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It was a complete Yankee heist.

This is exactly how a team with their payroll should use those type of prospects. They saved all their elite ones. Tip of the hat.

Trust Chaim has something up his sleeve to give the team a mid-season boost.
 
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It was a complete Yankee heist.

This is exactly how a team with their payroll should use those type of prospects. They saved all their elite ones. Tip of the hat.

Trust Chaim has something up his sleeve to give the team a mid-season boost.
Agree. The Yankees clearly have minor league depth. The challenge is after 4 minor league seasons (age 19 signing) or 5 seasons(age 18 signing) the player must be added to the MLB 40 man roster or exposed to Rule 5 draft. Yankees current depth is a reason how Sox adeptly nabbed Whitlock.

As Bloom creates more depth across Sox prospects, the Red Sox will also face losing minor league players to Rule 5 draft. Trading a quantity of lower ranked prospects, rather than a highly ranked prospect(s) for a proven major league player, also avoids losing these lower ranked prospects to Rule 5 draft for virtually nothing.
 

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I understand the risks of over valuing a SSS and of recency bias, BUT .... does the emergence of Houck (he just keeps looking great at the ML level) change the equation here at the deadline? I mean, if you can get Scherzer you get him .... if not, maybe keeping building Houck's pitch count and keep him in the rotation; concentrate then on a reliever and a first baseman. It's quite possible the Sox could get both without relinquishing any of their top 8 prospects or so ...
 

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So much for Scherzer getting moved quickly today because they needed time to work out the no-trade clause or whatever. This bidding war is gonna go to the deadline isn’t it?
 

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So much for Scherzer getting moved quickly today because they needed time to work out the no-trade clause or whatever. This bidding war is gonna go to the deadline isn’t it?
We’re at the uncomfortable “it’s 3am and I know nothing will happen but I’m gonna check every 5 minutes anyway” period.
 

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I'm up at 3am in NH watching live table tennis waiting for RedOctober or SoxHop to make an appearance in this thread LOL
 

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It was a complete Yankee heist.

This is exactly how a team with their payroll should use those type of prospects. They saved all their elite ones. Tip of the hat.

Trust Chaim has something up his sleeve to give the team a mid-season boost.
The problem with this is Bloom has no track record running a big market team. Color me skeptical that he would make a similar sort of trade if it was made available. Im still in the camp that we’ll get CJ Cron and a middle reliever. I hope I’m wrong.
 

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The problem with this is Bloom has no track record running a big market team. Color me skeptical that he would make a similar sort of trade if it was made available. Im still in the camp that we’ll get CJ Cron and a middle reliever. I hope I’m wrong.
That's a fair criticism.

We can all agree that Bloom has found absurd value, numerous times, in a very short period.

So I'm willing to roll the dice on Chaim figuring out how to spend $$$/prospects when the time is right, like the Yankees just did.
 

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That's a fair criticism.

We can all agree that Bloom has found absurd value, numerous times, in a very short period.

So I'm willing to roll the dice on Chaim figuring out how to spend $$$/prospects when the time is right, like the Yankees just did.
For every Whitlock there is a Robert Stock (or two), for every Verdugo, a Franchy, and sometimes there's a Kevin Pillar signing and a subsequent trade for Jacob Wallace.

That said, the trade target will have an established track record; the only question is, how much do you pay for that?
 

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The problem with this is Bloom has no track record running a big market team. Color me skeptical that he would make a similar sort of trade if it was made available. Im still in the camp that we’ll get CJ Cron and a middle reliever. I hope I’m wrong.
This is the kind of deal you can make only after you have spent a few years investing in the minor leagues, creating redundancies throughout your system so you can trade away some good prospects and still be flush with many other good prospects. That is what allowed Cashman to swing a deal that the analysts say represented excellent value for the Rangers, and that the posters here say represented a heist because the Yankees didn't give up their best prospects. Which is to say that this is precisely the kind of deal that I think Bloom envisions making two years from now, when the Sox system is much deeper than it is today.

For what it's worth, Andrew Friedman, who served as a kind of mentor to Bloom, also had no track record of running a big market team before he was hired by the Dodgers. Since taking over in LA in 2014, he has created a blueprint for how to build and maintain a perpetually loaded farm system while competing each year for championships. My sense is that Bloom has been paying attention.
 

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Gallo trade seems like a good one for the Yankees. I'm guessing his value is suppressed somewhat by his injury history, although his performance this year has been excellent. I really didn't appreciate how good he's been (defensively) since moving to the outfield.
 

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I plan of taking the site down 1 minute at random intervals throughout the days to see how many people we can make poop their pants in anticipation of something big going on
 

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Rizzo and Cron, while an upgrade, would be uninspiring. The real target should be Bryant, who is the best hitter available and makes sure you never are forced to use Plawecki at first, Dalbec at third, or JD in the outfield.
 

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Rizzo and Cron, while an upgrade, would be uninspiring. The real target should be Bryant, who is the best hitter available and makes sure you never are forced to use Plawecki at first, Dalbec at third, or JD in the outfield.
It’s been really quiet the last few days on Bryant. My choice too.
 

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Gallo trade seems...fine for both teams?

Yankees attempt to not have the worst left-handed hitters in baseball & clear up some of their roster crunch.

Rangers gets a good haul of prospects for a good, but not great, player when they're an awful baseball team.

I would neither expect, nor want, Bloom to make a similar move. Well, maybe the reduced version where they send 4 borderline roster guys for Cron or whatever.
 

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Gallo trade seems...fine for both teams?

Yankees attempt to not have the worst left-handed hitters in baseball & clear up some of their roster crunch.

Rangers gets a good haul of prospects for a good, but not great, player when they're an awful baseball team.

I would neither expect, nor want, Bloom to make a similar move. Well, maybe the reduced version where they send 4 borderline roster guys for Cron or whatever.
Might be an outlier but he's got a 4.3 WAR, 869OPS, truly a stud defender with a cannon, OPS+ 138. What's the line between good, very good, and great?

Will he change the offense? I don't think he can do it alone. In recent Yankees fashion, I fully expect him to go on the IL a week after he gets here.
 

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For every Whitlock there is a Robert Stock (or two), for every Verdugo, a Franchy, and sometimes there's a Kevin Pillar signing and a subsequent trade for Jacob Wallace.

That said, the trade target will have an established track record; the only question is, how much do you pay for that?
His wins are large, his losses are small...asymmetric returns. YMMV
 

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It's gotta be totally different being a Yankees fan. When most teams are bad, including Boston, they are just bad. When the Yankees are bad, they don't hesitate to send out prospects like they are candy for a .223 power hitter who fills one of the ~4 holes in their lineup.

Wild.
 

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It's gotta be totally different being a Yankees fan. When most teams are bad, including Boston, they are just bad. When the Yankees are bad, they don't hesitate to send out prospects like they are candy for a .223 power hitter who fills one of the ~4 holes in their lineup.

Wild.
On the other hand, the MFY probably have the best O-line in the AL East.

Ground the mound,

or something like that.
 
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I'm expecting Rizzo plus a bullpen arm. I can't see Bloom trading any of our top prospects when the team is already really good and is adding Sale.
 

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It's gotta be totally different being a Yankees fan. When most teams are bad, including Boston, they are just bad. When the Yankees are bad, they don't hesitate to send out prospects like they are candy for a .223 power hitter who fills one of the ~4 holes in their lineup.

Wild.
Actually the reason the Yankees haven't been in a World Series since 2009 is because Brian Cashman has been so reluctant to trade prospects. He could have had two full seasons of Garrett Cole for Luis Andujar and Clint Frazier but wouldn't part with them. He had a 100-win team in 2018 that needed another pitcher, but the best he could do was "Red Sox killer" J.A. Happ because he didn't want to trade anyone. Happ was good in the regular season but the Sox murdered him when it counted.

When Chris Sale (offseason) and Justin Verlander were traded, the Yankees were never in on them.
 

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Actually the reason the Yankees haven't been in a World Series since 2009 is because Brian Cashman has been so reluctant to trade prospects. He could have had two full seasons of Garrett Cole for Luis Andujar and Clint Frazier but wouldn't part with them. He had a 100-win team in 2018 that needed another pitcher, but the best he could do was "Red Sox killer" J.A. Happ because he didn't want to trade anyone. Happ was good in the regular season but the Sox murdered him when it counted.

When Chris Sale (offseason) and Justin Verlander were traded, the Yankees were never in on them.
And now this year he said FINE! Went for Kluber, went for Taillon, Severino coming back, Montgomery and German are very good, Cole.......and the offense sputters.

It's a true case study in how GMs can make big mistakes when balancing the future with the present. Imagine how the AL would look had he gotten Verlander instead of Houston? The Red Sox have been much better at recognizing when they need to sacrifice part of the future for a player who can really help put them over the top, like Sale.
 

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Actually the reason the Yankees haven't been in a World Series since 2009 is because Brian Cashman has been so reluctant to trade prospects. He could have had two full seasons of Garrett Cole for Luis Andujar and Clint Frazier but wouldn't part with them. He had a 100-win team in 2018 that needed another pitcher, but the best he could do was "Red Sox killer" J.A. Happ because he didn't want to trade anyone. Happ was good in the regular season but the Sox murdered him when it counted.

When Chris Sale (offseason) and Justin Verlander were traded, the Yankees were never in on them.
That’s a different story though. I’m not talking about general prospect strategy as much as specifically about how few of any teams that look as flawed as they do right now would (or could afford to) ever waste so many future prospects to fill one hole.

It’s one thing to not believe it or necessary to spend prospects to “get over the top”.Frankly, that’s bad. But it may be worse to burn through them on what feels like a fools errand here. Just seems something that they are uniquely positioned to do for a number of reasons.
 

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The Red Sox have been much better at recognizing when they need to sacrifice part of the future for a player who can really help put them over the top, like Sale.
And part of that sacrifice is to fire the GM running the team.

Some of this comes down to Henry being a hedge fund guy who is willing to come in last when he knows he doesn't have a winning hand. For all the comparisons people make between Boston and NYY as big market teams, the reality is that it's a very different mindset.
 

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I've said to friends that I wouldn't be shocked to see us go all in on a package with the Cubs for Rizzo, Bryant, and Kimbrel. A one-stop shop that fills most of our needs. I originally thought a package including Dalbec and Downs, but neither of them are good enough to even get us rentals. Duran may have some value, but I don't know what else it would take if other teams are in on Bryant. I think we're alone on Rizzo.
 

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And part of that sacrifice is to fire the GM running the team.

Some of this comes down to Henry being a hedge fund guy who is willing to come in last when he knows he doesn't have a winning hand. For all the comparisons people make between Boston and NYY as big market teams, the reality is that it's a very different mindset.
The hedge fund mentality was part of trading Mookie IMO. I don’t think Henry believed one player should occupy 16-17% of a 25 man roster payroll. Better to spread it out and that most players of his skill are worth more in trade than on field value.

I also think he’s aware championship opportunities are rare, thus the interest in Scherzer. Tax bedamned.
 

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Talk to me about Hosmer. Statistically, he doesn't seem like a bad offensive player. Is the only major drawback the AAV?

I feel like their desire to shed the contract may lead to him being very cheap insofar as prospects needed, and fitting into the Bloom plan. Would you all be more open to it if the Pads were willing to eat some of the 2022 salary (which is really the brutal year)? His salary at $13 million per for the remaining years on his deal, IF he doesnt opt out, is not unreasonable.
 

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I've said to friends that I wouldn't be shocked to see us go all in on a package with the Cubs for Rizzo, Bryant, and Kimbrel. A one-stop shop that fills most of our needs. I originally thought a package including Dalbec and Downs, but neither of them are good enough to even get us rentals. Duran may have some value, but I don't know what else it would take if other teams are in on Bryant. I think we're alone on Rizzo.
Dalbec has a lot of work ahead of him, but the potential label's not yet worn off and he has years of control left. No reason why another team shouldn't be interested in him as a piece of a deal. It also frees up a spot on the 40 man. But that will leave you looking for a backup at first.
 

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Dalbec has a lot of work ahead of him, but the potential label's not yet worn off and he has years of control left. No reason why another team shouldn't be interested in him as a piece of a deal. It also frees up a spot on the 40 man. But that will leave you looking for a backup at first.
It won't if you get both Rizzo and Bryant! Meanwhile, Rizzo, and Bryant, and Kimbrel (oh my) seems like fantasy stuff to me ... but we got a day half more to dream ... and then ... (my GM went to the trade deadline and all I got was this middle reliever) ...
 

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I wonder how much the calculus changes for a trade for Berrio's instead of Max. Max is a pure rental, and Berrio's has another year. What we would trade for either, I have no idea what the Red Sox would be willing to give up.
 

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Dalbec has a lot of work ahead of him, but the potential label's not yet worn off and he has years of control left. No reason why another team shouldn't be interested in him as a piece of a deal. It also frees up a spot on the 40 man. But that will leave you looking for a backup at first.
He's also a 3B, which improves his value.
 

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For every Whitlock there is a Robert Stock (or two), for every Verdugo, a Franchy, and sometimes there's a Kevin Pillar signing and a subsequent trade for Jacob Wallace.

That said, the trade target will have an established track record; the only question is, how much do you pay for that?
That’s all well and good, but all of these transactions haven’t been catastrophic failures. These aren’t 8 year, 9 figure free agent signings that go south and that includes the Mookie trade.