I remember after the Eagles SB victory way back in 2005 he was asked the standard "how do you feel" question and he said "relief."
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Not surprising at all that he feels that way, I think you have to be wired that way to be a relentless competitor like he is. I'm some schlub who watched the Pats from my couch on Monday night and I've spent the better part of this week avoiding work and reading about the Pats because that win brought me so much joy.
It makes you wonder what are the things in life that bring him joy if winning football games doesn't. At least on the surface he seems to be a guy who likes spending time with his family, but honestly who the fuck knows. On some level it is fucked up that the guy who is the winningest winner who ever won in the NFL gets no joy from winning football games.
It makes you wonder what are the things in life that bring him joy if winning football games doesn't. At least on the surface he seems to be a guy who likes spending time with his family, but honestly who the fuck knows. On some level it is fucked up that the guy who is the winningest winner who ever won in the NFL gets no joy from winning football games.
As I fan I understand that sense of relief too. Especially back in 2004. I distinctly remember have a feeling of, phew, we did it when they beat Philly for that title. Now, fast forward 10 years to the Seattle, Atlanta, and Rams wins, and I didn't feel that way at all - there was a combination of feelings of joy, disbelief, etc. - but it wasn't relief.
I'd bet a couple of other ultra competitive guys, Bill Russell and Michael Jordan felt the same way a few championships in. Also, the Yankees, who beat the Dodgers in the World Series every single time they faced them until they didn't in 1955.
I mostly agree with you, with one exception. After the SB "drought" and a couple losses that shall not be mentioned, I felt great relief after the Seahawks SB win.
I hear you. I guess there was some relief in there that we finally got #4. But joy and disbelief still trumped the relief for me.
That Butler interception, in my opinion, exorcised the ghosts from the previous SB losses.
And then Atlanta completely just opened up a new front of joy. I will never forget that night, ever. It was the 2nd best sporting experience of my life.(better than Seattle, IMHO) 2004 MLB playoffs will never be topped, of course. That was a different thing altogether.
The feeling right before the Butler INT was similar for me as the Scottish game. I can’t imagine how Brady must have felt although we surely saw his expression. Butler’s INT really did open up a whole new world and the Falcons game was the first real reward.
I remember falling on the floor in joy and confusion after the INT. I couldn't believe it. I still can't believe it. The Pats were dead and it was going to be another SB loss with a crazy fucking miracle catch in the 4th quarter. The feeling of devastation after that stupid fucking catch is really hard to even believe.
I imagine I am not alone in that reaction. Thank you Russ. Thank you Malcolm. I'm sorry you get benched in 2018.
Yup.
In some ways the Scottish game just made the wins against the Seahawks and Falcons that much better.
The Seahawks win is my favorite of the latter Superbowls (basically tied with the first Rams win) simply because you couldn't have written the script any better in terms of the incredible 4th quarter performances by the offense against one of the best defenses of the last 20 years, the echoes of the Scottish game on the last drive, and then the most unlikely of heroes at the end. If you told me before the game that it would end that way, I would say you should stop writing masterbatory Patriots fanfic.
I had a very similar reaction. I was slumped deep into the couch, still in shock from the Kearse catch. Had that feeling of "I can't believe it fucking happened again". And then Malcolm made the pick, and I fell off the couch with a thud on the floor that woke up my wife.
On the flipside, that Brady comment is exactly why right now I'm having more fun watching the Pats than pretty much any point since maybe the Wickersham article. Not that I'm ungrateful for the Rams super bowl or even the previous year appearance, but the 'this is going to be over any minute now so we really need to get rings while we can' attitude wasn't a fun way to look at the game. Loving watching a team build something and the feeling of playing with house money - short of missing the playoffs there's not really a way this team could disappoint me this year at this point.
This is where I am as well. I wanted that fourth one for BB/TB so badly, and it just seemed like it was destined to never happen, and then Butler made the play and it happened. I don't have a lot of sports memorabilia but I am staring right now at a framed, autographed pic of Butler with the ball in his hands with Lockette almost horizontal after the collision.
Everything that happened since then (Falcons, Rams, etc.) has been gravy. It's why the Eagles SB feels almost like it never happened. Of course I wanted them to win that game and I was disappointed in the way it played out, but we were so playing with house money at that point that I couldn't be upset about it for very long. And then of course they went and won another one.
For me it was like I had a dislocated shoulder from the Kearse catch...tremendous pain and despair that nothing will ever be good again. Then Malcolm comes in and pops that sucker back in place. Pain gone instantly and great relief that all was well again.
Felt the same way the last few years of the Brady era as well, and completely agree this is fun to watch.
I relate to wanting the 4th one for TB/BB as well. Usually my sports watching experience has been wanting a title for myself, or my dad (hello 2004 Sox). I wanted that 4th title for TB and BB, so they could be properly recognized. It's not a feeling I ever had before or since, on that level.
Ditto. While I could appreciate Brady for how effective he still was, the last few years of his run with the Patriots was not fun for me overall. Every regular season game just felt like the collective we 100% expected a win...watching with that lens all the time for what amounted to about a decade or so (for me it really started with the 2010 season - 14-2 with a loss to jets in playoffs), really just mounted up for me and the regular season became a total slog. The minute he signed with Tampa I was torn between knowing it was the end, but also immediately felt rejuvenated a bit because we we were going to experience something new again.
Second. I’m grateful for all the moments with TB12, wouldn’t trade it for anything; but removing the pressure of perfection/historical greatness has made this season incredibly enjoyable, has been a nice change of pace and brought a new kind of sports joy.
That's funny. I never felt that way. Up until the end, it was fun. Win or lose, literally every single game Tom Brady played mattered.(which is kind of crazy in and of itself, he's never been eliminated from the playoffs before the final week of the season. . . .ever. Lol)
I'm not Tom Brady. I watch sports for fun. Wins are great, but I don't view them as a relief. It's just fun. The game on Monday night with no Tom Brady, where they just kept running and running? Also fun and thrilling and incredible.
People who root for the Pats are lucky. It's not like this for any other team.
In almost any sport, not in recent history at least. The Spurs are the one exception - they drafted Duncan in 1997 and proceeded to make the playoffs for 20 straight years. 4 first round losses, 6 second round losses, 4 WC finals losses, 1 NBA finals loss, 5 titles. That's pretty close to what the Pats did over roughly the same stretch (although still not quite as good).
That's a good comp. And the only other franchise that has a two decade track record of consistent success and occasional brilliance.
But it is obviously easier to do in the NBA with only 5 players on the court. I mean, Lebron dragged the Cavs to 4 straight finals from 2015 to 2018. And even won one.
So I recognize a lot of this is much of a "me" thing. My brother (to the max extent) and my dad (to a lesser extent) are both kind of typical Felger/Mazz type sports fans. So I'd be watching these games with the perspective of not wanting to deal with their BS hot takes after a loss. And quite frankly, even after so many wins it was "they weren't perfect so that win sucked..." Because they expected perfection. That wore on me as much as anything else.
Did they enjoy 7-9 last year and watching Cam hold the ball too long, take bad sacks, and throw the ball at the receivers' feet for four quarters?
There are definitely a ton of spoiled Pats fans out there. The team was basically penciled in for 12 wins, a division title and a bye for 19 straight years more or less. It's never going to get any better than that.
I felt the same way then, and I feel some version of this now for Belichick. I saw way too many moronic pundits after Tampa's SB win last year acting as if it definitively answered the "was it Brady or Belichick" question. I don't even think Belichick needs to win one without Brady, but getting to a SB, especially this year, should silence a lot of that, and I want that for him now the same way I wanted the fourth title.
Just the fact that it looks this possible that the team will have another extended run of success in them, after just one off year, is mind-boggling.
Agreed. The Pats' dynasty story isn't done yet either, while the Spurs' most assuredly is (Pop is 72 and they are working on their 3rd straight losing season, with no superstars on the horizon).
I agree. It made me crazy last year as if that one season by TB ended that question - which, by the way, is a question that I think is stupid anyway...it was BOTH of them, not an either/or thing.
Same. After 2006, 07, 10, and 11 it really seemed like they’d never win again and we’d have some bullshit asterisk attached to their accomplishments. And other fans were so delighted by that fact. Winning #4 was the cap on all that, it felt at the time. But I mean nobody expected them to win another,never mind two more.
Did anyone enjoy that? Even myself, looking forward to the change, did not! Ha.
With regards to the bolded, I think this played into my mentality a bit - if on week one you are assuming 12 wins year in, year out...for me that made watching the regular season* not as exciting as I'm finding things this year. To use the cliched journey/destination thing, I'm finding this years journey more fun/exciting/refreshing than any in the past decade - while knowing full well the destination is not likely to be what it so often was during the Brady years.
So ultimately, will it ever get better than it did? No, it will not. But I do think the (regular season, at least) can become just as exciting.
*that doesn't mean I didn't base almost every weekend around what time the pats were playing. I did.
With a 17th game, I'm thinking they're going to be penciled in for 12.75 wins in the future . . .
Signed,
entitled/spoiled Pats fan who's also gaga over drafting SEC/Bama players
I enjoyed watching pats games somewhat in the way I can enjoy watching half-pipe snowboarding, or a ballet. Yes, the wins overall were ‘expected’, except when they weren’t. Every year was a ‘cliff!’ year towards the end, so just watching the quality of the play was enjoyable to me, almost more so than the wins (but yeah I wanted those too).
I just loved watching Brady and BB do their things. Like I still live watching Brady, and still love watching BB, even when none of us really expected a season like we’ve had. I was excited to see what he could do with Cam too (turns out, not much).
But I get it…a non-playoff season would have been such a letdown to my entitled mind.
Edit: During the late Brady years, I mean. Amd yknow, if Brady plays next year and falls off that inevitable cliff, I will be sad and disappointed.
I just loved watching Brady and BB do their things. Like I still live watching Brady, and still love watching BB, even when none of us really expected a season like we’ve had. I was excited to see what he could do with Cam too (turns out, not much).
But I get it…a non-playoff season would have been such a letdown to my entitled mind.
Edit: During the late Brady years, I mean. Amd yknow, if Brady plays next year and falls off that inevitable cliff, I will be sad and disappointed.
Yes
Like many others, I'm finding this year fun in a different way. For over a decade, every single play of every single game had Super-Bowl implications. We were good enough to win it all at least 8 out of 10 years without injuries. It was an exhausting run. Not that I'm complaining.
Today I learned (on Facebook so it must be true) that the last draft pick of the Montreal expos still playing professional sports is… Tom Brady.
Looks like that became true when Ian Desmond stopped playing a couple of years ago (or, depending how you look at it, when Desmond became a FA on Nov 4th of this year).
Add 700 TDs and the record for most career completions to his list of accomplishments.
Also, too, his second career OT TD (last one was 2003).
Also, too, his second career OT TD (last one was 2003).
So honestly...doesn't he look (physically) and play like a guy 15 years younger? He looks like he's in his early to mid 30s, and he doesn't look old when he plays at all. Like, if you were in a coma in 1990 and woke up to find this guy playing in the NFL right now, knowing nothing about him, you'd never ever ever guess he's in his mid 40s.
It's amazing.
It's amazing.
After the game, Brady said Evans was the first read on the game ending play. I had assumed it was designed to get to Perriman, since it isolated him on a linebacker, and the rest of the routes running to the left opened up the entire field for his cross. Anyway, either good play design by Leftwich or just a happy coincidence.
I was looking at his face at one point yesterday and I thought 34, no, more like 27! Does he have a portrait of Tom Brady in the attic that's aging instead of him?
I guess the Blinded by the Lombardi's standards have seemingly become austere because having any fun is just wrong, so you're probably get a warning for this brilliant post and I'll probably get one for saying, "Thank you and this is incredible."
But it is incredible, so thank you.
I'd love to know what his "supplement" regimen is because I'm about to turn 39 and I've been in great shape my whole life, but every little thing is starting to hurt.
Might need to get on that avacado ice cream I guess.
Might need to get on that avacado ice cream I guess.
I’m of the general mindset that PED use is more common than reported. And there is something Brady is doing that distinguishes him from his cohort. But that could come down to not drinking, not overeating, etc. Age is undefeated, but Brett Favre was going pretty strong into his 40s and that guy was partaking and then some.
Tom Brady, five seasons in his 40s, vs other HOF quarterbacks' five year peaks (keep in mind that Brady has four games left of this season, plus playoffs, as well as awards, which he'll certainly be a pro bowler at minimum, possibly all-pro and/or MVP):
Brady (2017-2021, ages 40-44): 1,912 comp, 2,928 att, 65.3%, 21,756 yds, 7.4 y/a, 161 td, 49 int, 98.8 rating, 2 pro bowls, 1 all-pro, 1 MVP, 2 SB titles, 3 SB app
PManning (2003-2007, ages 27-31): 1,719 comp, 2,588 att, 66.4%, 21,008 yds, 8.1 y/a, 168 td, 53 int, 104.4 rating, 5 pro bowls, 3 all-pro, 2 MVP, 1 SB title, 1 SB app
Montana (1986-1990, ages 30-34): 1,287 comp, 2,008 att, 64.1%, 15,736 yds, 7.8 y/a, 109 td, 56 int, 94.6 rating, 3 pro bowls, 3 all-pro, 2 MVP, 2 SB titles, 2 SB appearances
Rodgers (2010-2014, ages 27-31): 1,560 comp, 2,339 att, 66.7%, 19,777 yds, 8.5 y/a, 167 td, 36 int, 110.3 rating, 3 pro bowls, 2 all-pro, 2 MVP, 1 SB title, 1 SB appearance
Brees (2009-2013, ages 30-34): 2,147 comp, 3,149 att, 68.2%, 24,823 yds, 8.0 y/a, 195 td, 78 int, 102.1 rating, 5 pro bowls, 0 all-pro, 0 MVP, 1 SB title, 1 SB appearance
Marino (1984-1988, ages 23-27): 1,693 comp, 2,804 att, 60.4%, 21,646 yds, 7.7 y/a, 176 td, 97 int, 91.1 rating, 4 pro bowls, 3 all-pro, 1 MVP, 0 SB titles, 1 SB appearance
I mean, what Brady is doing on the field is basically what these other all-time greats have done *IN THEIR PRIMES*, 10-15 years younger than Brady is now.
It's absolutely insane.
Brady (2017-2021, ages 40-44): 1,912 comp, 2,928 att, 65.3%, 21,756 yds, 7.4 y/a, 161 td, 49 int, 98.8 rating, 2 pro bowls, 1 all-pro, 1 MVP, 2 SB titles, 3 SB app
PManning (2003-2007, ages 27-31): 1,719 comp, 2,588 att, 66.4%, 21,008 yds, 8.1 y/a, 168 td, 53 int, 104.4 rating, 5 pro bowls, 3 all-pro, 2 MVP, 1 SB title, 1 SB app
Montana (1986-1990, ages 30-34): 1,287 comp, 2,008 att, 64.1%, 15,736 yds, 7.8 y/a, 109 td, 56 int, 94.6 rating, 3 pro bowls, 3 all-pro, 2 MVP, 2 SB titles, 2 SB appearances
Rodgers (2010-2014, ages 27-31): 1,560 comp, 2,339 att, 66.7%, 19,777 yds, 8.5 y/a, 167 td, 36 int, 110.3 rating, 3 pro bowls, 2 all-pro, 2 MVP, 1 SB title, 1 SB appearance
Brees (2009-2013, ages 30-34): 2,147 comp, 3,149 att, 68.2%, 24,823 yds, 8.0 y/a, 195 td, 78 int, 102.1 rating, 5 pro bowls, 0 all-pro, 0 MVP, 1 SB title, 1 SB appearance
Marino (1984-1988, ages 23-27): 1,693 comp, 2,804 att, 60.4%, 21,646 yds, 7.7 y/a, 176 td, 97 int, 91.1 rating, 4 pro bowls, 3 all-pro, 1 MVP, 0 SB titles, 1 SB appearance
I mean, what Brady is doing on the field is basically what these other all-time greats have done *IN THEIR PRIMES*, 10-15 years younger than Brady is now.
It's absolutely insane.
Chris Simms, still banging this drum
View: https://twitter.com/csimmsqb/status/1470437743020986377?s=21
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They’re not even putting in any effort in any of these anymore. Brady has so thoroughly broken them.
It's basically just him and Rob Parker, right? Everyone else has been beaten into submission.
Not only is Brady still the betting favorite to win the MVP, he's now favored against the field. Rodgers is next (about +600), then Murray (about +900). Nobody else is better than 10 to 1:
https://www.rotowire.com/betting/nfl/mvp-odds.php?book=pointsbet