To Taylor be swift
- Thread starter cshea
- Start date
He'd be perfect here. To bad everyone has a NMC and nobody is going to waive it to go to Edmonton. They'd have to get a 3rd team involved.
Eriksson doesn't have a NMC.
They have enough futures to add to him and Spooner to make that happen. It would be ballsy as all hell.
They have enough futures to add to him and Spooner to make that happen. It would be ballsy as all hell.
Hall would be a coupe. They do have enough to get it done. He's exactly what they need.PedroSpecialK said:
Why would the Oilers deal him though? I would think he is the guy they want to keep.
Loui may or may not have an NTC. He had to waive to come to Boston but CapGeek doesn't seem to know if he got it back.
My armchair proposal was 1 of Lucic/Marchand/Eriksson to make the money work, then Subban and prospect fillers. Edmonton probably demands Hamilton, which would be the only no-go for me. Push comes to shove I may include Krug though.
My armchair proposal was 1 of Lucic/Marchand/Eriksson to make the money work, then Subban and prospect fillers. Edmonton probably demands Hamilton, which would be the only no-go for me. Push comes to shove I may include Krug though.
Here is the story blasting Hall.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/taylor-hall-is-un-coachable--will-be-on-trade-block--report-000824459.html?soc_src=copy
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/taylor-hall-is-un-coachable--will-be-on-trade-block--report-000824459.html?soc_src=copy
Lucchino would be proud of that hatchet job. Hall's not even out the door yet.
Edit: Referring to the Dreger quotes, not the Puck Daddy piece. Sure sounds like Eakins' sour grapes.
Edit: Referring to the Dreger quotes, not the Puck Daddy piece. Sure sounds like Eakins' sour grapes.
Sounds like sour grapes from a coach that knows he's never getting another NHL head coaching job.
Toe Nash said:
Eriksson is a makeweight cap-wise with the opportunity to flip him for more assets come the deadline - or the summer - or next deadline. He is of minimal value in this environment, and of near-zero value from Edmonton's perspective.
Eriksson
Spooner
Subban
Bartkowski
2016 & 2017 1st round picks
Do you make that trade? I think on that for a while, but ultimately I pull the trigger. If the 2015 1st round pick comes into play, considering this class's depth I insist on the other pick being a 2nd rounder with complementary picks added. Would also consider putting Arnesson or Khokhlachev into the trade to devalue one of those 1st rounders.
edit: probably best to break this into a trade proposal thread
This really doesn't sound like someone who would fit in Boston, hatchet job or not. Don't forget, Ference blew up pubically about the locker room, suggesting certain guys don't know how to or care to win.
“I think it speaks from a willingness to adapt. I’m choosing my words carefully in saying that. I’m not in the room, so we gather information from the sources that we have, and my sense is that Taylor Hall has a pretty specific vision on how he sees he needs to play and maybe how he thinks the team should play, and he really isn’t open to change, and that’s a problem."
“I think it speaks from a willingness to adapt. I’m choosing my words carefully in saying that. I’m not in the room, so we gather information from the sources that we have, and my sense is that Taylor Hall has a pretty specific vision on how he sees he needs to play and maybe how he thinks the team should play, and he really isn’t open to change, and that’s a problem."
Salem's Lot said:
Why would he never get another head job? He's 47 and was a pretty successful and well respected AHL coach. He was put in a tough situation and it sounded like he came on too strong in his first job (see Belichick, Bill.) I'm not saying he's going to be a great coach, but I have no doubt he catches on with another organization, and is running a bench within 5 years, likely sooner.
That's a great point on Ference. He left here on a good note and still obviously has positive feelings towards the city and, presumably, the organization. I imagine the B's still have his ear to some degree and that he could very significantly sway Chia one way or another.Dummy Hoy said:
I was listening to Toucher and Rich this morning and they had Billy Jaffe on. He was talking about Hall being a potential target for the B's but then said something along the lines of "he has documented issues off the ice". Is he referring to the un-coachable tag like in the Puck Daddy story, or is there more than that? I'm curious if it is anything non-hockey related. Wasn't that part of the issue with Seguin when he was here? Partying too much and missing meetings?
That's what he was referring to.
edit: and the partying was an issue with Seguin. Not sure if it's an issue with Hall or if Hall's issues are entirely related to being unwilling to change his playing style.
If Hall is available, I'd probably jump at getting him barring trading Dougie, Bergeron, Rask, Chara or Krejci. Everyone else is available (and I think a bunch of those guys wouldn't be on EDM's radar anyways). I think the Bs will have to learn to manage the douchiness (if it's real) because they won't have really any opportunities to add a high end scorer in the near future given their general draft position and cap situation.
edit: and the partying was an issue with Seguin. Not sure if it's an issue with Hall or if Hall's issues are entirely related to being unwilling to change his playing style.
If Hall is available, I'd probably jump at getting him barring trading Dougie, Bergeron, Rask, Chara or Krejci. Everyone else is available (and I think a bunch of those guys wouldn't be on EDM's radar anyways). I think the Bs will have to learn to manage the douchiness (if it's real) because they won't have really any opportunities to add a high end scorer in the near future given their general draft position and cap situation.
I think if the Oil seriously shop Hall they should be able to do better than what amounts to a quantity package. But then again I always hate those "quarter for 2 dimes and a nickel" trades so I could be wrong. From Boston I assume they ask for Hamilton, which Chia wouldn't and probably shouldn't do. Failing that, maybe Loui/Krug/Subban works, and is probably fair. Have to figure they'd prefer young but close prospects over picks, or at least they should considering how they've drafted other than when they're making slam-dunk top-3 picks.
All that said...weren't they interested in Coburn?
All that said...weren't they interested in Coburn?
The irony of trading away "uncoachable" Seguin only to turn around and trade for "uncoachable" Hall is pretty striking.
Not saying I wouldn't do it if the price was right, but it would be interesting to say the least.
Not saying I wouldn't do it if the price was right, but it would be interesting to say the least.
Toucher was all over that angle this morning, saying that they can't do that trade because it would be admitting they made a mistake.
Who gives a shit. You made a mistake, you admit the mistake, you rectify it and move on.
Who gives a shit. You made a mistake, you admit the mistake, you rectify it and move on.
TheStoryofYourRedRightAnkle said:
They could also spin it that they ended up with the guy they wanted in the draft to begin with.
Hall's been in Edmonton for 4+ seasons now. He's had 3 head coaches, Tom Renney, Ralph Krueger and Dallas Eakins. MacTavish/Nelson will be #4 with the chance of #5 coming in next year. Maybe Hall is growing frustrated with the perpetually losing, having no coaching stability and having a new buffoon coach telling him what to do every 18 months? None of those guys will ever be confused for Scottie Bowman. Hell, Kruger is completely out of hockey and working for a soccer team now.
NYCSox said:
It seemed to wake up/work for Seguin pretty well, yea?
Let the Bruins fix another teams mistake for once instead of the other way around.
Dummy Hoy said:
No, it's a vague Dreger quote that Wyshynski's reading too much into. I'd take it with a grain of salt, Dreger is obviously well connected, but he's been a media mouthpiece for management in the past. Hall may not be a great character guy, but that organization has much bigger problems. He's just an easy guy to put the blame on. I think it's much more likely management is throwing Hall under the bus and not Eakins.
Either way, not interested in Hall at the price he'd likely cost.
I disagree. To make the salary work, they have to include Lucic, Marchand or Eriksson. Is Hall better than all 3 of those guys? Absolutely. But they would still need to fix the right side and probably find a top 4 defensemen, and that's not counting any other roster players that may be headed Edmonton's way.Reardons Beard said:
Any trade for Hall is a re-working of the core for the future.
A top line of Hall/Krejci/Fraser(Gagne, Griffith, whatever) is a lot more dangerous than Lucic/Krejci/Jetsam/Floatsam.
If Lucic can put up almost 30 goals with Krejci setting him up, I can only imagine what Hall - who was projected as a better pure goal scorer than Seguin - could put up.
If Lucic can put up almost 30 goals with Krejci setting him up, I can only imagine what Hall - who was projected as a better pure goal scorer than Seguin - could put up.
cshea said:
If they did it with only Eriksson going, and no one else on the starting roster, I'd have a pants tent for weeks on end. I seriously doubt that will happen, no matter if they include, Koko, Spooner, Subban and 8 first rounders. I just don't see it.
I suspect Lucic will be the guy the have to decide on. Really tough call there, but I admit I'm blinded by my unabashed love for all things Milan.
I see, my mistake. That makes more sense anyways- very few coaches lob bombs like that; quick way to lose trust from players present and future.veritas said:
Management or not, Hall doesn't get thrown under the bus if he's a team first guy, and the specific nature of the allegations- 'plays the way he wants', is never going to fly in Boston. You play Clode's way or you're gone, regardless of talent. That combined with the Ference comments leave me skeptical of grabbing Hall. And the price tag.
I never said it wasn't. Hall is a much better player than Lucic/Marchand/Eriksson, so obviously they'd score more and be more dangerous. I just disagreed with RB that Hall is the missing piece that puts them over the top. They would still need a lot more work.TheShynessClinic said:
Let's look at what the Bruins could offer. Basically it has to be Hamilton.
Eriksson has negative value to a rebuilding club. Lucic and Marchand may have some value but they're both FAs soon, so IF Edmonton wanted them, they'd have to be sure they liked Edmonton and would want to re-sign which is far from a sure thing.
Picks, maybe, but the Bruins aren't likely to have anything in the top ten, so that limits the value.
They have some prospects but no one is that great. Subban is a nice goalie prospect, but goalies are really unpredictable. Then it's Koko, Spooner, Pastrnak, Morrow? No one that exciting but I guess a couple may turn to average players.
Bergeron, Rask, Krejci might draw interest but the B's aren't doing that.
Krug and Smith are nice players on ELCs / RFA deals but when paid market rate in the next few years are they going to be really valuable? Edmonton would just wait until they were ready to compete to sign those kinds of complementary pieces as UFAs. Ditto Soderberg.
Chara is too old and everyone else isn't too special.
Hamilton is the only star-level player who is still young enough to build around. I don't think the Bruins deal him given they need D just as much as they need forwards.
Nothing to see here.
Edit: OK, something insane could happen I guess like the Seguin deal. But it would be insane. Applying anything approaching logic to this, nothing should happen.
Eriksson has negative value to a rebuilding club. Lucic and Marchand may have some value but they're both FAs soon, so IF Edmonton wanted them, they'd have to be sure they liked Edmonton and would want to re-sign which is far from a sure thing.
Picks, maybe, but the Bruins aren't likely to have anything in the top ten, so that limits the value.
They have some prospects but no one is that great. Subban is a nice goalie prospect, but goalies are really unpredictable. Then it's Koko, Spooner, Pastrnak, Morrow? No one that exciting but I guess a couple may turn to average players.
Bergeron, Rask, Krejci might draw interest but the B's aren't doing that.
Krug and Smith are nice players on ELCs / RFA deals but when paid market rate in the next few years are they going to be really valuable? Edmonton would just wait until they were ready to compete to sign those kinds of complementary pieces as UFAs. Ditto Soderberg.
Chara is too old and everyone else isn't too special.
Hamilton is the only star-level player who is still young enough to build around. I don't think the Bruins deal him given they need D just as much as they need forwards.
Nothing to see here.
Edit: OK, something insane could happen I guess like the Seguin deal. But it would be insane. Applying anything approaching logic to this, nothing should happen.
Hamilton is a no-go, but something like Lucic plus a combo of Marchand/Subban/picks/prospects might get it done.RedOctober3829 said:
I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.
EDIT: I think Edmonton really wants Lucic, so asking for the moon (Lucic/Hamilton) is setting the bar high so eventually they can settle for Lucic +whatever instead.
Krug and Smith are a few years away from UFA status. Neither is currently putting up enough numbers to garner a huge 2nd RFA deal. I think they both would have appeal to a team like Edmonton.
Dealing Hamilton is a nonstarter. Beyond Dougie, there's not much hope in-house for a top 2 NHL D.
I think Eriksson does have positive trade value to anyone. He's underachieved but is still on a 40+ point pace, he plays in all situations (PP and PK), is a good defensive forward, and only has 1 year after this one remaining on his deal. He either helps balance a lineup or is future trade bait.
I don't see any B with any form of NTC/NMC waiving it to go to EDM. I don't know the details, but Lucic and Marchand both have some form of NTC and thus may be off the table. So, I'm guessing the deal would revolve around some combo of Eriksson (if his NTC evaporated with the trade to BOS), Krug, Smith, and/or Subban with whatever draft picks coming to/from both sides.
Dealing Hamilton is a nonstarter. Beyond Dougie, there's not much hope in-house for a top 2 NHL D.
I think Eriksson does have positive trade value to anyone. He's underachieved but is still on a 40+ point pace, he plays in all situations (PP and PK), is a good defensive forward, and only has 1 year after this one remaining on his deal. He either helps balance a lineup or is future trade bait.
I don't see any B with any form of NTC/NMC waiving it to go to EDM. I don't know the details, but Lucic and Marchand both have some form of NTC and thus may be off the table. So, I'm guessing the deal would revolve around some combo of Eriksson (if his NTC evaporated with the trade to BOS), Krug, Smith, and/or Subban with whatever draft picks coming to/from both sides.