RIP Toucher and Rich Show ... It was fun while it lasted
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moondog80 said:
Yeah, but shock-jocks do that kind of stuff all the time. T&R do this stuff once every 2 years or so(maybe less)? Shock-jock is fake. I think Fred had heard enough from the locals(especially media personalites) that he knew that Pitino was a piece of garbage, so he treated him as such. It was better than discussing the NCAA basketball season in early October, or how Pitino had a great impact on the Boston sports scene.
Of course:
Gerry Callahan @GerryCallahan 5m
Good for @stoolpresidente. You have to be pretty f**king far in the tank to think hanging up on someone is "amusing." http://boston.barstoolsports.com/around-barstool/toucher-and-rich-cant-stop-sucking-each-others-dicks-over-hanging-up-on-rick-pitino/ …
Gerry Callahan @GerryCallahan 5m
Good for @stoolpresidente. You have to be pretty f**king far in the tank to think hanging up on someone is "amusing." http://boston.barstoolsports.com/around-barstool/toucher-and-rich-cant-stop-sucking-each-others-dicks-over-hanging-up-on-rick-pitino/ …
Do D&C not realize they're just giving their competition attention? This may be the biggest problem with being number one so long. They have no idea what to do when they're losing.
moondog80 said:
Agreed. The cackling afterwards followed by "that was frigging brilliant!!" was pathetic.
The hanging up on Pitino was sophomoric and whether it was funny or not is debatable, but the hand wringing and indignation over it from all corners is completely over the top. Such a minor and largely inconsequential incident, and everyone is acting like it's the end of the world.
I thought it was pretty funny.
The incident itself, ok fine, but why in the fuck would Pitino's PR people book him in this town. He fucking sucked here. Don't talk about bad luck and Tim Duncan. He fucking sucked. ML Carr sucked too but at least we all knew he was stooging for the number 1 pick (a strategy which in itself sucks). But PItino was actually trying and made a bunch of shittastic fuckstain moves with no understanding of how NBA teams work, no understanding of how the NBA salary cap worked, and no ability to put together game plans to win games in the NBA with the talent that he had...and nothing but shitty excuses for why his team was so terrible. So fuck him.
Anyone who thinks Pitino would have given a thoughtful answer to any question about his tenure here is insanely stupid. There was no "missed opportunity."
And since I felt some catharsis, I don't blame Wallach for feeling the same way.
The incident itself, ok fine, but why in the fuck would Pitino's PR people book him in this town. He fucking sucked here. Don't talk about bad luck and Tim Duncan. He fucking sucked. ML Carr sucked too but at least we all knew he was stooging for the number 1 pick (a strategy which in itself sucks). But PItino was actually trying and made a bunch of shittastic fuckstain moves with no understanding of how NBA teams work, no understanding of how the NBA salary cap worked, and no ability to put together game plans to win games in the NBA with the talent that he had...and nothing but shitty excuses for why his team was so terrible. So fuck him.
Anyone who thinks Pitino would have given a thoughtful answer to any question about his tenure here is insanely stupid. There was no "missed opportunity."
And since I felt some catharsis, I don't blame Wallach for feeling the same way.
Bob Neumeier was beyond angry last night on Comcast Sports Net.
It's just sports. In the grand scheme of things, who gives a shit if some jackass head coach of a college basketball team gets hung up on? More athletes and coaches need to get hung up on, both figurative and literally.
It's just sports. In the grand scheme of things, who gives a shit if some jackass head coach of a college basketball team gets hung up on? More athletes and coaches need to get hung up on, both figurative and literally.
Smas, your comments on Pitino's tenure are 100% accurate. My issue with T&R was how they turned the stunt into a self-congratulatory sideshow.
I had no problem with the hang-up itself. Had they chuckled briefly afterwards and made a quick segue to another topic, it would have been a better reinforcement of their "we don't have time for this clown" stance.
Frankly I'd much rather they'd have kept Pitino on the line while berating him, just to see if/how he responded. There were a hundred different things they could have used for their pillory. What were you thinking when you shoved Red Auerbach aside? Why on earth did you ever believe Travis Knight or Andrew DeClerq could ever contribute to an NBA team in any meaningful way? How can you possibly justify your credibility after the Chauncey Billups trade? Hammer him relentlessly and put him on the defensive. Let HIM be the one to hang up. I can guarantee it would have made for far more entertaining radio.
I had no problem with the hang-up itself. Had they chuckled briefly afterwards and made a quick segue to another topic, it would have been a better reinforcement of their "we don't have time for this clown" stance.
Frankly I'd much rather they'd have kept Pitino on the line while berating him, just to see if/how he responded. There were a hundred different things they could have used for their pillory. What were you thinking when you shoved Red Auerbach aside? Why on earth did you ever believe Travis Knight or Andrew DeClerq could ever contribute to an NBA team in any meaningful way? How can you possibly justify your credibility after the Chauncey Billups trade? Hammer him relentlessly and put him on the defensive. Let HIM be the one to hang up. I can guarantee it would have made for far more entertaining radio.
Well, they did try to jump right into another segment but they were distracted and chuckling, the music you hear at the end of the call is the intro to "The stack", one of their daily segments. Then Wallach made the "brilliant" and "every Celtics fans wish" comments and then callers praised them for the remaining 10 minutes of their show. And to be fair, they didn't tweet out or post the situation on facebook, everyone else did. The whole "ordeal" would likely have ended with thier show but Gresh and Zo played it 2 or maybe 3 times and Felger & Mazz played it at least once.mabrowndog said:
Hysterical, overwrought and hyper-critical reactions to just about everything have joined death and taxes in the pantheon of constants.Red(s)HawksFan said:
That and that Rick Pitino deserves some serious abuse.
mabrowndog said:
Pitino is not an idiot, it wouldnt stick around for those questions even to promote his book. He would have heard one, said "nice talking with you guys" and hung up. He wouldnt get into an confrontation about past history, and thats not fulfilling. What they did was infinitely more awesome than that.
I'll tell you how he would've responded, "Guys, I'm not here to talk about the past. I want to talk about my book," and about 95 different versions of that.mabrowndog said:
kenneycb said:
Then they should keep hammering him with the questions and not let him mention a single word about the book. The entertainment comes in us knowing he's sitting on the other end of the line with no choice than to listen to the barrage or hang up, and in him knowing millions of listeners are enjoying hearing him get verbally ass-raped on live radio.
There was a way to do something far more effectively (and far more "friggin' brilliant") than what they did.
Fred was talking about it today and said it "took no talent" to do what he did yesterday. Wallach was the one who said it was brilliant but in fairness I don't think T&R think that (Wallach really kind of sucks on the show). This morning they honestly seemed a little stunned that it has attracted so much attention (both positive and negative, Fred said he has gotten more positive comments on this than anything else he's done in his career).
I dunno, I found it far more entertaining than hearing a host berate a guest for 5 minutes as he dances around answers. This made me laugh. Your version would've made me forget about the interview 2 seconds after Pitino hung up.mabrowndog said:
mabrowndog said:
I think this is missing the whole point Fred made today. He didn't even think really when they booked him and on the break before the interview, he said screw it and told the producer he was just going to hang up on him. There wasn't any plan or any real thought behind it. It wasn't a planned bit or something they apparently he even thought about more than 2 minutes before it started.
It was dumb, I found it funny, and apparently it was the perfect thing to do. If Fred had peppered him with questions, there'd probably be no national story about it. Instead they're on Deadspin, Yahoo! and everywhere else. I'd say he executed perfectly if it is getting this much attention.
I think it was a little awkward, but also pretty funny at the same time. Yes, Fred's done that before, but there's no one more deserving than Pitino. I actually wish he said something more than "You stink." Something more along the lines of, "Morning, Rick. Our listeners hate you so goodbye." *click* It would have made it seem more like he did it for Celtics fans and less like he did it for publicity. Though, honestly, I don't think he thought it through as much as people think he did. Fred pretty much goes in any direction he wants to go in and that's one of the things that makes the show great.
Per Fred, he's done it four times in his 8 years. Pitino, Theo Fleury, Terrelle, er it's Terrell, Owens and Bill Walton.
The Theo Fleury one was the absolute best. They had been trying for weeks to get him on, he kept blowing them off last minute. It happened so many times it became a running joke that they kept teasing it every day then saying he postponed again. Then one day he finally did call in and Fred hung up on him right away. It was the first time he had done something like it and it was completely unexpected and valid due to all the crap Fleury was pulling on them.kenneycb said:
The Walton one is because was going on and on about how awesome the Lakers were right after the Celtics season ended and Fred basically said that his listeners didn't want to hear him like this so he hung up.
I don't remember the TO one.
The TO one was because all he wanted to talk about was his new diving show.
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/01/07/terrell-owens-on-toucher-rich-i-thought-we-were-talking-about-diving/
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/01/07/terrell-owens-on-toucher-rich-i-thought-we-were-talking-about-diving/
kenneycb said:
The common thread being, fuck all these attention whores.
Every time I forget how humorless and miserable people are, stuff like this happen. The guy is a mealy mouthed, arrogant, adulterer and is a fucking prick to boot. This wasn't done for ratings. This was done because Fred spontaneously decided, "Why did we book this guy? Fuck him" and thought it would be funny.
If you didn't think it was funny, that's OK. But to go any deeper than "Meh, I just didn't think it was all that funny" is bizarre. If you really wanted to hear Pitino answer questions about Travis Knight and Chauncy Billups, you're an idiot. At the absolute best, he's completely honest and says, "At the time I thought they were the right moves. I wasn't trying to do bad things on purpose. They were a mistakes."
Exhilarating. You weren't actively trying to be terrible? This all makes sense now!
the interview was going to be a snooze, Fred knew it and said "Fuck it". If you didn't think it was funny, I get it. The other complaints are just fucking weird.
Yes, this.kenneycb said:
The build-up to the Pitino interview was that Wallach was supposed to grill Pitino with all the "tough questions", because Wallach, like most C's fans, had a grudge against him. Fred and Rich weren't even around during the Pitino years, and couldn't care less.
Fred basically did his audience the favor of sparing us five minutes of listening to Pitino promote a book while Wallach tried to do a "real" interview about stuff from 10 years ago. Anyone who thinks that a "real" Pitino interview would have been informative or elucidating is mistaken. It was a promo appearance for a book tour. Maybe it would have been more mature have turned down Pitino's request for an appearance altogether, but otherwise Fred's goof of just saying "you stink!" and hanging up on him was probably the peak of the potential entertainment/information curve that was going to come from it.
mabrowndog said:
Again, I have no love for Pitino. But a year after he traded Billups, the Raptors traded him to Denver. A year after that, he was traded to Orlando, who simply let him go via FA to Minnesota, and then two years after that he was again a FA and signed with Detroit. It was at that point, five years after Pitino traded him, that he found himself. Meanhile, they got four good-to-decent years from Kenny Anderson. For all Pitino did wrong, I can't hold that one against him.
This wouldn't be funny across the board. You have to kind of understand who Toucher is (and what T&R do every day) to appreciate the humor beyond the sophomoric part. Nobody mocks themselves or takes themselves - or the sports scene - less seriously than T&R. To me the bit was funny, especially as a callback to the couple past times they've done it (it's almost an honor to merit the hangup at this point). It was also not undeserved. What muddies the waters is Wallach oohing and aaahing like a 5-year old afterwards. His tone clashes with what T&R do 98% of the time.
Douche on douce crime. Blah is my reaction.
As for Pitino's credibility in the wake of the Billups trade, I'm sure we'd all settle for being one of the five best college basketball coaches in the country and perhaps one of 20 best of all time. I think he's got basketball credibility in droves.
EDIT: Also, while he sucked with the Celtics, he did not "suck in Boston;" he was great at BU.
As for Pitino's credibility in the wake of the Billups trade, I'm sure we'd all settle for being one of the five best college basketball coaches in the country and perhaps one of 20 best of all time. I think he's got basketball credibility in droves.
EDIT: Also, while he sucked with the Celtics, he did not "suck in Boston;" he was great at BU.
He has credibility as a college coach. History has shown there's a distinction between the two levels.riboflav said:
Fred pretty much responded to the main criticisms this morning by saying (1) Rich and Wallach didn't know he was going to do it (hence the genuine surprised reactions in the immediate aftermath) and (2) he realized there was no interview to occur and that he would have deflected everything so why bore the audience.
Basically, he was being a goof and once the "lodge" and their ilk started getting all sanctimonious about it, he pointed out how it's the most positive response he has ever received on anything he's ever done. That will just piss them off more.
I actually didn't think it was THAT funny when I first heard it but I enjoyed the rant today and have really enjoyed how many are so "up in arms" about this.
Pitino should be universally despised in this town for what he did to Red (the title and the picture). I think it pretty much stops there.
Basically, he was being a goof and once the "lodge" and their ilk started getting all sanctimonious about it, he pointed out how it's the most positive response he has ever received on anything he's ever done. That will just piss them off more.
I actually didn't think it was THAT funny when I first heard it but I enjoyed the rant today and have really enjoyed how many are so "up in arms" about this.
Pitino should be universally despised in this town for what he did to Red (the title and the picture). I think it pretty much stops there.
moondog80 said:
He was the third pick of the first round the year that they traded him. Pitino didn't give him an opportunity to grow or mature and he got Anderson for a team that wasn't going anywhere. I can't remember Pitino's contract, but it wasn't like he was under the gun to win that year. The Celts FO and the fans knew that Boston was probably going to be bad for a little while and there was a ton of leeway given to him and the team.
Trading Billups at that moment was dumb, no matter how many other teams let him go after that -- those are mistakes too. You don't get extra credit for being the first one to fuck up.
BTW, did he actually play a game for the Magic. I went through his basketballref page and couldn't find anything.
John Marzano Olympic Hero said:
Wiki says he was hurt for his Orlando tenure. It also says he was considered a bust in NBA circles.
You don't get extra credit for being the first to fuck up, but so many different teams passing on him (in fact, you could say that *every* team passed on him when he signed for short money in Minnesota) indicates that his eventual emregence was something that was not reasonably forseeable. Also, the consensus at the time was that the C's had the #3 pick in a two-man draft, Billups was no sure thing. The only ohter player to amonunt to anything was Tracy McGrady, and it's not like Pitino was the only one reluctant to pick a high school kid that high in 1997 (T-Mac went 9th).
Had Billups not been traded, we can't just assume the light goes on sooner; most likely he plays out his rookie deal with uneven play and injuries, everyone pretty much agrees he's not worth bringing back, and he's let go.
Now, the Vitaly Potapenko deal, that was a disaster. Feel free to bash him for that one.
I don't necessarily disagree Moondog, it did take him five years before he became a good ballplayer, but certainly a month's worth of game action on a bad team isn't enough to determine his value, no? This was the biggest gripe that I had about Pitino, he'd fall in love with someone and do whatever he could to get him and then two weeks later he'd say that the guy sucked and ship him out of town getting a small percentage of what he initially shipped out.
Billups was the third pick in the NBA draft only five months before, how and why did Pitino fall in and out of love with him so quickly. And it's not as if Pitino had been in the NBA and wasn't watching film, he was at Kentucky and Colorado State made the tourney that year where they won their first tourney game in 30 years (thanks Wiki). I guess it all comes down to two questions:
1. If Pitino thought that he sucked so much, why did he draft him?
2. If Pitino thought he was good, why did he trade him?
Either way, he's a short-sighted fool.
Hell, even the Clippers kept Michael Olawakandi around for more than a month before they let him go.
Billups was the third pick in the NBA draft only five months before, how and why did Pitino fall in and out of love with him so quickly. And it's not as if Pitino had been in the NBA and wasn't watching film, he was at Kentucky and Colorado State made the tourney that year where they won their first tourney game in 30 years (thanks Wiki). I guess it all comes down to two questions:
1. If Pitino thought that he sucked so much, why did he draft him?
2. If Pitino thought he was good, why did he trade him?
Either way, he's a short-sighted fool.
Hell, even the Clippers kept Michael Olawakandi around for more than a month before they let him go.
kenneycb said:
Sure but a lot of NBA coaches have failed at the college level. There is a distinction but it doesn't mean that coaching in the pros is harder or superior. Many coaches at all levels argue that high school coaches have it the hardest and are some of the best at any level (see the Wootten family for one such example).
1. If Pitino thought that he sucked so much, why did he draft him?
2. If Pitino thought he was good, why did he trade him?
Either way, he's a short-sighted fool.
Hell, even the Clippers kept Michael Olawakandi around for more than a month before they let him go.
And what did the Clippers have to show for it? The Celtics don't come within two games of the finals without Kenny Anderson.
2. If Pitino thought he was good, why did he trade him?
Either way, he's a short-sighted fool.
Hell, even the Clippers kept Michael Olawakandi around for more than a month before they let him go.
And what did the Clippers have to show for it? The Celtics don't come within two games of the finals without Kenny Anderson.
Coming on the heels of their terrific Rondo interview, T&R made Kris Humphries seem pretty cool this morning. Another great interview that actually changed my opinion of the player.
