I'm watching what some of these pieces are fetching and it's giving me the vapors.Bloom HAS to dangle Paxton, right? Maybe more?
I'm watching what some of these pieces are fetching and it's giving me the vapors.Bloom HAS to dangle Paxton, right? Maybe more?
Maybe for the Red Sox, but other teams have been very activeIt is me or does it seem quiet across the whole thing right now . no rumors not a lot of scuttle is seems with just over 2 hours left .... maybe just me but this day seems like NFL trade dead line activity
TRUE - just not seeing anything seems very odd , I just havnt watched the national threads so I don't curse lack of movement.Maybe for the Red Sox, but other teams have been very active
Yeah, at some point you do have to be willing to cash in some prospect capital to improve the major league team. Not saying Bloom won’t, be he has seemed somewhat reluctant to move prospects thus far (and perhaps rightfully so, for a variety of reasons).Have we really reached the point where giving up Chase Meidroth for a solid starter for the stretch run is seen as something Bloom wouldn't consider doing? Because if so I'm kinda worried.
Not saying I wanted the Red Sox to make that trade or that they are in position to do so, but that to me sound like an adequate price to pay, or at the very least nothing that the Phillies should be agonizing over.
Dombrowski's other massive blockbuster trade was similarly not very painful in retrospect.Even offseason deals involving legitimate can't miss prospects often don't turn out all that well for the team receiving the prospects.
Kopech and Moncada for Sale. Even with Sale's numerous injuries, Moncada has had only 2 good years out of 7, and Kopech is 14-23 with an ERA+ of 107.
Paulino and Meidroth are exactly the kinds of guys we should be at least willing to part with.Have we really reached the point where giving up Chase Meidroth for a solid starter for the stretch run is seen as something Bloom wouldn't consider doing? Because if so I'm kinda worried.
Not saying I wanted the Red Sox to make that trade or that they are in position to do so, but that to me sound like an adequate price to pay, or at the very least nothing that the Phillies should be agonizing over.
If they don't have Paxton (and Pivetta) out there just to take the temp, they're foolishI'm watching what some of these pieces are fetching and it's giving me the vapors.
6 p.m. easternIs the deadline 4 p.m.? If so, we have 16 minutes before the vultures come out to kill Chaim for not stripping the team down to its studs.
6 pm this year. I don't know why.Is the deadline 4 p.m.? If so, we have 16 minutes before the vultures come out to kill Chaim for not stripping the team down to its studs.
Yeah. And this is the first year he's had anything close to excess to cash in.Yeah, at some point you do have to be willing to cash in some prospect capital to improve the major league team. Not saying Bloom won’t, be he has seemed somewhat reluctant to move prospects thus far (and perhaps rightfully so, for a variety of reasons).
6pmIs the deadline 4 p.m.? If so, we have 16 minutes before the vultures come out to kill Chaim for not stripping the team down to its studs.
Which is the ONLY reason I'd consider trading Paxton and/or Pivetta.Everyone needs to remember that the Red Sox are soon getting back Chris Sale, Tanner Houck, Garrett Whitlock, and Trevor Story. No team in baseball is adding that much oomph to their major league roster. Nobody.
I wish people would stop saying things like this. It’s simply that WE don’t know what the plan is. Because, you know, they don’t tell us what they’re thinking.Starting to feel like the Sox don't have a plan
Stand pat can be a plan.Starting to feel like the Sox don't have a plan
Or they have a plan and they're following it to the letter. One or the other.Starting to feel like the Sox don't have a plan
100% Why buy into a seller's market? Dodgers look smart getting ahead of this curve last week.If they don't have Paxton (and Pivetta) out there just to take the temp, they're foolish
6pm and no one should be upset with Chaim based on what I've seenIs the deadline 4 p.m.? If so, we have 16 minutes before the vultures come out to kill Chaim for not stripping the team down to its studs.
I think the plan was to get something good but cheap. When the prices got too high, he decided to sit back and wait for the deliveries coming in next week.Starting to feel like the Sox don't have a plan
They probably would... but don't really see a role for the Michael Lorenzen's of the world on this team (7.1 k/9, 4.21 xFIP).Paulino and Meidroth are exactly the kinds of guys we should be at least willing to part with.
It's not that he doesn't have a plan, it's that he has an entire architectural drawing set and is awaiting permit approval.Red Sox Stats on Twitter said:Robert Murray says there continues to be a lot of interest in Duvall, it's possible teams could pivot to Paxton and offer a package they can't refuse, and he's heard Bloom has been creative in trade talks.
Someone else has me on ignoreEveryone needs to remember that the Red Sox are soon getting back Chris Sale, Tanner Houck, Garrett Whitlock, and Trevor Story. No team in baseball is adding that much oomph to their major league roster. Nobody.
And then flip Abel and Rafaela for Cease?These prices are so ridiculous, I think you have to seriously consider trading Paxton. Paxton and Duvall for Mick Abel?
The issue is that no one has any idea about the effectiveness or durability going forward for any of these players. That's the inherent problem with "trading" for players coming off the IL: most of them haven't played in so long no one has an idea of their possible impact.Everyone needs to remember that the Red Sox are soon getting back Chris Sale, Tanner Houck, Garrett Whitlock, and Trevor Story. No team in baseball is adding that much oomph to their major league roster. Nobody.
why would the Phillies trade for Paxton, though? Aren’t they all set with Wheeler-Nola-Walker-Suarez-Lorenzen?And then flip Abel and Rafaela for Cease?
The Phillies have the best rotation in the game (by fWAR) before trading for Lorenzen. This deal would excite me of course but I'm skeptical.These prices are so ridiculous, I think you have to seriously consider trading Paxton. Paxton and Duvall for Mick Abel?
I HATE this argument. Sale is another injury waiting to happen, Whitlock can't stay healthy, and Houck is a two pitch pitcher. Story is a great addition, but anything he does is a bonus because that position has been putrid this season. Getting a starting pitcher and putting all three of those guys in the bullpen would get rid of a lot of garbage this team keeps putting on the mound.Everyone needs to remember that the Red Sox are soon getting back Chris Sale, Tanner Houck, Garrett Whitlock, and Trevor Story. No team in baseball is adding that much oomph to their major league roster. Nobody.
I think you probably come out in the middle actually -- yes, there's a chance that they all break down again (or don't actually make it back at all) and you're out of luck. OTOH, there's probably a decent chance that at least two of them end up contributing and that's certainly about as good as they can get in this crazy market.I HATE this argument. Sale is another injury waiting to happen, Whitlock can't stay healthy, and Houck is a two pitch pitcher. Story is a great addition, but anything he does is a bonus because that position has been putrid this season. Getting a starting pitcher and putting all three of those guys in the bullpen would get rid of a lot of garbage this team keeps putting on the mound.
Oh man, if it's just Meidroth, we should go for it - but Meidroth isn't our #7, he's like our #15, and he's my binky! And even I would be willing to part with him.Have we really reached the point where giving up Chase Meidroth for a solid starter for the stretch run is seen as something Bloom wouldn't consider doing? Because if so I'm kinda worried.
Not saying I wanted the Red Sox to make that trade or that they are in position to do so, but that to me sound like an adequate price to pay, or at the very least nothing that the Phillies should be agonizing over.
This seems a little silly to me. No one has any idea? You're saying you can't forecast their performance or durability at all? Are you saying that Houck getting hit in the face mean he's guaranteed to get hit in the face again? That the various videos of Story handling tough plays at SS down in the minors mean nothing?The issue is that no one has any idea about the effectiveness or durability going forward for any of these players. That's the inherent problem with "trading" for players coming off the IL: most of them haven't played in so long no one has an idea of their possible impact.
Story hasn't played at all this year and didn't play much last year; how good will he really be at shortstop? No one knows. Sale hasn't pitched in months and is coming off an elbow problem. Same for Whitlock. Houck got hit in the face, will that affect his pitching? No one knows.
At least if you trade for players on current MLB rosters you have an idea of how they've done lately. With these guys, you don't.
What does this mean, he's a bonus? He's not a bonus, he's a guy who's been a 2.5 win player or better for his career, and was worth 2.5 wins in 2/3rds of a season the other year. He'd probably be the Red Sox second most valuable player going forward if he's healthy, and there's no reason right now to think that he isn't. The fact that the position has been so putrid is exactly why it's so important to be getting him back! I feel like I'm going crazy.I HATE this argument. Sale is another injury waiting to happen, Whitlock can't stay healthy, and Houck is a two pitch pitcher. Story is a great addition, but anything he does is a bonus because that position has been putrid this season. Getting a starting pitcher and putting all three of those guys in the bullpen would get rid of a lot of garbage this team keeps putting on the mound.
It’s not an argument. It’s just stating a fact.I HATE this argument. Sale is another injury waiting to happen, Whitlock can't stay healthy, and Houck is a two pitch pitcher. Story is a great addition, but anything he does is a bonus because that position has been putrid this season. Getting a starting pitcher and putting all three of those guys in the bullpen would get rid of a lot of garbage this team keeps putting on the mound.
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It's not that he doesn't have a plan, it's that he has an entire architectural drawing set and is awaiting permit approval.
Giants could get a hefty sum for BartHeck, let's see what we can get for Alfaro LOL
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/08/rays-rangers-diamondbacks-interested-in-catchers.html
Good lord, they guy they are touting as a trade prospect is hitting even worse than Aquaman.Heck, let's see what we can get for Alfaro LOL
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/08/rays-rangers-diamondbacks-interested-in-catchers.html
Maybe Bichette.Who is replacing Bichette and Romano for the Jays?
And what do you think standing Pat will do to that clubhouse that’s openly advocated recently for an acquisition? Is there not also a risk of losing the clubhouse if nothing is done?Bloom’s M.O. is that he’s in on everyone and looking for value. Much different than his predecessor who was laser focused on a target and would get him quickly. I’m guessing that the Sox end up doing very little; if asking prices are high it’s going to be challenging to find value, and I think selling only runs the risk of losing the clubhouse before a pivotal series.
yeah, just saw on Twitter that they're at least listening on himGiants could get a hefty sum for Bart
A provocative question posed by @DisgruntledSoxFan77And what do you think standing Pat will do to that clubhouse that’s openly advocated recently for an acquisition? Is there not also a risk of losing the clubhouse if nothing is done?