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How much game planning do you actually have to do for Robert Williams? I am guessing 0. What is there to plan for? Can't really plan for tip ins and dunks.

That's not to say the C's won't miss him. He's just not a player you plan for.
Maybe a little offensive game planning to get him away from the rim, and how to deal with him being at the rim in general

IOW, they’ll have to game plan for his defense more than his offense
 
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How much game planning do you actually have to do for Robert Williams? I am guessing 0. What is there to plan for? Can't really plan for tip ins and dunks.

That's not to say the C's won't miss him. He's just not a player you plan for.
Sure, but what's it going to hurt to have him put on a uniform and take some nice leisurely shots during warm-ups, as opposed to just sit there in street clothes?
 

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I’m pretty sure you would be looking at a pretty large fine of you pretend a guy is playing and he doesn’t. The league and bettors would not be happy.
Can't they just say "we wanted him to suit up in case we needed him for a key situation or two (e.g., guard the rim against a last second in bounds scoring attempt) and one never arose"? I mean, they don't get fined if guys like Nesmith, Hauser, Kornet, or even Theis don't play.
 

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Can't they just say "we wanted him to suit up in case we needed him for a key situation or two (e.g., guard the rim against a last second in bounds scoring attempt) and one never arose"? I mean, they don't get fined if guys like Nesmith, Hauser, Kornet, or even Theis don't play.
You could try but the 76ers were just fined for disclosing Embid’s playing status to late in The series against the Heat. The league has a huge interest in the lineups being announced clearly before the game. Gambling is a huge moneymaker for the league.
 

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You could try but the 76ers were just fined for disclosing Embid’s playing status to late in The series against the Heat. The league has a huge interest in the lineups being announced clearly before the game. Gambling is a huge moneymaker for the league.
"He's active for the game. We may or may not play him based on the game situation."

Literally no idea how the league could fine for that.
 

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Him dressing for the game tomorrow does absolutely nothing to the Bucks prep. They do that today. And it's not as if they throw that shit away if they see him in uniform tomorrow
 

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"He's active for the game. We may or may not play him based on the game situation."

Literally no idea how the league could fine for that.
I mean they could say that but the league has an interest in the teams being up front and truthful. I will step away but I’m sure it is important to @HRB and other gamblers that teams are on the up and up about injuries.
 

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I mean they could say that but the league has an interest in the teams being up front and truthful. I will step away but I’m sure it is important to @HRB and other gamblers that teams are on the up and up about injuries.
I guess my point is…if he really is 50:50 and want to reserve the right, I’m not sure that this is a violation. I dunno. I similarly will step out as I don’t gamble much and maybe am out of the loop on these things
 

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What incremental advantage are you really going to get by dressing Rob? The game preparation has been mostly done by that point in practice. They've probably even gone over what they're going to do if Williams does / does not play. Even if they haven't done that type of contingency planning, you're causing them to what...spend a little time reminding the team how they want to play him right before the game? Big whoop.

I'm even a believer that every little advantage adds up and could possibly have an impact on the game. But this isn't worth much of a discussion here.
 

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I mean they could say that but the league has an interest in the teams being up front and truthful. I will step away but I’m sure it is important to @HRB and other gamblers that teams are on the up and up about injuries.
I’d say a limited Robert Williams doesn’t affect the handicap of the game but from the Bucks perspective having him dressed does nothing to hurt the Celtics and does place uncertainty in how the Bucks would respond to early foul trouble on Horford/Theis. It’s gamesmanship, which is part of the chess match, and one more piece of information that the Bucks don’t have that could affect how they attack our frontcourt foul trouble.
 

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He’s listed as questionable. Pretty much what I was saying. 50:50. We will see what happens
And as I was alluding to un ky post above. I think having him listed as questionable has a much greater effect than the dressing. They have to contingency plan for him. Once they see the players dressed there’s nothing really much time left to screw with them.
 

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And as I was alluding to un ky post above. I think having him listed as questionable has a much greater effect than the dressing. They have to contingency plan for him. Once they see the players dressed there’s nothing really much time left to screw with them.
I would be shocked if he’s listed as questionable an hour before the game, out on the floor in warmups doing regular game prep……..only to have him change into dress clothes to be listed as “out” regardless of his “real” availability.
 

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I would be shocked if he’s listed as questionable an hour before the game, out on the floor in warmups doing regular game prep……..only to have him change into dress clothes to be listed as “out” regardless of his “real” availability.
unless something actually happened during warm ups. Even then, I doubt he'd bother showering and changing into street clothes so close to tip off.
 

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I would be shocked if he’s listed as questionable an hour before the game, out on the floor in warmups doing regular game prep……..only to have him change into dress clothes to be listed as “out” regardless of his “real” availability.
Sure. I don’t disagree with that.
 

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Let's hope he can contribute something against the Heat. That would be an enormous boost.
 

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That block on Vincent in the first half might be the most ridiculous blocked jumpshot I've ever seen.
 

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It would not be wrong to say that Rob's play in the 4th quarter won them game 3. He's clearly still bothered by the injury, but he might have just turned a corner in figuring out how to make an impact despite the injury.
 

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I am really impressed by Rob’s demeanor on the court despite the injury. He’s just out there grinding with a smile on his face, clearly dragging one leg up the floor, not making any excuses. I’m sure it’s killing him to not be able to perform at his peak on the biggest stage, but he’s giving us all he has.
 

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It would not be wrong to say that Rob's play in the 4th quarter won them game 3. He's clearly still bothered by the injury, but he might have just turned a corner in figuring out how to make an impact despite the injury.
This is reminiscent of McHale playing on his broken foot. Let’s enjoy TL now bc I’m feeling more and more like we aren’t going to see him next season or at least for a large chunk of it. Hate that G4 is the game without two days between as he’s such a key to what we do.
 

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This is reminiscent of McHale playing on his broken foot. Let’s enjoy TL now bc I’m feeling more and more like we aren’t going to see him next season or at least for a large chunk of it. Hate that G4 is the game without two days between as he’s such a key to what we do.
I have to think given how far medicine has advanced since the 1980s, the doctors wouldn't be letting TL play if there was any chance that he was going to aggravate his injury just by playing. No way McHale would have been playing on his foot today.

And as I was typing that, found this article - https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/06/09/sports/no-question-robert-williamss-determination-gutsy-play-has-made-big-difference/ - which says:

He underwent surgery to repair a torn meniscus March 30 and returned on April 23, with the organization knowing the knee needed constant attention and would swell after games.
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Those “questionable” listings before each game are not gamesmanship. They’re legit. Williams has felt a variety of ways after games during the postseason, from extremely sore to somewhat nimble. Doctors have told the Celtics Williams cannot add further damage to the knee, so it’s a matter of pain.
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“At this point of the season it is what it is. We talked about it. But he doesn’t do a whole lot physically in between, so you don’t get a true sense until he really gets a good warmup,” Celtics coach Ime Udoka said. “The day after it feels OK at times. The second day sometimes it’s more sore. So it comes and goes. That’s why we’re being deliberate about listing him and really checking him out in case he feels worse.
“The swelling has been good. Pain has been tolerable. It’s a legit day-to-day situation, and when he ramps up before the game, that’s when we know how he really feels.”
 

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Hate linking to FoxNews site but credit where credit due (and it FoxNews Sports), but this article - https://www.foxnews.com/sports/robert-williams-defensive-effort-celtics?intcmp=tw_fnc. - notes that TL got on the stationary bike a little earlier yesterday and felt better than normal, which is why he requested that his "questionable" status be removed (as reported in the Glob article I posted above).

Hopefully this works for him on Firday too.
 

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This is reminiscent of McHale playing on his broken foot. Let’s enjoy TL now bc I’m feeling more and more like we aren’t going to see him next season or at least for a large chunk of it. Hate that G4 is the game without two days between as he’s such a key to what we do.
Currys ankle at factor as well. I’d say net, the short turnaround is a benefit
 

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I have to think given how far medicine has advanced since the 1980s, the doctors wouldn't be letting TL play if there was any chance that he was going to aggravate his injury just by playing. No way McHale would have been playing on his foot today.

And as I was typing that, found this article - https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/06/09/sports/no-question-robert-williamss-determination-gutsy-play-has-made-big-difference/ - which says:

He underwent surgery to repair a torn meniscus March 30 and returned on April 23, with the organization knowing the knee needed constant attention and would swell after games.
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Those “questionable” listings before each game are not gamesmanship. They’re legit. Williams has felt a variety of ways after games during the postseason, from extremely sore to somewhat nimble. Doctors have told the Celtics Williams cannot add further damage to the knee, so it’s a matter of pain.
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“At this point of the season it is what it is. We talked about it. But he doesn’t do a whole lot physically in between, so you don’t get a true sense until he really gets a good warmup,” Celtics coach Ime Udoka said. “The day after it feels OK at times. The second day sometimes it’s more sore. So it comes and goes. That’s why we’re being deliberate about listing him and really checking him out in case he feels worse.
“The swelling has been good. Pain has been tolerable. It’s a legit day-to-day situation, and when he ramps up before the game, that’s when we know how he really feels.”
rest up this summer and the first few months next season.

If we learned anything this year it's that the first half of the schedule is pretty meaningless
 

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I have no clue what to expect from Rob game to game, I’m sure he and the training staff don’t either. Generally speaking he’s probably more likely to play well with more time off, so game 4 on 1 day will be interesting.

On a non-health related note, it’s awesome to watch someone who is able to stand out athletically even from the ridiculous athleticism of the best athletes in the world. Someone with a 7’6” reach that can run and jump like that is quite a sight.

Crazy he could last to the 27th pick. Picking #28 that year Golden State states selects Jacob Evans….Phew.
 

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I wrote this earlier in the playoffs, but the fact that he's already signed to an extension is just massive when it comes to him playing in these games when he's hurting. If he's about to become a free agent, it seems much less likely that he'd be potentially risking his future health, no matter how big the games are and no matter what the Celtics' training staff says.

IT will be likely be bitter about this for the rest of his life. Can't be helped.
 

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I wrote this earlier in the playoffs, but the fact that he's already signed to an extension is just massive when it comes to him playing in these games when he's hurting. If he's about to become a free agent, it seems much less likely that he'd be potentially risking his future health, no matter how big the games are and no matter what the Celtics' training staff says.

IT will be likely be bitter about this for the rest of his life. Can't be helped.
Exactly. I don't blame IT for being a sourpuss about where his career ended up, but this optics and narrative nonsense doesn't apply when Rob signed a huge extension. Additionally, does anyone really think that teams in 2022 can bully players into playing against medical advice in the NBA of all places. What horseshit.
 

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Get some rest Bobby. Our team's future at least partly rests with you.

Damn, was he impressive on a bum knee, both in athletic ability and heart.