RIP Toucher and Rich Show ... It was fun while it lasted
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QUOTE (Razor Shines @ Nov 17 2009, 01:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2688555
I remember now why O&A annoyed me when they were here. They just seem like a couple of dicks. I'm enjoy dark humor, sarcasm, non-PC jokes. But, O&A are different about it. It's hard to explain, but, they just seem like they're genuinely not good people.
See, I'm completely of the opposite opinion in that I am a huge fan of their sense of humor. While I don't think it's something that would work on a format like TSH it was a nice refresher, and the whoel thing worked with a minimum of them talking all over each other. I wouldn't mind this as a weekly or bi-weekly segment, however I really wish that they would bring Ask Crash back into the fold.
I remember now why O&A annoyed me when they were here. They just seem like a couple of dicks. I'm enjoy dark humor, sarcasm, non-PC jokes. But, O&A are different about it. It's hard to explain, but, they just seem like they're genuinely not good people.
See, I'm completely of the opposite opinion in that I am a huge fan of their sense of humor. While I don't think it's something that would work on a format like TSH it was a nice refresher, and the whoel thing worked with a minimum of them talking all over each other. I wouldn't mind this as a weekly or bi-weekly segment, however I really wish that they would bring Ask Crash back into the fold.
QUOTE (Razor Shines @ Nov 17 2009, 10:03 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2688555
I remember now why O&A annoyed me when they were here. They just seem like a couple of dicks. I'm enjoy dark humor, sarcasm, non-PC jokes. But, O&A are different about it. It's hard to explain, but, they just seem like they're genuinely not good people.
I'm with you. I heard so much about these guys and when they moved to XM I was excited to catch their show (I had both XM and Sirius at the time). After listening for a week or so, I thought they were horrible...absolutely horrible. I love mean, dark humor too but I just hated these guys. I found Jim Norton funny at times but that was about it. They seemed like small, jealous (of Stern and others) DJs who hated life, hated themselves and everyone else. Normally that translates into something great (see pained comedians like Bill Hicks), but these guys had nothing creative to contribute.
Anyway, I tried to listen to T&R's online broadcast with them to see if some time had changed my opinion or if I had just "missed their humor" a couple of years ago when I first tried listening but the technical difficulties made me cut out quick. Haunted was right - these cross shows never work out.
I remember now why O&A annoyed me when they were here. They just seem like a couple of dicks. I'm enjoy dark humor, sarcasm, non-PC jokes. But, O&A are different about it. It's hard to explain, but, they just seem like they're genuinely not good people.
I'm with you. I heard so much about these guys and when they moved to XM I was excited to catch their show (I had both XM and Sirius at the time). After listening for a week or so, I thought they were horrible...absolutely horrible. I love mean, dark humor too but I just hated these guys. I found Jim Norton funny at times but that was about it. They seemed like small, jealous (of Stern and others) DJs who hated life, hated themselves and everyone else. Normally that translates into something great (see pained comedians like Bill Hicks), but these guys had nothing creative to contribute.
Anyway, I tried to listen to T&R's online broadcast with them to see if some time had changed my opinion or if I had just "missed their humor" a couple of years ago when I first tried listening but the technical difficulties made me cut out quick. Haunted was right - these cross shows never work out.
I think it was URI that summed up Fred's interviewing skills and they were put on full display this morning. Fred tried to interview Ortiz and Ortiz wasn't really playing along and the interview sucked, even when he started joking around about Papelbon and pornography in the clubhouse.
Then Damian Woody came on from the Jets and Woody was a lot more casual and it turned out to be a fun interview.
Then Damian Woody came on from the Jets and Woody was a lot more casual and it turned out to be a fun interview.
QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Nov 20 2009, 09:37 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2692766
I think it was URI that summed up Fred's interviewing skills and they were put on full display this morning. Fred tried to interview Ortiz and Ortiz wasn't really playing along and the interview sucked, even when he started joking around about Papelbon and pornography in the clubhouse.
Then Damian Woody came on from the Jets and Woody was a lot more casual and it turned out to be a fun interview.
I think part of the Ortiz issue was Ortiz barely seemed like he was paying attention.
I think it was URI that summed up Fred's interviewing skills and they were put on full display this morning. Fred tried to interview Ortiz and Ortiz wasn't really playing along and the interview sucked, even when he started joking around about Papelbon and pornography in the clubhouse.
Then Damian Woody came on from the Jets and Woody was a lot more casual and it turned out to be a fun interview.
I think part of the Ortiz issue was Ortiz barely seemed like he was paying attention.
QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Nov 20 2009, 09:37 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2692766
I think it was URI that summed up Fred's interviewing skills and they were put on full display this morning. Fred tried to interview Ortiz and Ortiz wasn't really playing along and the interview sucked, even when he started joking around about Papelbon and pornography in the clubhouse.
Then Damian Woody came on from the Jets and Woody was a lot more casual and it turned out to be a fun interview.
I thought that the Damien Woody interview was very good. When Fred thought Woody wasn't going to call, he dismissed it saying that he wouldn't have said anything interesting anyways. After it was over, Fred did call himself out and said it was much more enjoyable and interesting than he would have guessed, and that he was wrong beforehand.
I think it was URI that summed up Fred's interviewing skills and they were put on full display this morning. Fred tried to interview Ortiz and Ortiz wasn't really playing along and the interview sucked, even when he started joking around about Papelbon and pornography in the clubhouse.
Then Damian Woody came on from the Jets and Woody was a lot more casual and it turned out to be a fun interview.
I thought that the Damien Woody interview was very good. When Fred thought Woody wasn't going to call, he dismissed it saying that he wouldn't have said anything interesting anyways. After it was over, Fred did call himself out and said it was much more enjoyable and interesting than he would have guessed, and that he was wrong beforehand.
Seemed to be quite a testy show this morning between the T & R & Crash. I only listened for about 45 minutes between 7:15 and 8 but there was a point during the Male Bag at about 7:25 where the second Male Bag was:
MB "Fred, what kind of chewing gum do you chew?"
Dead silence for about 10 seconds, I thought there something was time delayed because it shouldn't have gone through
Crash or Rich: "Fred are you OK" snicker
Toucher: (pissed) We'll discuss it later
Or something along those lines. Did I miss something is this one of those inside jokes?
I don't know weird show this morning.
edit: And there is absolutely no love lost between Felger and Toucher. I think Toucher legitimately dislikes Felger on both a personal and professional level (certainly on a professional level).
MB "Fred, what kind of chewing gum do you chew?"
Dead silence for about 10 seconds, I thought there something was time delayed because it shouldn't have gone through
Crash or Rich: "Fred are you OK" snicker
Toucher: (pissed) We'll discuss it later
Or something along those lines. Did I miss something is this one of those inside jokes?
I don't know weird show this morning.
edit: And there is absolutely no love lost between Felger and Toucher. I think Toucher legitimately dislikes Felger on both a personal and professional level (certainly on a professional level).
Honestly HB, I think something was going wrong on the board and Fred was trying to sort through it. It sounded like he was distracted an trying to get something to work (as a drop had just cut out) and didn't feel like explaining it on air.
Just a guess, but that was my assumption when it happened.
Just a guess, but that was my assumption when it happened.
QUOTE (The Four Peters @ Nov 24 2009, 11:00 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2698465
Honestly HB, I think something was going wrong on the board and Fred was trying to sort through it. It sounded like he was distracted an trying to get something to work (as a drop had just cut out) and didn't feel like explaining it on air.
Just a guess, but that was my assumption when it happened.
That'd be my guess as well, they've been having a nightmarish time with the boards the last few shows.
Also, the Gruden game is just fantastic. One of their all-time best bits.
Honestly HB, I think something was going wrong on the board and Fred was trying to sort through it. It sounded like he was distracted an trying to get something to work (as a drop had just cut out) and didn't feel like explaining it on air.
Just a guess, but that was my assumption when it happened.
That'd be my guess as well, they've been having a nightmarish time with the boards the last few shows.
Also, the Gruden game is just fantastic. One of their all-time best bits.
QUOTE (The Four Peters @ Nov 24 2009, 11:00 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2698465
Honestly HB, I think something was going wrong on the board and Fred was trying to sort through it. It sounded like he was distracted an trying to get something to work (as a drop had just cut out) and didn't feel like explaining it on air.
Just a guess, but that was my assumption when it happened.
Cool, thanks. That makes sense.
I thought maybe I had missed something and the Gum Chewing Male Bag comment was from some stalker or some inside joke that flustered Fred.
Honestly HB, I think something was going wrong on the board and Fred was trying to sort through it. It sounded like he was distracted an trying to get something to work (as a drop had just cut out) and didn't feel like explaining it on air.
Just a guess, but that was my assumption when it happened.
Cool, thanks. That makes sense.
I thought maybe I had missed something and the Gum Chewing Male Bag comment was from some stalker or some inside joke that flustered Fred.
Go back and listen to, I think, Wednesday's show. The Tanguay Raps bits were all recorded for a bit that played off Gary beatboxing on his own show. I think the "Tanguay flips out" stuff from a few weeks ago marked the death of sports-robot Tanguay and the genesis of something... well, something different. T&R have really been rubbing off on him.
QUOTE (ilya678 @ Dec 2 2009, 07:25 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2709685
In the 9 o'clock hour they had Wallach reading from a fake promo. Podcast it, one of the funniest bits they've done to date.
Yeah, that's absolutely outstanding. Thanks for the heads up.
Reminds me of some of the old audio of Intern Nick reading audio copy. "We have the best ball pit in the New England." Ahh, the days.
In the 9 o'clock hour they had Wallach reading from a fake promo. Podcast it, one of the funniest bits they've done to date.
Yeah, that's absolutely outstanding. Thanks for the heads up.
Reminds me of some of the old audio of Intern Nick reading audio copy. "We have the best ball pit in the New England." Ahh, the days.
That Theo Fleury "interview" is what makes them great. When they started recounting all of their other great moments I had forgotten how many people they screwed with or just hung up on because the person was either an asshole (Jonah Hill) or just of no interest to the show (Troy Aikman).
QUOTE (The Four Peters @ Dec 3 2009, 10:46 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710499
Wait, it actually happened? What went down?
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They were about to bring him on and Fred asked, "Ok, raise your hand if you want to do Rich's idea," and I guess everyone did. So they brought him up, Fred said Mr. Theo Fleury, hello, and as soon as Theo said hello back Fred just said "Goodbye," and hung up on him. It was a perfect ending to this three week saga.
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They were about to bring him on and Fred asked, "Ok, raise your hand if you want to do Rich's idea," and I guess everyone did. So they brought him up, Fred said Mr. Theo Fleury, hello, and as soon as Theo said hello back Fred just said "Goodbye," and hung up on him. It was a perfect ending to this three week saga.
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When they started recounting all of their other great moments I had forgotten how many people they screwed with or just hung up on because the person was either an asshole (Jonah Hill) or just of no interest to the show (Troy Aikman).
They ended up mending fences with Jonah Hill the following day. I think that there was a legit reason for why the interview didn't go well, and T&R had him on and he explained his side of the story, which they accepted.
I can't remember what it was though. I believe Hill was doing press for "Superbad".
No idea about Aikman.
When they started recounting all of their other great moments I had forgotten how many people they screwed with or just hung up on because the person was either an asshole (Jonah Hill) or just of no interest to the show (Troy Aikman).
They ended up mending fences with Jonah Hill the following day. I think that there was a legit reason for why the interview didn't go well, and T&R had him on and he explained his side of the story, which they accepted.
I can't remember what it was though. I believe Hill was doing press for "Superbad".
No idea about Aikman.
QUOTE (John Marzano Olympic Hero @ Dec 3 2009, 11:44 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710594
They ended up mending fences with Jonah Hill the following day. I think that there was a legit reason for why the interview didn't go well, and T&R had him on and he explained his side of the story, which they accepted.
I can't remember what it was though. I believe Hill was doing press for "Superbad".
No idea about Aikman.
They brought up Hill today and Fred said they had a legitimate gripe with him over the fact that he refused to discuss any other movie except Superbad.
Aikman was the one when they realized they had nothing to talk to him about, so they decided to screw with him and see who could curse the most over the course of the interview. Aikman seemed to take it pretty well and find and didn't come across like an asshole at all, it seemed like he was more confused than anything else.
They ended up mending fences with Jonah Hill the following day. I think that there was a legit reason for why the interview didn't go well, and T&R had him on and he explained his side of the story, which they accepted.
I can't remember what it was though. I believe Hill was doing press for "Superbad".
No idea about Aikman.
They brought up Hill today and Fred said they had a legitimate gripe with him over the fact that he refused to discuss any other movie except Superbad.
Aikman was the one when they realized they had nothing to talk to him about, so they decided to screw with him and see who could curse the most over the course of the interview. Aikman seemed to take it pretty well and find and didn't come across like an asshole at all, it seemed like he was more confused than anything else.
QUOTE (BS_SoxFan @ Dec 3 2009, 12:01 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710618
Aikman was the one when they realized they had nothing to talk to him about, so they decided to screw with him and see who could curse the most over the course of the interview. Aikman seemed to take it pretty well and find and didn't come across like an asshole at all, it seemed like he was more confused than anything else.
He probably thought they were flirting with him.
Aikman was the one when they realized they had nothing to talk to him about, so they decided to screw with him and see who could curse the most over the course of the interview. Aikman seemed to take it pretty well and find and didn't come across like an asshole at all, it seemed like he was more confused than anything else.
He probably thought they were flirting with him.
QUOTE (Gambler7 @ Dec 3 2009, 11:09 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710531
I have fallen in love with this show. That was amazing with Fleury this morning. Plus the Wallach bit.
Edit: Think it may be time to change this thread title considering their work and ratings recently...
Fixed the title.
What's the Theo Fleury backstory? I thought they were all excited to speak to him a few weeks ago about his book. Did he just never call in? I know they got super pissed at the "Pocket Money" guy because HE asked to call into the show and was always late.
I have fallen in love with this show. That was amazing with Fleury this morning. Plus the Wallach bit.
Edit: Think it may be time to change this thread title considering their work and ratings recently...
Fixed the title.
What's the Theo Fleury backstory? I thought they were all excited to speak to him a few weeks ago about his book. Did he just never call in? I know they got super pissed at the "Pocket Money" guy because HE asked to call into the show and was always late.
QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Dec 3 2009, 12:21 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710647
Fixed the title.
What's the Theo Fleury backstory? I thought they were all excited to speak to him a few weeks ago about his book. Did he just never call in? I know they got super pissed at the "Pocket Money" guy because HE asked to call into the show and was always late.
Fred was super-excited at first to talk to him. Unfortunately, Fleury blew them off about 5-6 times, and it turned into a running joke on the show. I honestly thought it was just a gag now, and they were promoting it without any intention of actually having him come on. The fact that they ended up doing this prank is even better.
Fixed the title.
What's the Theo Fleury backstory? I thought they were all excited to speak to him a few weeks ago about his book. Did he just never call in? I know they got super pissed at the "Pocket Money" guy because HE asked to call into the show and was always late.
Fred was super-excited at first to talk to him. Unfortunately, Fleury blew them off about 5-6 times, and it turned into a running joke on the show. I honestly thought it was just a gag now, and they were promoting it without any intention of actually having him come on. The fact that they ended up doing this prank is even better.
I just listened to the Wallach bit. Just tremendous. I don't know which was funnier, the dry read with the guys laughing in the background or the fully produced version with all the effects.
Wallach was a great sport about it too which really makes it all work.
Wallach was a great sport about it too which really makes it all work.
QUOTE (URISoxFan @ Dec 3 2009, 02:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710822
I think I said this up thread, but I knew that T&R was going to be a success when they gave Jon Wallach a personality.
I agree 100%. The dynamic between him and the other guys makes the show really work. And Jon is also there to ask better "sports" questions when they have guests on. He plays the 'sports nerd' part very well on the show.
I've actually stopped listening to Howard Stern lately just to listen to T&R.
I think I said this up thread, but I knew that T&R was going to be a success when they gave Jon Wallach a personality.
I agree 100%. The dynamic between him and the other guys makes the show really work. And Jon is also there to ask better "sports" questions when they have guests on. He plays the 'sports nerd' part very well on the show.
I've actually stopped listening to Howard Stern lately just to listen to T&R.
QUOTE (TheRealness @ Dec 3 2009, 02:25 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710835
I've actually stopped listening to Howard Stern lately just to listen to T&R.
I'm with you on the switchover, I used to go about 50/50 between them and the sandbox but now it's pretty much them all the time. I think one of the biggest reasons for the success they have had is the ability to not beat topics into the ground. For example the 4&2 call gave them about a day and a half worth of discussion, everyone else talked about it for what seemed was most of the week.
I've actually stopped listening to Howard Stern lately just to listen to T&R.
I'm with you on the switchover, I used to go about 50/50 between them and the sandbox but now it's pretty much them all the time. I think one of the biggest reasons for the success they have had is the ability to not beat topics into the ground. For example the 4&2 call gave them about a day and a half worth of discussion, everyone else talked about it for what seemed was most of the week.
QUOTE (ilya678 @ Dec 2 2009, 07:25 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2709685
In the 9 o'clock hour they had Wallach reading from a fake promo. Podcast it, one of the funniest bits they've done to date.
Around what time is this on the podcast?
In the 9 o'clock hour they had Wallach reading from a fake promo. Podcast it, one of the funniest bits they've done to date.
Around what time is this on the podcast?
QUOTE (weeba @ Dec 3 2009, 03:27 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710919
Around what time is this on the podcast?
About halfway through the Hour 4 podcast.
Around what time is this on the podcast?
About halfway through the Hour 4 podcast.
QUOTE (The Four Peters @ Dec 3 2009, 03:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710922
About halfway through the Hour 4 podcast.
Found it. 25.16 into the podcast
About halfway through the Hour 4 podcast.
Found it. 25.16 into the podcast
QUOTE (URISoxFan @ Dec 3 2009, 02:20 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710822
I think I said this up thread, but I knew that T&R was going to be a success when they gave Jon Wallach a personality.
I worried about his integration at first especially since it seemed to come at the expense of Crash and Rich, and I was concerned it could've lead to a split and/or breakup of the show. After hearing the fake ad though, there is no doubt in my mind that at least Rich really likes having him around and that this dynamic is really working for Fred, Rich, and Wallach. It won't surprise me in the least to see Crash leave, though, which is a damn shame because he was so good when the show was on WBCN but he's been reduced to an almost Adolpho-esque role at this point.
I think I said this up thread, but I knew that T&R was going to be a success when they gave Jon Wallach a personality.
I worried about his integration at first especially since it seemed to come at the expense of Crash and Rich, and I was concerned it could've lead to a split and/or breakup of the show. After hearing the fake ad though, there is no doubt in my mind that at least Rich really likes having him around and that this dynamic is really working for Fred, Rich, and Wallach. It won't surprise me in the least to see Crash leave, though, which is a damn shame because he was so good when the show was on WBCN but he's been reduced to an almost Adolpho-esque role at this point.
WRT Crash, at some point lauging at a mid 40 something alcoholic that likes to leer at women stops being funny and just starts being sad. I don't think it has reached that point yet but it's possible that it's getting close.
QUOTE (weeba @ Dec 3 2009, 03:27 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2710919
Around what time is this on the podcast?
It's also under the "Highlights" section.
Around what time is this on the podcast?
It's also under the "Highlights" section.
I used to listen every day, and I still listen some....but man they seem to talk a lot of hockey, at least in the time I'm in the car. I know for a lot of people that's good, and they seem to be more natural hockey fans (at least Fred does) than other sports....but I just am not a hockey guy personally.
It does seem like they are going to make it, which is good.
It does seem like they are going to make it, which is good.
Never heard this segment before, but the dating profiles had me in tears. One kid introduced himself by saying that he "liked comic books, because they're easy to finish in half an hour."
Tiffany, the last girl to go on Dating on Demand, was laugh out loud funny. There's no way I could attempt to describe her and why it was so funny, so go to the podcast (8 o'clock hour, around 8:30-ish) and listen to it. All-time classic for me.
Also, I never really get to hear the Scal interviews because I am usually at work by then. Thanks to the snowstorm in our wonderful Commonwealth, I was still in my car so I was able to catch most of it today. It's absolutely must-listen radio, and actually surpasses the Aaron Ward interviews of last year, which I thought were outstanding.
Also, I never really get to hear the Scal interviews because I am usually at work by then. Thanks to the snowstorm in our wonderful Commonwealth, I was still in my car so I was able to catch most of it today. It's absolutely must-listen radio, and actually surpasses the Aaron Ward interviews of last year, which I thought were outstanding.
One lesson from today is that these guys absolutely do not know a god damned thing about baseball. That will make them tough to take during peak baseball news times. When I consider Meter to be the foremost baseball analyst in morning radio in Boston, that pretty much sums up the story.
QUOTE (smastroyin @ Dec 10 2009, 07:32 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2722576
One lesson from today is that these guys absolutely do not know a god damned thing about baseball. That will make them tough to take during peak baseball news times. When I consider Meter to be the foremost baseball analyst in morning radio in Boston, that pretty much sums up the story.
What did they say? Yesterday, Fred was pretty good in breaking down the Granderson trade.
One lesson from today is that these guys absolutely do not know a god damned thing about baseball. That will make them tough to take during peak baseball news times. When I consider Meter to be the foremost baseball analyst in morning radio in Boston, that pretty much sums up the story.
What did they say? Yesterday, Fred was pretty good in breaking down the Granderson trade.
QUOTE (smastroyin @ Dec 10 2009, 07:32 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2722576
One lesson from today is that these guys absolutely do not know a god damned thing about baseball. That will make them tough to take during peak baseball news times. When I consider Meter to be the foremost baseball analyst in morning radio in Boston, that pretty much sums up the story.
I didn't hear it, what did they say?
I would assume that this is exactly why CBS brought in Wallach.
One lesson from today is that these guys absolutely do not know a god damned thing about baseball. That will make them tough to take during peak baseball news times. When I consider Meter to be the foremost baseball analyst in morning radio in Boston, that pretty much sums up the story.
I didn't hear it, what did they say?
I would assume that this is exactly why CBS brought in Wallach.
QUOTE (HomeBrew1901 @ Dec 10 2009, 07:52 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2722591
I didn't hear it, what did they say?
I would assume that this is exactly why CBS brought in Wallach.
They were talking about how Bay was unlikely to come back, then Rich brought up Holliday and they all laughed. The conversation was, essentially:
"Oh, another Boras client, and here is a team that completely missed on another Boras outfielder." (implying Drew of course)
"Do you really want two Boras clients as your corner outfielders?"
"And can you imagine what kind of shape Ellsbury would be between those guys?"
"Haha his tongue qould be hanging out making up for their lousy defense."
"But at least Ellsbury is the guy you want playing between those two stiffs."
OK, so nevermind that Bay was one of the worst defensive LF in the league, that Holliday is thought to be much better, and that Drew was by most accounts spectacular as a defensive player in 09, throw in a little overrating of Ellsbury, and top it off with evaluating players based on the fact that they are represented by Boras.
I get that a lot of average baseball fans think Drew's contract makes him a bad player (I did not misspeak, I really think that is how people make the evaluation), I just wish at least one guy could point out that he's not as bad as they were saying. And, I also get that people don't really understand defense, but anyone who watched more than the sportscenter highlights of the Red Sox should be able to tell that Bay was not very good. Implying that going from Bay to Holliday is a huge defensive donwgrade was too much for me.
They also talked like the intention of the Lowell deal was to have VMart play 1B and have Ramirez and Varitek catch while Youks moves to third. Wallach mentioned Beltre and they scoffed at his HR totals.
Full disclosure, after the defense thing I switched to my ipod, so they may have been stirring the pot and then brought in better analysis later.
I didn't hear it, what did they say?
I would assume that this is exactly why CBS brought in Wallach.
They were talking about how Bay was unlikely to come back, then Rich brought up Holliday and they all laughed. The conversation was, essentially:
"Oh, another Boras client, and here is a team that completely missed on another Boras outfielder." (implying Drew of course)
"Do you really want two Boras clients as your corner outfielders?"
"And can you imagine what kind of shape Ellsbury would be between those guys?"
"Haha his tongue qould be hanging out making up for their lousy defense."
"But at least Ellsbury is the guy you want playing between those two stiffs."
OK, so nevermind that Bay was one of the worst defensive LF in the league, that Holliday is thought to be much better, and that Drew was by most accounts spectacular as a defensive player in 09, throw in a little overrating of Ellsbury, and top it off with evaluating players based on the fact that they are represented by Boras.
I get that a lot of average baseball fans think Drew's contract makes him a bad player (I did not misspeak, I really think that is how people make the evaluation), I just wish at least one guy could point out that he's not as bad as they were saying. And, I also get that people don't really understand defense, but anyone who watched more than the sportscenter highlights of the Red Sox should be able to tell that Bay was not very good. Implying that going from Bay to Holliday is a huge defensive donwgrade was too much for me.
They also talked like the intention of the Lowell deal was to have VMart play 1B and have Ramirez and Varitek catch while Youks moves to third. Wallach mentioned Beltre and they scoffed at his HR totals.
Full disclosure, after the defense thing I switched to my ipod, so they may have been stirring the pot and then brought in better analysis later.
QUOTE (smastroyin @ Dec 10 2009, 07:59 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=2722596
They were talking about how Bay was unlikely to come back, then Rich brought up Holliday and they all laughed. The conversation was, essentially:
"Oh, another Boras client, and here is a team that completely missed on another Boras outfielder." (implying Drew of course)
"Do you really want two Boras clients as your corner outfielders?"
"And can you imagine what kind of shape Ellsbury would be between those guys?"
"Haha his tongue qould be hanging out making up for their lousy defense."
"But at least Ellsbury is the guy you want playing between those two stiffs."
OK, so nevermind that Bay was one of the worst defensive LF in the league, that Holliday is thought to be much better, and that Drew was by most accounts spectacular as a defensive player in 09, throw in a little overrating of Ellsbury, and top it off with evaluating players based on the fact that they are represented by Boras.
I get that a lot of average baseball fans think Drew's contract makes him a bad player (I did not misspeak, I really think that is how people make the evaluation), I just wish at least one guy could point out that he's not as bad as they were saying. And, I also get that people don't really understand defense, but anyone who watched more than the sportscenter highlights of the Red Sox should be able to tell that Bay was not very good. Implying that going from Bay to Holliday is a huge defensive donwgrade was too much for me.
They also talked like the intention of the Lowell deal was to have VMart play 1B and have Ramirez and Varitek catch while Youks moves to third. Wallach mentioned Beltre and they scoffed at his HR totals.
Full disclosure, after the defense thing I switched to my ipod, so they may have been stirring the pot and then brought in better analysis later.
Yeah...that's pretty standard. Fred is a Cardinals fan, and hates Holliday singularly based on his error in the playoffs.
Which also puts him firmly in the anti-Drew camp, being a Cardinals fan and having read Three Nights in August.
Baseball is probably their weakest sport, and Wallach doesn't make it a whole lot better. Unfortunately, things like the Granderson stuff yesterday are diamonds in shitmounds.
They were talking about how Bay was unlikely to come back, then Rich brought up Holliday and they all laughed. The conversation was, essentially:
"Oh, another Boras client, and here is a team that completely missed on another Boras outfielder." (implying Drew of course)
"Do you really want two Boras clients as your corner outfielders?"
"And can you imagine what kind of shape Ellsbury would be between those guys?"
"Haha his tongue qould be hanging out making up for their lousy defense."
"But at least Ellsbury is the guy you want playing between those two stiffs."
OK, so nevermind that Bay was one of the worst defensive LF in the league, that Holliday is thought to be much better, and that Drew was by most accounts spectacular as a defensive player in 09, throw in a little overrating of Ellsbury, and top it off with evaluating players based on the fact that they are represented by Boras.
I get that a lot of average baseball fans think Drew's contract makes him a bad player (I did not misspeak, I really think that is how people make the evaluation), I just wish at least one guy could point out that he's not as bad as they were saying. And, I also get that people don't really understand defense, but anyone who watched more than the sportscenter highlights of the Red Sox should be able to tell that Bay was not very good. Implying that going from Bay to Holliday is a huge defensive donwgrade was too much for me.
They also talked like the intention of the Lowell deal was to have VMart play 1B and have Ramirez and Varitek catch while Youks moves to third. Wallach mentioned Beltre and they scoffed at his HR totals.
Full disclosure, after the defense thing I switched to my ipod, so they may have been stirring the pot and then brought in better analysis later.
Yeah...that's pretty standard. Fred is a Cardinals fan, and hates Holliday singularly based on his error in the playoffs.
Which also puts him firmly in the anti-Drew camp, being a Cardinals fan and having read Three Nights in August.
Baseball is probably their weakest sport, and Wallach doesn't make it a whole lot better. Unfortunately, things like the Granderson stuff yesterday are diamonds in shitmounds.