This will be Derek Jeter's final season

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terrisus said:
Feel free to post a slow-down if you would like.
Looks to me like he pulled the glove up too early.
 
Even if it did take a small deflection, it certainly wasn't that significant, and the fact that he couldn't even knock it down and keep it in front of him isn't good for him.
I saw it in real life. Saw the replays. I don't need to go running for a gif to inform you what happened two nights ago after you take something off the internet and distort it, just because you hate the player.
I think it demeans SOSH to have this kind of misinformation go out on its message board. We criticize newsmen for "having an agenda" to fit their story and then you go distort a play from two days ago to fit your own agenda.
The footage shows Jeter in the hole, ready to make a play. This happens probably 20 times a year. Third baseman ranges too far, ruins play for the shortstop. Part of the game.
 

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terrisus said:
"Distoring" (x2) and "misinformation?"
Geeze, friendly crowd here.
I get told I'm wrong about five times a week on the Yankee threads. It's part of life on a message board. We learn from each other.
 
My take on that play is troubling, too, only my problem is Kelly Johnson had just 16 games at third base heading into this season. He's learning a new position on the fly. Yes, he has probably been told to cheat a bit to his left on certain plays, but not when a right-handed hitter is at the plate and Jeter is playing in the hole because CC is planning to throw an 84-mph breaking ball, as the video indicated. Shortstops and second basemen can see what pitch is coming but the third baseman is on his own. It's a reaction position and KJ over-reacted.
 
Yankee fans are going to see an ongoing variety of infield miscues this season, mostly of the physical variety, but this one goes into my book as a mental mistake on KJ's part. He just had to look left and see Jeter is cheating. You don't learn this stuff overnight.
 
Amazingly, Jeter seemed positioned to make a strong throw on that play, too. I didn't watch the first five innings last night because "MacBeth" is playing in Pawtucket, but Jeter seems not to have ruined his pitchers' confidence yet.
 
And hey, I'm friendly. But who gives a shit?
 

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I looked at it frame by frame and the trajectory of the ball appeared like it turned at a slight angle to the right (towards 2nd base). Prior to that Jeter’s glove was in direct path of the ball. He tried to move his glove but was late. Tricky play but I don’t think it’s hist fault. 
 

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Hehe, Grandpa Fistpump.
It's ironic, JA. Jeter's probably going to be the last great franchise player I get to watch over his whole career. If Bogaerts plays 20 years in Boston, that makes me 87 years old, so Jeter is my last one. Never really liked him as much as Mantle, Ford, Munson, Mattingly and even Bernie. But 20 years is the longest anyone has ever played in pinstripes so Jeter wins the longevity contest and all that comes with it. Maybe in a few years we'll be able to judge him on the whole of his career. Right now, he looks like Grandpa Fistpump after a long winter of chemo.
 

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terrynever said:
It's ironic, JA. Jeter's probably going to be the last great franchise player I get to watch over his whole career. If Bogaerts plays 20 years in Boston, that makes me 87 years old, so Jeter is my last one. Never really liked him as much as Mantle, Ford, Munson, Mattingly and even Bernie. But 20 years is the longest anyone has ever played in pinstripes so Jeter wins the longevity contest and all that comes with it. Maybe in a few years we'll be able to judge him on the whole of his career. Right now, he looks like Grandpa Fistpump after a long winter of chemo.
87 is the new 77, and 20 years from now, it will probably be the new 67, or 57. Kapish?
 

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terrynever said:
You guys ought to slow that film down so you can see what everyone saw the night it happened. Johnson deflected the ball at the last second. Jeter got beat the same way a hockey goalie gets beat on a deflection.
 
There's plenty of criticize Jeter for but this play isn't one of them.
Oh, I agree that Jeter doesn't deserve criticism for that play.  But what does it say about Johnson's expectations of the guy to his left that he poached that ball?  i guess you're right that this could be as much a guy who normally plays second and never has to worry about poaching suddenly being at a corner where it's an issue. 
 

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Rough Carrigan said:
Oh, I agree that Jeter doesn't deserve criticism for that play.  But what does it say about Johnson's expectations of the guy to his left that he poached that ball?  i guess you're right that this could be as much a guy who normally plays second and never has to worry about poaching suddenly being at a corner where it's an issue.
It's an interesting sequence because there's a lot going on besides KJ ranging in front of Jeter. A couple old infielders could look at that tape and talk for five minutes about things we layman don't know.
 

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Rough Carrigan said:
Oh, I agree that Jeter doesn't deserve criticism for that play.  But what does it say about Johnson's expectations of the guy to his left that he poached that ball?  i guess you're right that this could be as much a guy who normally plays second and never has to worry about poaching suddenly being at a corner where it's an issue. 
 
Yeah, I believe he's only played 16 games in his career at 3B before this week. Whatever the reason, it was ugly.
 

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jon abbey said:
Yeah, I believe he's only played 16 games in his career at 3B before this week. Whatever the reason, it was ugly.
Looks like the were shifting for the hitter too. 2B virtually in line with second base. Johnson playing quite deep and Jeter a fair way into the hole.

Given Johnsons lack of experience at 3B then add that non-standard field placements I'd say it is just a matter of him not having a good read on how far Jeter actually was over on the ball. With regulation shortstop placement(and Jeters "range") that ball is probably a 50-50 play for Jeter so Johnson thought he should have a go at it.
 

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terrynever said:
It's ironic, JA. Jeter's probably going to be the last great franchise player I get to watch over his whole career. If Bogaerts plays 20 years in Boston, that makes me 87 years old, so Jeter is my last one. Never really liked him as much as Mantle, Ford, Munson, Mattingly and even Bernie. But 20 years is the longest anyone has ever played in pinstripes so Jeter wins the longevity contest and all that comes with it. Maybe in a few years we'll be able to judge him on the whole of his career. Right now, he looks like Grandpa Fistpump after a long winter of chemo.
Pedroia? (assuming based on the Bogaerts comment that you mean for any team, not just the Yankees)
 

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Jeter's third inning single gave him 3,319 hits for his career, tying Paul Molitor for eighth all time.
 
Edit: His fourth inning single gives him 3,320 moving him into eighth by himself. If only he could face Drew Hutchison every day.
 

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Watching the game now on YES they're discounting all range stats for Jeter since they don't account for player placement or how hard the ball is hit. It's not possible he has no range.
 

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terrynever said:
It's ironic, JA. Jeter's probably going to be the last great franchise player I get to watch over his whole career. If Bogaerts plays 20 years in Boston, that makes me 87 years old, so Jeter is my last one. Never really liked him as much as Mantle, Ford, Munson, Mattingly and even Bernie. But 20 years is the longest anyone has ever played in pinstripes so Jeter wins the longevity contest and all that comes with it. Maybe in a few years we'll be able to judge him on the whole of his career. Right now, he looks like Grandpa Fistpump after a long winter of chemo.
 
Joe Mauer.
 

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Yeah but he just helped them score a run by grounding into a double play.  It won't show up in the box score as an RBI, but everyone will know who was responsible.
 

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Joe Mauer.
 
Also, for someone else who did recently, while Jeter is retiring 2 years after him, and so still technically fits the bill of being "last" (assuming none come after or are in progress now - which they almost certainly are), Chipper Jones just retired the other year, after spending 19 seasons (20 years - out in 1994) with the Braves.
 

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Evan Longoria comes to mind as a franchise player who will likely finish out his career with his team. He's already signed through 2022 with an option for 2023 (his age 36 and 37 seasons). Figure if he's still healthy that he might sign another 2 or 3 year deal to finish out his career at that point.
 

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What movie starlet did he score with?
 
I was thinking about Jeter today while walking the dog. (See, this is how sick we Jeterians are.) I was wondering why, if Jeter's parents are so perfect (and they are), how come they named him after Derek Sanderson? What were they thinking. It was the summer of 1974. Sanderson was partying like he was Joe Namath. True, he wasn't sleeping under bridges yet. But they named the kid Derek Sanderson Jeter. Why not Derek Milhous Jeter? Or Derek Carlton Jeter? Would you believe Derek Thurman Jeter?
 

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What movie starlet did he score with?
 
I was thinking about Jeter today while walking the dog. (See, this is how sick we Jeterians are.) I was wondering why, if Jeter's parents are so perfect (and they are), how come they named him after Derek Sanderson? What were they thinking. It was the summer of 1974. Sanderson was partying like he was Joe Namath. True, he wasn't sleeping under bridges yet. But they named the kid Derek Sanderson Jeter. Why not Derek Milhous Jeter? Or Derek Carlton Jeter? Would you believe Derek Thurman Jeter?
 
Maybe they were Boston Bruins fans?
 

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Nova would have got out of the first inning with no runs scored, instead of three, had Jeter done what 95 percent of big league shortstops do with that grounder. The next guy hit a sacrifice fly for the first run. Should have been the third out. Doesn't mean Nova wouldn't have given up five or more runs before he was through but the Jeter play sort of deflated the kid.
 

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Even the AP sports writer covering the game noticed:
 
For all the big hits, it was a little grounder that helped things get out of hand at the start.
 
After Nick Markakis led off the game with a single, Young followed with a bouncer up the middle. Many shortstops in the majors could've turned it into a double play, but 39-year-old Derek Jeter couldn't quite get to it and the ball skipped under his glove for a single.
 
"He dove. He did everything he could to make that play," Yankees manager Joe Girardi said.
 

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terrynever said:
"He dove. He did everything he could to make that play," Yankees manager Joe Girardi said.
Which is of course the problem. He did everything he could but still couldn't make a fairly regulation play.
 

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Yankees turned 4 DP for Nova in his first start to bail him out.  These balls today were not hit to the right spot I guess,
 
I think the shifting the Yankees are doing this year will help his defensive stats since I believe DRS or UZR do not count plays in which there was a shift.  Might be wrong on that since they could have enough data now to include shifts, but it was true a couple of years ago
 

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Jeter knew the game would go into extras so he didn't want to acknowledge the crowd after they incorrectly thought it was his last AB of the game.  He's not only the best baseball player in the history of the world but he can also see the future and will a game to go beyond 9 innings.  It's so obvious.
 

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Lowrielicious said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/seager-triples-left-052000430.html
 
Surely this cannot be scored a triple....Seager is clearly stopping at 2nd until he says #2 casually jogging down to the left field corner with the ball.
 
That video is some serious porn for those who love to mock Jeter's defense.
 
The only way it could be better is if he had turned and executed a jump throw when he saw Seagar taking third.
 

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If you have access to mlb.tv, play the archived YES broadcast and click on the 4th inning in the linescore. It has the Kay call, which isn't that great, but it has replay with Phelps shouting at Jeter to throw the ball and CI slowmo reaction facial expressions.
 

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You guys have it all wrong. Jeter was trying to trick him into going home, at which point he would've gunned him down. It's much more dramatic to throw a guy out at home than at third.