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That sounds like a great deal for Texas, and they should be all over it. I would bet that happens.

Hell, maybe we should see if we could scoop up Nate Lowe (and his .242/.360/.408 line vs. RHP) as a platoon partner for Dalbec. He's been getting most of the 1B PAs for Texas.
 

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I'm not so sure the Red Sox will pay Xander 30 million a year, which is what I think he will ask for and probably get (should he get much less than Lindor?). And there is no guarantee any of those prospects will be good major leaguers ... Plus Sale has an opt out and Eovaldi's contract is up. And Erod. So, I guess I mean all of those guys ...
The Sox have all the dead money coming off the books and have taken pains to reset the luxury tax. Xander is pretty much the face of the franchise. Assuming health and continued production, I see no reason they won’t do what’s necessary to lock him up at market rate.

Sale and Eovaldi are both signed to big contracts. If they’re not here in 2023, the Sox will have replaced them with other good pitchers who make a lot of money.

Are our prospects not guaranteed to become major league contributors? Sure, but that just makes them prospects like the ones in every other organization.

I bring all this up only because I don’t understand the GFIN mentality. There is every reason to believe that the Sox are in most capable hands, and that the success we’ve seen this year is just the beginning of the good things to come.
 

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The Sox have all the dead money coming off the books and have taken pains to reset the luxury tax. Xander is pretty much the face of the franchise. Assuming health and continued production, I see no reason they won’t do what’s necessary to lock him up at market rate.

Sale and Eovaldi are both signed to big contracts. If they’re not here in 2023, the Sox will have replaced them with other good pitchers who make a lot of money.

Are our prospects not guaranteed to become major league contributors? Sure, but that just makes them prospects like the ones in every other organization.

I bring all this up only because I don’t understand the GFIN mentality. There is every reason to believe that the Sox are in most capable hands, and that the success we’ve seen this year is just the beginning of the good things to come.
Everyone's MMV when it comes to the description of GFIN. It doesn't necessarily need to be at any cost, but when you find yourself in a very good position near the deadline there is no guarantee that opportunity presents again before the window on certain players begins to close. If you have needs that can be reasonably addressed in a way that might stray a bit from your vision, but doesn't totally undo the ground work being laid for future success I think there is an obligation to GFIN.
 

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It’ll be very disappointing if that is ‘the’ move. Especially with all the talent available.
It just reminds me a lot of the Doug Mientkiewicz situation, although this time with a GM even more inclined to make an underwhelming addition vs a big time one.

Give me a 1B upgrade of ANY kind, a bottom end of the rotation starter so we can send Richards to Siberia, and some bullpen depth, and I am good to go. And I believe that can be attained without putting a significant dent into Bloom's future plans.
 

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Everyone's MMV when it comes to the description of GFIN. It doesn't necessarily need to be at any cost, but when you find yourself in a very good position near the deadline there is no guarantee that opportunity presents again before the window on certain players begins to close. If you have needs that can be reasonably addressed in a way that might stray a bit from your vision, but doesn't totally undo the ground work being laid for future success I think there is an obligation to GFIN.
This is a fair point. I was responding to the contention made in a previous post that this year represents the closing of a window for the Sox because we’ll lose our core after this season and the 2022 season. I don’t believe that’s true.
 

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It’ll be very disappointing if that is ‘the’ move. Especially with all the talent available.
Especially disappointing because Cron is about to go on the disabled list (which is why I don’t think this will happen).
 

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It just reminds me a lot of the Doug Mientkiewicz situation, although this time with a GM even more inclined to make an underwhelming addition vs a big time one.

Give me a 1B upgrade of ANY kind, a bottom end of the rotation starter so we can send Richards to Siberia, and some bullpen depth, and I am good to go. And I believe that can be attained without putting a significant dent into Bloom's future plans.
I always try to remember that the biggest headline name involved in a Red Sox deadline deal during a championship season went the other way (Nomar). I don't think that's the reason they won, but getting the biggest name on the market doesn't really guarantee success. Sometimes it's the underwhelming acquisition that wins the World Series MVP.
 

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Everyone's MMV when it comes to the description of GFIN. It doesn't necessarily need to be at any cost, but when you find yourself in a very good position near the deadline there is no guarantee that opportunity presents again before the window on certain players begins to close. If you have needs that can be reasonably addressed in a way that might stray a bit from your vision, but doesn't totally undo the ground work being laid for future success I think there is an obligation to GFIN.
Yes, and I think Henry appreciates these rare opportunities. This group needs to be rewarded for the tremendous overachieving they have put forth thus far.
 

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This article says Chafin return is the standard the Cubs want for Rizzo (one top 10 prospy and one top 20 from a weak organization). Seems fine to me. I don't have any interest in losing a top-100 overall prospy for Kimbrel.
 

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A Nats beat writer says they’d want “at least two (of a team’s) top-30 prospects” for Scherzer in this afternoon’s piece in the Athletic. For those without subs, she writes that the Nats would want “a young catcher” and “a starting pitcher — major-league-ready prospect or established with an additional year or two of control.”

Our beat writer (McCaffrey) suggests Ronaldo Hernandez and Winckowski or LHP Chris Murphy, which doesn't seem like a package that would upset people. Again, the destination seems mostly up to Scherzer, so the “bidding war” could be a little more of a charade than typical deals.
 

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A Nats beat writer says they’d want “at least two (of a team’s) top-30 prospects” for Scherzer in this afternoon’s piece in the Athletic. For those without subs, she writes that the Nats would want “a young catcher” and “a starting pitcher — major-league-ready prospect or established with an additional year or two of control.”

Our beat writer (McCaffrey) suggests Ronaldo Hernandez and Winckowski or LHP Chris Murphy, which doesn't seem like a package that would upset people. Again, the destination seems mostly up to Scherzer, so the “bidding war” could be a little more of a charade than typical deals.
That offer sounds far more appropriate for a reliever or 1B than the top pitcher on the market. Maybe they work as the 3rd and 4th players in a deal.
 

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Twitter seems to think Gallo went to NYY for Dominguez and I'm not sure how I feel about that as a Red Sox fan.
 

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I doubt it’s Dominguez. Probably Florial and Peraza or something like that.
 

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I’m having trouble figuring out why Gallo is even being moved. Cheap, good talent on a rebuilding team.
The Rangers are god awful with no elite prospects. Getting 6 prospects in this deal signals that they are trying to build up some depth. That team doesn't have a chance to be competitive until like 2025. It is a collection of scrubs then Joey Gallo.
 

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The Rangers are getting quantity, definitely. Let's see how much quality.
 

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I’m having trouble figuring out why Gallo is even being moved. Cheap, good talent on a rebuilding team.
Only another year of control though. Not that I couldn’t see him as their next albatross mega-contract.

Not wild about a hitter as good as Gallo heading there but there’s something a little desperate about this. Curious to see the other five prospects.
 

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Not wild about a hitter as good as Gallo heading there but there’s something a little desperate about this. Curious to see the other five prospects.
I don't totally disagree but I've been saying for a while that NY needs to thin out their depth, clearly that's what they've done this week, 10 guys for 3 in 3 deals.
 

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Per Fangraphs list of NY prospects in February, thats #4, #8, and #29..with 3 more to go. Guessing in the teens and 20s
 

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What am I missing here? Great great power but he’s a career.211 hitter who strikes out once every 2 1/2 at bats. I don’t get why this is going to suddenly make a lousy Yankees team a playoff team.
 

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What am I missing here? Great great power but he’s a career.211 hitter who strikes out once every 2 1/2 at bats. I don’t get why this is going to suddenly make a lousy Yankees team a playoff team.
It’s not. But he’s under control for 2022 and he’s a very good and versatile defender, fills a lineup need.
 

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Schmidt is the big get there. It’s actually pretty impressive the Rangers got 5 more guys beyond that. Guessing maybe the Rangers are trading a mid-level prospect of their own back?
 

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What am I missing here? Great great power but he’s a career.211 hitter who strikes out once every 2 1/2 at bats. I don’t get why this is going to suddenly make a lousy Yankees team a playoff team.
He’ll hit some bombs but come playoff time, if they’re even there, he seems like a guy who’ll get exploited by good pitching. Methinks Yankees need more contact hitters. They have plenty of power.