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My mother is 82 and had a histerectamy back when the best part of you ran down your fathers leg.

What piss poor comeback by you.

Not just poor, but piss poor.

The zoo comment was ok, the sucking your balls comment was bad, this one about my mother is a total dumpster fire.

You've got to be from Jersey, I'm guessing either Paterson, Secaucus or Hackensack.

My money is on Paterson.
I don't know what is funnier, that you perceive that a hysterectomy would do anything to a woman's sexual activity, that an 82 year old woman doesn't have sexual needs, or that you can't spell hysterectomy.

I honestly feel like Kramer when he went to the karate class.
 

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This is the most loserist post I've ever read. He 'basically' beat Urban yesterday, except he didn't. He effectively cost his team the game with his cry baby tactics on the sideline.

Also, what does un-Hoke the team mean? Did Urban need to un-Fickell the team?

Apparently he needs an Andrew Luck to win, so hopefully for your sake he finds one.
If he cost his team the game with his sideline antics, then you're reinforcing my point. That side line stuff NEVER gets called, and Urban did the exact same thing with no call. The ref who called it said, "well they call it in basketball." Are you serious!?

I recognize Harbaugh whines a lot, but so do many great coaches. I realize he's a weird guy who rubs some people the wrong way, but let's not pretend these other guys are saints. Christ, we all know urban is no molder of men.

I often criticize the refs, but I rarely attribute the outcome to them. Yesterday's game was horribly officiated. Could Michigan have played better to overcome it? Absolutely. Should they have to? No.
 
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If he cost his team the game with his sideline antics, then you're reinforcing my point. That side line stuff NEVER gets called, and Urban did the exact same thing with no call. The ref who called it said, "well they call it in basketball." Are you serious!?
He smashed and literally broke his headset, and he threw his playsheet onto the field. This wasn't a case of jawing hard, or getting a bit animated, this was extreme. Plus, he had doubtless been a douche the entire game.

Harbaugh claimed that the ref told him this, which he may well have had after having to listen to Harbaugh yap on and on. But it is a legitimate NCAA football rulebook penalty and despite the claim, sideline offenses are called pretty commonly against coaches at the college and high school level, particularly if they go onto the field to do something or have sideline equipment hit the field.
 

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If he cost his team the game with his sideline antics, then you're reinforcing my point. That side line stuff NEVER gets called, and Urban did the exact same thing with no call. The ref who called it said, "well they call it in basketball." Are you serious!?

I recognize Harbaugh whines a lot, but so do many great coaches. I realize he's a weird guy who rubs some people the wrong way, but let's not pretend these other guys are saints. Christ, we all know urban is no molder of men.

I often criticize the refs, but I rarely attribute the outcome to them. Yesterday's game was horribly officiated. Could Michigan have played better to overcome it? Absolutely. Should they have to? No.
Turns out two of the officials, the head ref and the back judge are Ohio residents and OSU fans. Don't know about the sideline "basketball" referee. Would have thought the Big 10 would be more circumspect about assigning officiating crews. Not saying the refs were dishonest, just homers, and there's no way a ref from Ohio could reverse the bad spot and end the game with a Michigan win... and not have to move out of state afterwards.
 

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Turns out two of the officials, the head ref and the back judge are Ohio residents and OSU fans. Don't know about the sideline "basketball" referee. Would have thought the Big 10 would be more circumspect about assigning officiating crews. Not saying the refs were dishonest, just homers, and there's no way a ref from Ohio could reverse the bad spot and end the game with a Michigan win... and not have to move out of state afterwards.
Have you seen the picture from the overhead camera which shows the ball over the 15 yard line, you know, THE LINE TO GAIN!!! You whinerines do nothing but cry, bitch and moan. Capron's is easily the best group in the conference.

You want to win a big game? Try getting a first down in the 4th quarter. You guys turtled. and blew it yesterday, just like you turtled and blew it against MSU last year allowing them to be in position to do what they did on the last play.
 

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Turns out two of the officials, the head ref and the back judge are Ohio residents and OSU fans. Don't know about the sideline "basketball" referee. Would have thought the Big 10 would be more circumspect about assigning officiating crews. Not saying the refs were dishonest, just homers, and there's no way a ref from Ohio could reverse the bad spot and end the game with a Michigan win... and not have to move out of state afterwards.
You are truly the gift that keeps on giving.
 

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I have no dog in this fight but man the Michigan fans are whining a lot. This game was winnable and they just blew it. Refs had nothing to do with it.
 

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I don't know what is funnier, that you perceive that a hysterectomy would do anything to a woman's sexual activity, that an 82 year old woman doesn't have sexual needs, or that you can't spell hysterectomy.

I honestly feel like Kramer when he went to the karate class.
He's a poster that has been run out of here multiple times, has had to change his name to pretend not to be a shitty poster/person and is now pretending to not know where you are from to score internet points.

In other words, a Michigan fan.
 

dhappy42

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Have you seen the picture from the overhead camera which shows the ball over the 15 yard line, you know, THE LINE TO GAIN!!! You whinerines do nothing but cry, bitch and moan. Capron's is easily the best group in the conference.

You want to win a big game? Try getting a first down in the 4th quarter. You guys turtled. and blew it yesterday, just like you turtled and blew it against MSU last year allowing them to be in position to do what they did on the last play.
No. I haven't seen that photo. I've seen several other photos though that clearly show Barrett was short.

The officiating of that MSU game was even worse. Ridiculous targeting call and clear roughing the long snapper on the last play. Not whining. You brought it up.
 

dhappy42

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Have you seen the picture from the overhead camera which shows the ball over the 15 yard line, you know, THE LINE TO GAIN!!! You whinerines do nothing but cry, bitch and moan. Capron's is easily the best group in the conference.

You want to win a big game? Try getting a first down in the 4th quarter. You guys turtled. and blew it yesterday, just like you turtled and blew it against MSU last year allowing them to be in position to do what they did on the last play.
One of these camera angles?

http://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/michigan-has-legit-beef-with-controversial-spot-on-ohio-states-fourth-down-conversion/
 

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Have you seen the picture from the overhead camera which shows the ball over the 15 yard line, you know, THE LINE TO GAIN!!! You whinerines do nothing but cry, bitch and moan. Capron's is easily the best group in the conference.

You want to win a big game? Try getting a first down in the 4th quarter. You guys turtled. and blew it yesterday, just like you turtled and blew it against MSU last year allowing them to be in position to do what they did on the last play.

That overhead photo is dubious and has been widely discredited. Look at the hashmarks - they are going diagonally. It's not a real overhead.

There are some interesting shots online that show where the guy's butt was that stopped the ball. Those frame by frame shots make it seem extremely unlikely that he got there.
 

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Let it go brotato chip. The refs didn't lose the game for UM, it was the fact that your team couldn't do anything on offense in the 4th quater, had 3 really bad turnovers and allowed Curtis Samual to score untouched for the winning touchdown.

The better team won, bottom line.

Michigan blew plenty of chances to win the game - absolutely true. This does not mean the better team won. Move the game to AA and Michigan, with the refs, win that game if both teams play the same. Osu is an amazing program but not that special this year. Fully expect you guys to be great next year and beat Michigan at the big house. I'm not as biased as you suspect. I get it that osu has been the superior program - I think Meyer is the best coach out there not named saban. I also think Michigan is the better team this year and while they shot themselves in the foot, it was very poorly officiated game. I'd much rather lose bc osu played better - they didn't. Missed fgs, struggled to move the ball all day, terrible fake punt, etc.
 

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Michigan blew plenty of chances to win the game - absolutely true. This does not mean the better team won. Move the game to AA and Michigan, with the refs, win that game if both teams play the same. Osu is an amazing program but not that special this year. Fully expect you guys to be great next year and beat Michigan at the big house. I'm not as biased as you suspect. I get it that osu has been the superior program - I think Meyer is the best coach out there not named saban. I also think Michigan is the better team this year and while they shot themselves in the foot, it was very poorly officiated game. I'd much rather lose bc osu played better - they didn't. Missed fgs, struggled to move the ball all day, terrible fake punt, etc.

Well put. Same here. I've no problem with Michigan being beaten fairly... or even stomped like Ohio has stomped them for the last several years. But yesterday's game was a joke. Forget the regulation-time mistakes. Both teams made several. Forget the dodgy officiating during the first four quarters. In OT, the officials made not one, but two game-changing horribly bad calls. That's a disgrace. If Michigan had won that way, I'd be too embarrassed to gloat and would instead be somewhat ashamed. Maybe that's the real difference between Michigan and Ohio fans.
 

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Penn State's entire candidacy rests on one game, something that only even came into play because Iowa upset Michigan. Even with a win over a team at a neutral site that Ohio State beat on the road, what's your argument that their overall body of work is more impressive?
The case for PSU is simple: if they win next week, they'll be the champion of what has widely been regarded as the strongest conference in the country this season. (If they don't beat Wisconsin, then obviously they have no case.) 2-loss conference champion + H2H win >> 1-loss non-champion.

If Clemson or Washington loses, it's moot, as there will be room for two B1G teams in the Final Four. (I think the PSU-Wisconsin winner and tOSU will both be ahead of Oklahoma, or Colorado if they beat UW.)
 

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I admit to not really understanding the disdain between the two schools, aside from the normal undergrad crap. Spent a bunch of time in NE Ohio, knew lots of folks on both sides of the conflict. They're pretty similar from what I can tell. OSU is a bit more of a pro feeder school these days, but its pretty close. Familiarity breeds contempt?
 

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I admit to not really understanding the disdain between the two schools, aside from the normal undergrad crap. Spent a bunch of time in NE Ohio, knew lots of folks on both sides of the conflict. They're pretty similar from what I can tell. OSU is a bit more of a pro feeder school these days, but its pretty close. Familiarity breeds contempt?
That's how sports rivalries work. It's Harvard/Yale, Army/Navy, Texas/Oklahoma, and Boston/New York, not Harvard/Oklahoma, Army/BYU, and New York/San Diego.
 

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The case for PSU is simple: if they win next week, they'll be the champion of what has widely been regarded as the strongest conference in the country this season. (If they don't beat Wisconsin, then obviously they have no case.) 2-loss conference champion + H2H win >> 1-loss non-champion.

If Clemson or Washington loses, it's moot, as there will be room for two B1G teams in the Final Four. (I think the PSU-Wisconsin winner and tOSU will both be ahead of Oklahoma, or Colorado if they beat UW.)
If Penn State makes it over Ohio State, then the playoff should just be the four best conference champions and Ohio State shouldn't bother scheduling games like at Oklahoma because they would clearly mean nothing. We're only in this position because Michigan lost to Iowa, or else Penn State would be in the Capital One Bowl where they belong. Forget even the lopsided OOC differential - Ohio State has a better conference resume despite the head-to-head loss. They beat a team that absolutely shellacked Penn State and played a much tougher slate from the West. You think Penn State wins at Camp Randall?
 
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Well put. Same here. I've no problem with Michigan being beaten fairly... or even stomped like Ohio has stomped them for the last several years. But yesterday's game was a joke. Forget the regulation-time mistakes. Both teams made several. Forget the dodgy officiating during the first four quarters. In OT, the officials made not one, but two game-changing horribly bad calls. That's a disgrace. If Michigan had won that way, I'd be too embarrassed to gloat and would instead be somewhat ashamed. Maybe that's the real difference between Michigan and Ohio fans.
You don't seem to be embarrassed to do much to be honest.
 

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The case for PSU is simple: if they win next week, they'll be the champion of what has widely been regarded as the strongest conference in the country this season. (If they don't beat Wisconsin, then obviously they have no case.) 2-loss conference champion + H2H win >> 1-loss non-champion.

If Clemson or Washington loses, it's moot, as there will be room for two B1G teams in the Final Four. (I think the PSU-Wisconsin winner and tOSU will both be ahead of Oklahoma, or Colorado if they beat UW.)
Dude, we get it. both teams were awful and would be crushed by anyone in the SEC. Blah blah blah......stop, you are becoming as silly as the UM goobs.

You know the last non-conference champ who went to the BCS championship game? Let's see if you can remember. It wasn't long ago.
 

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If Penn State makes it over Ohio State, then the playoff should just be the four best conference champions and Ohio State shouldn't bother scheduling games like at Oklahoma because they would clearly mean nothing. We're only in this position because Michigan lost to Iowa, or else Penn State would be in the Capital One Bowl where they belong. Forget even the lopsided OOC differential - Ohio State has a better conference resume despite the head-to-head loss. They beat a team that absolutely shellacked Penn State and played a much tougher slate from the West. You think Penn State wins at Camp Randall?

I agree with this. Michigan, in fact, has a better resume than penn state. Ohio state does too. Schedule and out of conference performance matter.
 

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Dude, we get it. both teams were awful and would be crushed by anyone in the SEC. Blah blah blah......stop, you are becoming as silly as the UM goobs.

You know the last non-conference champ who went to the BCS championship game? Let's see if you can remember. It wasn't long ago.
It was a different system. The Committee has specifically says it gives weight to conference championships and H2H results. I don't relish the thought of Penn State in the tournament, but based on what the Committee has said about its own process, it's a distinct possibility.
 

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It was a different system. The Committee has specifically says it gives weight to conference championships and H2H results. I don't relish the thought of Penn State in the tournament, but based on what the Committee has said about its own process, it's a distinct possibility.
Yes, just as they did in 2011 when Alabama was - rightfully - put into the BCS championship.

There is precendent here and while the committee may give weight to conference championships and H2H, Penn State had one win of meaning in their schedule and frankly, are not that good a team. Plus....if there is one team in the nation that is not going to get the benefit of the doubt on something like this, it is going to be the team that will bring their Paterno issues into the spotlight along with them.
 

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sure, it is a possibility. It would also be a travesty. Penn State as conference champ would almost certainly be due to a quirk of scheduling and good fortune. Penn State is what, the third or fourth best team in the Big 10? They had very easy cross over games and pulled out a game against Ohio State at home.

If the playoff is meant to pit the best four schools, then Penn State has no business being in there. Not all conference champs are created equal, and the particular circumstances that enabled Penn State to emerge as Big 10 conference champ should be taken into consideration. They have only beaten Rutgers, Perdue, and Indiana on the road for crying out loud!
 

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Here's the convincing angle.

http://www.diehardsport.com/college-football/refs-reportedly-didnt-have-access-to-all-angles-on-controversial-spot/

Barrett's left hand touches the ground on the white 15-yard line. The ball is in his right hand, cradled next to his right shoulder, at least one foot behind the line when his outstretched left hand touches the ground. After his left hand touches the ground Barrett moves backwards, so the ball was never crossed (or was even close to) the 15-yard line.

Again, not whining. Referees make mistakes. They're human. And referees from Ohio aren't going to risk a lynch mob to correct a mistake that would have resulted in a Michigan win. It boggles my mind that the Big 10 assigns home-town officials to games.
 
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No. I haven't seen that photo. I've seen several other photos though that clearly show Barrett was short.

The officiating of that MSU game was even worse. Ridiculous targeting call and clear roughing the long snapper on the last play. Not whining. You brought it up.
I notice you didn't bother to bring up the 1yard TD that only happened because the refs didn't bother to whistle the play dead.

Also no mention of the blatant targeting on a kick return this year that wasn't called. Doesn't make a difference in the outcome but it was a dangerous play that should have been flagged. The same clown was hit with a targeting call two weeks later for a similar earhole shot. Think it was Bush.
 
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I'm glad it only took two days, several angles, and presumably someone yelling "ENHANCE!" at a computer several times to figure this out.
 

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I admit to not really understanding the disdain between the two schools, aside from the normal undergrad crap. Spent a bunch of time in NE Ohio, knew lots of folks on both sides of the conflict. They're pretty similar from what I can tell. OSU is a bit more of a pro feeder school these days, but its pretty close. Familiarity breeds contempt?
Pretty sure Ohio realizes that its flagship school is a glorified, open-enrollment degree factory that identifies primarily with its football team. Meanwhile, UM is capable of success in the B1G/nationally in academics and sport. Post Cooper, OSU has the football upper-hand, but when it comes to playing Michigan they still see themselves as some sort of gritty, upstart MAC team that will kick its mother out of the trailer in order win the boys another set of gold pants (which can conveniently flipped for tats or upgrades on their "loaner" cars). OSU fans make up clever songs about 'not giving a damn about the whole state of Michigan' or somesuch and actually institute the removal of "M" from signage. And try to drive a car with Michigan plates around Ohio without getting a "do you know how fast you were going" on 75 or the turnpike.

It makes me wonder - if the Bucks kick so much ass, why do they continue to vehemently hate "TSUN?"
 
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Pretty sure Ohio realizes that its flagship school is a glorified, open-enrollment degree factory that identifies primarily with its football team. Meanwhile, UM is capable of success in the B1G/nationally in academics and sport. Post Cooper, OSU has the football upper-hand, but when it comes to playing Michigan they still see themselves as some sort of gritty, upstart MAC team that will kick its mother out of the trailer in order win the boys another set of gold pants (which can conveniently flipped for tats or upgrades on their "loaner" cars). OSU fans make up clever songs about 'not giving a damn about the whole state of Michigan' or somesuch and actually institute the removal of "M" from signage. And try to drive a car with Michigan plates around Ohio without getting a "do you know how fast you were going" on 75 or the turnpike.

It makes me wonder - if the Bucks kick so much ass, why do they continue to vehemently hate "TSUN?"
But what was the final score Saturday?
 

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It was obvious it was a close call. Why don't you back away from the thread for a little bit? You're starting to make Ohio State fans look rational and sympathetic.
You seem to projecting your fan fervor onto me. I'm completely okay with the loss. That doesn't change the fact that Barrett didn't make it to the 16-yard line. To me, it's similar to Deflategate. The facts say one thing, officials and fanatics say another. That Patriots were fined, Brady suspended, and Ohio won the game doesn't mean that there was a ball-deflating conspiracy or that Ohio actually got that game-changing first down.

There are lessons to be learned, though. Goodell is a mendacious asshole is one. College football games should not be officiated by hometown refs is another.
 

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I didn't really care about either team, but going forward I'll always root for tOSU. Michigan fans are nuts. The better team won, definitionally. They scored more points. Boo hoo to home field advantage and "bad calls."
 

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I didn't really care about either team, but going forward I'll always root for tOSU. Michigan fans are nuts. The better team won, definitionally. They scored more points. Boo hoo to home field advantage and "bad calls."
The idea that the score of one game "definitionally" tells you which team is better is nuts. The "better team" loses to bad teams, even horrible teams, all the time in baseball. (You're familiar with the concept of "an upset," no?) The Pats have lost to the Bills and Seahawks this year. Are the Bills and Seahawks better teams? If the Pats had somehow lost to the Jets yesterday, perhaps due to a series of bad calls from the refs, would you be claiming that the Jets are better than the Patriots, by definition? Don't think so.

Not saying Ohio is a bad team. Saying That this year Michigan is better and had the refs not been homers, Michigan would have won the game. So it goes... That's the peril of playing big games in away stadiums. To win, you've got to take the game away from the hometown officials.
 

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I didn't really care about either team, but going forward I'll always root for tOSU. Michigan fans are nuts. The better team won, definitionally. They scored more points. Boo hoo to home field advantage and "bad calls."
I thought I hated OSU. Now I hope they never lose another game.

The better team does lose in sports all the time. But not all sports and games are judged equal. In college football (football in general), there are certain games you HAVE to win. If you don't, you aren't the better team.
 

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Pretty sure Ohio realizes that its flagship school is a glorified, open-enrollment degree factory that identifies primarily with its football team. Meanwhile, UM is capable of success in the B1G/nationally in academics and sport. Post Cooper, OSU has the football upper-hand, but when it comes to playing Michigan they still see themselves as some sort of gritty, upstart MAC team that will kick its mother out of the trailer in order win the boys another set of gold pants (which can conveniently flipped for tats or upgrades on their "loaner" cars). OSU fans make up clever songs about 'not giving a damn about the whole state of Michigan' or somesuch and actually institute the removal of "M" from signage. And try to drive a car with Michigan plates around Ohio without getting a "do you know how fast you were going" on 75 or the turnpike.

It makes me wonder - if the Bucks kick so much ass, why do they continue to vehemently hate "TSUN?"
Ah more whining but with a new flavor.

UM wishes that it could contribute half as much to the state of Michigan in terms of medical advancement, agricultural support, tech, engineering, research.....I could literally go on and on.......as tOSU does to Ohio. UM is a great place for out of state kids who can't cut it in the premium East Coast schools to have their parents talk about at cocktail parties, but from a "support the state" mandate, there are few institutions in the US who do it as well as tOSU. Sit down chuckles.
 

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As a Michigan fan and crybaby game threader of the first degree (seriously, check out my work in the Bruibs game threads sometime), Michigan fans need to get over it. They probably could have won by 20 if they didn't play like dog balls for most of the 2nd half. Oh well. Shit happens.
 

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As a Michigan fan and crybaby game threader of the first degree (seriously, check out my work in the Bruibs game threads sometime), Michigan fans need to get over it. They probably could have won by 20 if they didn't play like dog balls for most of the 2nd half. Oh well. Shit happens.
Please stop trolling these fans good sir.
 

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You seem to projecting your fan fervor onto me. I'm completely okay with the loss. That doesn't change the fact that Barrett didn't make it to the 16-yard line. To me, it's similar to Deflategate. The facts say one thing, officials and fanatics say another. That Patriots were fined, Brady suspended, and Ohio won the game doesn't mean that there was a ball-deflating conspiracy or that Ohio actually got that game-changing first down.

There are lessons to be learned, though. Goodell is a mendacious asshole is one. College football games should not be officiated by hometown refs is another.
I'm not an Ohio State fan. Far from it. Hated them since they beat Miami in the BCS Championship Game awhile back. Also spent the last two years in AA cheering for Michigan, in fact. You're just projecting your insecurity and faulty logic on me not liking Michigan.
 

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The idea that the score of one game "definitionally" tells you which team is better is nuts. The "better team" loses to bad teams, even horrible teams, all the time in baseball. (You're familiar with the concept of "an upset," no?) The Pats have lost to the Bills and Seahawks this year. Are the Bills and Seahawks better teams? If the Pats had somehow lost to the Jets yesterday, perhaps due to a series of bad calls from the refs, would you be claiming that the Jets are better than the Patriots, by definition? Don't think so.

Not saying Ohio is a bad team. Saying That this year Michigan is better and had the refs not been homers, Michigan would have won the game. So it goes... That's the peril of playing big games in away stadiums. To win, you've got to take the game away from the hometown officials.
Yeah, sometimes the better team loses, and I get upsets, but this wasn't an upset. Ohio State was favored, and they won. Also, the Bills were probably a better team than the Pats with an injured Brissett, and it's entirely possible the Seahawks are a better team in general.

I still don't see your evidence that Michigan is the better team. They were underdogs and lower ranked. They're better in your mind because they lost a game you believe they should've won?
 

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I thought I hated OSU. Now I hope they never lose another game.

The better team does lose in sports all the time. But not all sports and games are judged equal. In college football (football in general), there are certain games you HAVE to win. If you don't, you aren't the better team.
Sure, and if the officials had spotted the ball correctly in Ohio's last OT possession, Michigan would have won.
 

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Man alive, Michigan fans are the worst. You know WBV is reading this thread and kicking himself in the nuts over and over so he can't add his one cent.