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Writing to say - absolute vintage Brady on that last drive. If anyone didn’t see it, try and find it.
had the ball on his own 7, 2 mins to play, need a touchdown and without his usual weapons or any timeouts. I don‘t think he spiked the ball once. Completely in control as the clock was ticking, and caps it with the game winning throw. I miss watching that...
My son was flipping back and forth between Red Zone and the Pats game, turned to me and this was the most predictable thing to happen today.
 

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Interesting that Tampa rallied for 18 unanswered points and the victory after that point. Feel free to let the door hit your ass on the way out, AB.

On topic, Brady wins again when hoisting the ball 50 times in a game. His record all time in such games is now 22-10, including playoffs.
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Toms love for AB was always so strange and disappointing to me (right up the with the concussion water TB12 BS)

Brown has been a really bad person for a number of years. nobody will give Arians or TB shit for it, but it was a real mistake keeping him around after the Covid BS
 

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I think AB's exit today tops Irving Fryar departing Foxborough mid-game and crashing his car.
 

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There are like 2,000 plus players in the league, of which dozens have mental conditions, but we should direct our compassion to this guy?

Arians and Licht are dumb for letting this play out after the vax card shitshow. Pivoting from ‘changed man’ to ‘hes gone’ in like a week is a tough look.

Brady can’t really say anything else than he did, and GM TB12 joked aside he’s a player so you can’t hold him responsible for this nonsense.
 

Mystic Merlin

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Well we know it ain’t altruism…that shit’s a myth.

Maybe we could direct our compassion to all of them? That seems possible.
You’re a better person than I, I guess, because I have limited energy and of the people with problems who are their own worst enemies he isn’t one I feel bad for.

He acts like a fucking asshole.
 

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You’re a better person than I, I guess, because I have limited energy and of the people with problems who are their own worst enemies he isn’t one I feel bad for.

He acts like a fucking asshole.
If you don’t have the energy, then you’d just be ambivalent. If you have the energy to think badly of him, then you have the energy to have compassion. Probably take less energy to have compassion, honestly…who needs the extra cortisol from being angry about a football player (who clearly has emotional issues)?

I’m not a better person…. I dislike most people. It’s exhausting.
 

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All the “changed person” BS
Antonio Brown's actions should be owned by Antonio Brown and nobody else. Neither Tom Brady nor Bruce Ariens had any culpability. Sometimes it's really that simple. Brown may very well be mentally ill, but that is not something that Brady should be responsible for either.
 

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What wrong things?
Bringing in AB after he was:

1) suspended for 8 games for felony assault and battery (plead down)
2) credible sexual assault accusations by multiple women (you know the thing that caused his release from the pats)
3) all the "stuff" with the Raiders
4) the helmet thing
5) the Juju thing

Plus a bonus of excusing his fake covid card felony and covering for his ass over the last few years simply because TB wanted him and he is talented.
 

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If you don’t have the energy, then you’d just be ambivalent. If you have the energy to think badly of him, then you have the energy to have compassion. Probably take less energy to have compassion, honestly…who needs the extra cortisol from being angry about a football player (who clearly has emotional issues)?

I’m not a better person…. I dislike most people. It’s exhausting.
Fair point; it’s my reaction to him after observing his behavior over the years, so I suppose I would say that my inclination isn’t to feel bad for him net net and I’m not interested in attempting to force myself to feel differently.
 

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Antonio Brown's actions should be owned by Antonio Brown and nobody else. Neither Tom Brady nor Bruce Ariens had any culpability. Sometimes it's really that simple. Brown may very well be mentally ill, but that is not something that Brady should be responsible for either.
But Arians and Brady enabled him.
 

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Today is the first time I really felt worried for the guy. It just seems pretty clear something is very off with him in terms of impulse control, etc. He's been credibly accused of some pretty bad things, and if true, he should be held accountable. But, I also think, if he does have legit mental heath issues, possibly even from CTE, I hope there's some help he can get.
 

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I’ve always wondered if the Burfict hit in 2016 increased his outbursts.
It just seems after that he took a turn, what I can’t figure out is if the Steelers were just really good at keeping that in-house until that event…

Here’s an article with the timeline after that event, cant seem to find clear issues prior to 2016 except for these below:

2012 - ran backward on a TD run the final 20 yards picked up a fine.
2014 - tried to hurdle punter unsuccessfully and kicked him in face - fined.
2016 - hung on goal post after TD against the colts - fined.

That’s all I can locate on the field for drama, is this a growing likelihood of a CTE issue or other mental health issues clearly coming through in possible addition to a CTE issue?
 

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One was an employer; the other a colleague. No need to deflect and apportion blame.
Employers are responsible for their employees and Brady has now convinced multiple franchises to take a chance on a clearly volatile AB. None of this exonerates the principally responsible AB, but there’s plenty of blame to go around in my opinion.
 

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Absolutely nothing to substantiate this but I wonder if Brady looks back at Hernandez and thinks he saw the situation was bad news and didn't do anything about it. He obviously wants to play with Brown for his own benefit but he also seems to have tried hard to help him just for the sake of helping him.
 

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Absolutely nothing to substantiate this but I wonder if Brady looks back at Hernandez and thinks he saw the situation was bad news and didn't do anything about it. He obviously wants to play with Brown for his own benefit but he also seems to have tried hard to help him just for the sake of helping him.
Interesting take. Does make sense that it could be a reason.
 

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I’ve always wondered if the Burfict hit in 2016 increased his outbursts.
It just seems after that he took a turn, what I can’t figure out is if the Steelers were just really good at keeping that in-house until that event…

Here’s an article with the timeline after that event, cant seem to find clear issues prior to 2016 except for these below:

2012 - ran backward on a TD run the final 20 yards picked up a fine.
2014 - tried to hurdle punter unsuccessfully and kicked him in face - fined.
2016 - hung on goal post after TD against the colts - fined.

That’s all I can locate on the field for drama, is this a growing likelihood of a CTE issue or other mental health issues clearly coming through in possible addition to a CTE issue?
that’s basically what I’ve always heard. After that horrific hit to the head he just went completely off the rails afterwards. Before that there was nothing too crazy.
 

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Has he been officially released yet? I know what Arians said, but if not maybe they give it time for it all to calm down and to get him help and reassess?
 

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Has he been officially released yet? I know what Arians said, but if not maybe they give it time for it all to calm down and to get him help and reassess?
I cannot imagine they change their mind after it was basically the first thing the coach said after the game in a press conference.
 

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Haven’t seen it linked but the Post has it that Arians asked him to play in the third but he said his ankle was sore and he couldn’t go. Arians told him he was done for the day…so he left.
 

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Haven’t seen it linked but the Post has it that Arians asked him to play in the third but he said his ankle was sore and he couldn’t go. Arians told him he was done for the day…so he left.
Weird. He looked to be running ok and obviously had those incentives. Had 5 targets so not like he wasn’t getting action. But I guess that’s AB for you.
 

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Haven’t seen it linked but the Post has it that Arians asked him to play in the third but he said his ankle was sore and he couldn’t go. Arians told him he was done for the day…so he left.
That link doesn’t mention the ankle. Is there another link?

Haven’t seen the reason Brown refused to go into the game mentioned in a postgame article yet. Brown didn’t practice on Thursday due to the ankle. The sideline reporter mentioned after Halftime that Arians told her Brown and Evans were being kept on a snap count in their return from injury.
 

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Haven’t seen it linked but the Post has it that Arians asked him to play in the third but he said his ankle was sore and he couldn’t go. Arians told him he was done for the day…so he left.
Coach: Can you go?
AB: No, ankle is sore.
Coach: Okay, sit the rest of this one out.
AB: WTF??? I QUIT!!!
 

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AB can be a total asshole AND have mental health issues. People can make fun of his outburst AND show him some empathy.

Brady is ridiculously good, it’s beyond real at this point how good. The twilight of his career has been better than Clemens’ already.

The loss of AB and Godwin are likely to hurt TB in the postseason though, it would be exciting to see what TB12 can do with this team the next few weeks. . . .you know, for Tampa Bay Buccaneers fans.
 

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I remember the video of him screaming the vilest things at his kids’ mom-in front of his kids-and laughing at them all like the biggest asshole in the world. Sometimes people are just that, complete assholes. Antonio for me falls in that camp.
 

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That link doesn’t mention the ankle. Is there another link?

Haven’t seen the reason Brown refused to go into the game mentioned in a postgame article yet. Brown didn’t practice on Thursday due to the ankle. The sideline reporter mentioned after Halftime that Arians told her Brown and Evans were being kept on a snap count in their return from injury.
Hey, you’re right that article doesn’t reference the ankle. I may have heard that as part of the coverage, or read it in another article, but I didn’t make it up :). My apologies
 

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I think AB's exit today tops Irving Fryar departing Foxborough mid-game and crashing his car.
Which spawned the best lede ever (Borges (I think)): "First there was the knife in the hand. Then there was the fork in the road."

If his leash was that short, why would you even bring him back?

What in AB's history told them that he was never going to take another step out of line.
They just set themselves up to look like fools.
I'm pretty sure TB (the team and the player) knew *something* was likely to happen. Meanwhile, they got some good use out of him. Brady might be the only person who cares beyond that. I doubt Arians cares much about looking like a fool.