my friends.  Man would that be awesome.
 
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I like the NY Post (I buy it every day and have for decades), but the headline on their Tanaka piece today was really disconnected to the actual content.
 
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(That would be 'strives', not 'strides', Post copyreaders).
 
Jesus, Jon.  Leo's not the complaint dept.
 

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From "Derek Jeter's Diary" at Grantland.  I'll be sorry when it goes.
 
You know it because there’s only a tiny blank spot on the beautiful canvas of your career where a sixth championship will go, right in the middle of the other five rings, your Yankee Draft Day, The Flip, The Dive, The 3,000th-Hit Homer, The Mo Mound Hug, The Gift Basket, assorted N.Y. Post covers, various Miss Universe pageant winners and world-famous actresses with question marks where their faces should be, because it’s important to keep your private life private, even on your mind-canvas.
 
You know it because there’s still another canvas to fill up with memories, one for a postcareer life that will be every bit as rewarding as your playing days. There will be a perfect wife to be named later, because all former candidates depicted on the earlier canvas are ineligible. There will be two children, Derek Sanderson Steinbrenner Jeter 2 and Lil Captain, both of whom will be professional athletes in another sport, because you’d never allow them to be swallowed by the shadow of your legacy. There will be all the best sellers from the book imprint that saved publishing. There will be a large section devoted to the great consolidation of professional baseball in New York you engineer when you buy, and then immediately disband, the Mets, because they’ve embarrassed the city you love for long enough. It’s a very big canvas because you have a lot of free time in retirement and the desire to achieve greatness never leaves you.
 
Read more here:  http://grantland.com/the-triangle/derek-jeters-diary-its-time/
 

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I'll always remember his fist pump right after scoring on the slappy play and his downtrodden look of disbelief when it was called correctly and he was sent back to first.
 

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smastroyin said:
I'll always remember his fist pump right after scoring on the slappy play and his downtrodden look of disbelief when it was called correctly and he was sent back to first.
And some people still hate Joe West!
 

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.328 OPS in ST right now.  He looks terrible.  I don't think he makes it through the entire season.  He certainly doesn't make it as a starter at SS all season.
 

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.328 OPS in ST right now.  He looks terrible.  I don't think he makes it through the entire season.  He certainly doesn't make it as a starter at SS all season.
 
He hit a couple of balls hard yesterday.  He did hit a couple of fouls off his bad ankle that looked painful and was not running well to 1B in his last AB. 
 

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Funny. I'm averting my eyes from Jeter and trying to focus on the positives of this 2014 team. Maybe he plays well enough to be mediocre and the team wins for other reasons. I'm trying not to define Jeter on what he does this season. His legacy is what it is.
 

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Jeter may or may not be cooked, but even if he isn't, he wouldn't be the first player to have a crappy ST. He's got a lot of rust to shake off.

Edit: autocorrect sucks.
 

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Funny. I'm averting my eyes from Jeter and trying to focus on the positives of this 2014 team. Maybe he plays well enough to be mediocre and the team wins for other reasons. I'm trying not to define Jeter on what he does this season. His legacy is what it is.
 
It would be easier to do if he were not batting 2nd but I understand the difficulties of dropping him down.   He is making frequent contact so i think he just needs to tweak his swing a bit and he will be ok if he stays healthy
 

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In the ST thread someone linked to the Heyman piece on Jeter. For me, this AL scout's money quote is the bellwether: 
 
"He always had the strength to muscle that pitch on the inner half to right field for a base hit. (I) don't see it anymore.”
 
 I haven't seen any of his swings in ST but those inside-out cracks to RF are his doubles power bread and butter. If he can't get to those pitches or if they aren't snapping off the bat anymore he's toast.
 

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Trlicek's Whip said:
In the ST thread someone linked to the Heyman piece on Jeter. For me, this AL scout's money quote is the bellwether: 
 
 
 I haven't seen any of his swings in ST but those inside-out cracks to RF are his doubles power bread and butter. If he can't get to those pitches or if they aren't snapping off the bat anymore he's toast.
Thanks for the 2014 sig. I really don't know if the scout is wrong or right but it would be a helluva story if an aging Jeter somehow got carried to his sixth WS title. This is the best drama of his career. He's wounded now. If Jeter were on Good Wife, you could just kill him.
 

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Trlicek's Whip said:
In the ST thread someone linked to the Heyman piece on Jeter. For me, this AL scout's money quote is the bellwether: 
 
 
 I haven't seen any of his swings in ST but those inside-out cracks to RF are his doubles power bread and butter. If he can't get to those pitches or if they aren't snapping off the bat anymore he's toast.
I agree with this assessment.  
 
But what happens if he is toast?  What if it's entirely clear by mid-May that he no longer has the range of a three-toed sloth and can no longer perform with the bat, either?  What then?  Will the MFY continue to play him at SS?  He's had an amazing career, and he may well infuriate me one more time by doing things that no one expects.  But if he has stayed one year too many, will the Yankees continue to trot him out just because he's Jeter?  
 

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Homar said:
I agree with this assessment.  
 
But what happens if he is toast?  What if it's entirely clear by mid-May that he no longer has the range of a three-toed sloth and can no longer perform with the bat, either?  What then?  Will the MFY continue to play him at SS?  He's had an amazing career, and he may well infuriate me one more time by doing things that no one expects.  But if he has stayed one year too many, will the Yankees continue to trot him out just because he's Jeter?  
The answer is a resounding "yes". If Jeter hits .180 and stays healthy he'll still get 600 PAs if he wants them. There is zero chance the Yankees would sit him for poor performance.

It wouldn't come to that though. If he's *that* bad a few months in my money's is on the Yanks concocting an injury excuse, shelving him til mid-September, and letting him play out the last couple weeks.
 

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Yeah, I can't imagine him being benched. For one, it's not like they have some other great options waiting around or something. Better, sure, but nothing too exciting. For two, the Yankees are probably going be finishing in 3rd again, it's not like he's going to be hurting their playoff chances or something. And for three, aside from being 3 hits away from Paul Molitor, he's 103 hits away from Yaz, 104 hits away from Wagner, and 119 hits away from Cap Anson. So, even with an average floating around .200, he could be looking to move from 10th to as high as 6th on the all-time hits chart - and you can bet the Yankees would love to play that up/cash in on that considering they're not going to have much else going for them this year.
 
If he's able to go out there, the Yankees are going to keep sending him out there.
 

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Hitting Jeter at the top of the lineup against RHP is almost certainly going to make NY a game or two worse this year than they otherwise would have been. 
 

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If you're staying up nights, worrying about Jeter's final season, take a look at how Cal Ripken Jr. finished his career at age 40. 128 games, 512 PAs, .637 OPS, 70 OPS plus. He had grudgingly moved to third base a few years before. That's the problem Jeter presents the Yankees. If they are in a pennant race trying to hide a defensive liability, shortstop is not the place to do it.

I haven't given up on Jeter having a respectable offensive season but defense is an issue, especially if they contend. Girardi has to lift him in late innings of close games, for starters.
 

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terrynever said:
If you're staying up nights, worrying about Jeter's final season, take a look at how Cal Ripken Jr. finished his career at age 40. 128 games, 512 PAs, .637 OPS, 70 OPS plus. He had grudgingly moved to third base a few years before. That's the problem Jeter presents the Yankees. If they are in a pennant race trying to hide a defensive liability, shortstop is not the place to do it.

I haven't given up on Jeter having a respectable offensive season but defense is an issue, especially if they contend. Girardi has to lift him in late innings of close games, for starters.
 
According to Total Zone Ripken was league average at 3B in his last year, and he did hit 14 HR.
 
Jeter of course was 14 runs below average at SS per UZR in his last healthy season 2 years ago, or about 9 runs worse than Ripken factoring in the position adjustment
 
Not to mention Jeters proclivity to hit into DP this ST with an extremely high GB rate.  
 
Like you I have not given up on Jeter, at least offensively, and maybe positioning can help him be passable defensively.
 
Worst case, if he is embarrassing himself into June, I think he ends up on the DL with a phantom injury and takes a month off.  Depending on what the situation is at SS, and where the Yankees are in the race, he probably gets another shot.  I remember in 2011 he was awful for 2 months, went on the DL and came back real strong.  
 

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My previous post was deleted for some reason, is any critical comment towards Captain Intangible cause for banishment? 
My point was I can not wait for the Yankee short stop position, currently held hostage by a 40 year old defensive liability and d.p. machine, to be freed from bondage. 
 

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I deleted all the posts you made this AM, because they were rambling and incoherent. I will do the same to your whole account if you don't pick up the posting quality in the near future.
 
And I agree with your second sentence for the most part, but if you really think there's any truth to your first one, maybe you should do more reading of what others have said before posting. 
 

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I'm as hard core a Yankee hater as they come, but Jeter deserves all the accolades he gets considering the quality of the chicks he's banged.
 

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Considering how exclusive the HOF is (300/is it)?, there’s nothing wrong (in my book) with giving guaranteed future inductees a ceremonial sendoff. Babes were just a plus+ and besides one of them gave him herpes!
 

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Rough Carrigan said:
Seems Kelly Johnson doesn't feel certain that Grandpa Fistpump's going to be able to get to anything.
In fairness that was Johnson's ball.  In fairness, he's probably been told he needs to "cover more ground".
 

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terrisus said:
And in reality, once Johnson missed it, it was coming right at Jeter.
And in reality, once it did, Jeter right on cue missed it as well.  Get used to this awkward moment...!  There will be quite a bit of teeth clenching in the dugout this year.  "You got the next one Jeets!"  Your 2014 All-Star Game starting shortstop!
 

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You guys ought to slow that film down so you can see what everyone saw the night it happened. Johnson deflected the ball at the last second. Jeter got beat the same way a hockey goalie gets beat on a deflection.
 
There's plenty of criticize Jeter for but this play isn't one of them.
 

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Feel free to post a slow-down if you would like. Or a tracking of the ball trajectory or whatnot.
Looks to me like he didn't play it well and pulled the glove up too early.
 
Even if it did take a small deflection, it certainly wasn't that significant, and the fact that he couldn't even knock it down and keep it in front of him isn't good for him.