Tyler Bertuzzi to BOS for 2024 1st and 2025 4th

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If they put both on LTIR, will that clear room for them to have a look at some/all of the kids (Lysell, Merkulov, Lohrei)? Gotta figure given their cap situation going forward and expected off-season turnover, they're going to need those guys ready to hit the ice starting next year.
Anything is possible, but I don't think they will be having audtions for 2023 over the next month.

They can only make 4 AHL recalls after the trade deadline. Emergency recalls can happen but they need to be emergency
 

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Sweeney turned what sounds like the assets they were willing to move (and couldn't) to get Chychrun into

Orlov, Hathaway, Bertuzzi


That is amazing
 

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Lohrei will probably start with a PTO in Provy this season. Lysell and Merkulov may or may not make it up this year, but on the overall, I wouldn’t sweat it this season if both stayed down. Next year, though…
Anything is possible, but I don't think they will be having audtions for 2023 over the next month.

They can only make 4 AHL recalls after the trade deadline. Emergency recalls can happen but they need to be emergency
Okay, thanks. Will be interesting to see whether they try to audition one of them since it's unlikely that it would be all three.
 

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The rest of the regular season is all about getting guys ready for the playoffs. Lysell, Merkulov, Lohrei etc will have plenty of time to develop in the AHL playoffs.
 

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I don’t envy the work Monty is going to have to put in to get these new guys integrated, up to speed on his systems, and figure out how they best fit into the lineup/how to deploy them.
 

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Think putting Hall on LTIR is smart. No need to rush him back and it has the added benefit of allowing you to play the TB game.
 

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Kinda wonder if Bertuzzi is a re-sign candidate. He’s had a down year in his walk year. Wonder if he’d be willing to take a cheaper 1-year deal and then test the waters after next season.
 

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He’d need to clear waivers, and that’s not likely.

And Dom Luszczyszyn again is a must-follow just for his reactions:

View: https://twitter.com/domluszczyszyn/status/1631296689192484865?s=46&t=QgPlur015YjYmVsNzWFFfg

EDIT: I have to add this reply to the tweet. It had me cry-laughing:

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His article for The Athletic started thusly: "The 2022-23 Bruins are the best team I have ever seen."

And that was before this trade.
 

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The move in and of itself is great. The fact that we are gonna be without Hall, thereby necessitating the acquisition gives me heartburn.
I could be wrong, but I'm hoping that he's going to wake up the morning of April 14th fully healed. Does anyone have any idea about how he was injured? I saw the check on Foligno, but I don't recall anything happening to Hall.
 

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The move in and of itself is great. The fact that we are gonna be without Hall, thereby necessitating the acquisition gives me heartburn.
It definitely tempers my excitement but it mitigates against the loss of Hall's production significantly. I think he seamlessly fits in next to Coyle.
 

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I don’t envy the work Monty is going to have to put in to get these new guys integrated, up to speed on his systems, and figure out how they best fit into the lineup/how to deploy them.
Rich people problems. The more talent the better, and as we’ve now seen with Hall being out, quality depth is a great advantage to have.
 

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It definitely should be appreciated they went out and filled the hole they were about to have at 3rd line wing immediately. Might have done it anyways (could have shipped out Zboril / Reilly to fit in Bertuzzi I think instead of a LTIR).

They are all in as they should be. If things crater next year, it is a top 10 protected pick.
 

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I was getting a little...not nervous...but jittery about all of the moves being made in the East. I'm incredibly jacked up that Don stacked up another move on top of last week's banger.
 

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Can we stop giving away first rounders at the drop of a hat? Yes he's good when healthy but is having a down year and is also in the final year of his contract (so this sounds like a rental)
 

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With Bergeron and Krejci potentially done after this year, and their current record, THIS is the one year you throw caution to the wind on long term assets. They have at least kept their current top prospects and now Pasta is settled, so there's a chance of still competing after this year. But that's this summer's problem, an eternity from now.
 

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Can we stop giving away first rounders at the drop of a hat? Yes he's good when healthy but is having a down year and is also in the final year of his contract (so this sounds like a rental)
lol, no?

The goal is to win the Stanley Cup. This season is likely the Bruins best and last shot with this core. Those 1st round picks aren’t going to help you for 3-4 years down the road (especially where Boston is picking).

If you can improve the teams chances of winning the cup this year, even marginally, by trading future picks? You do it.
 

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Can we stop giving away first rounders at the drop of a hat? Yes he's good when healthy but is having a down year and is also in the final year of his contract (so this sounds like a rental)
Draft picks are overvalued. The odds of the 2023 or 2024 1st round pick becoming an NHL contributor is low, and if the do, that contribution is probably coming in 2026 or 2027 at the earliest.People always yell and scream that the Bruins can't draft when the reality is the NHL draft is a craapshoot, and once you get past the first 10-15 the value of the picks drops significantly as the odds of that pick never amounting to an NHL player increase substantially. It keeps growing and growing as you move deeper into the draft.

They traded a bunch of lottery tickets to help them win now, while they are in the midst of a historic season. For the short term, they kept all the prospects they have and those are the young players that are closest to contributing to the NHL roster. I'd much rather deal away an unknown 1st round pick in a year than someone like Fabian Lysell who we have some data on and might actually be able to play on next year's team.

At some point it'll add up but there will be opportunites to acquire picks along the way. They're probably going to need to dump some salary this offseason, for instance. You're seeing now in the NHL how all the good teams (Boston, Tampa, Toronto) are trading all the picks, very few actual prospects, for immediate help. If/when the time comes where this group has run it's course, they can shift into Nashville mode and trade everyone for picks to being the retool.
 

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Agreed and I'm fine with the trade, especially now with Hall's health concern. I'm just wondering if the B's are leading the trade discussions with a number 1 rather than say a 2? As the saying goes, he who make the first offer loses

And yes, chances of any given draft pick becoming a significant NHL contributor is relatively low. In fact, I seem to remember the 50-50 break even point being around pick 14 in the first round. But chances of success are certainly higher even late in the first round than later. Pasta and Bergy (mid 2nd) are both future HOFers drafted around the spot the Bertuzzi pick will likely be
 

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Agreed and I'm fine with the trade, especially now with Hall's health concern. I'm just wondering if the B's are leading the trade discussions with a number 1 rather than say a 2? As the saying goes, he who make the first offer loses

And yes, chances of any given draft pick becoming a significant NHL contributor is relatively low. In fact, I seem to remember the 50-50 break even point being around pick 14 in the first round. But chances of success are certainly higher even late in the first round than later. Pasta and Bergy (mid 2nd) are both future HOFers drafted around the spot the Bertuzzi pick will likely be
Bs are out of 2nds until 2026, so I don't think they have much to offer there. If they wanted to do something else, it was basically the 2024 or 2025 1st, otherwise they don't really have anything of value pick-wise.
 

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Can we stop giving away first rounders at the drop of a hat? Yes he's good when healthy but is having a down year and is also in the final year of his contract (so this sounds like a rental)
No. It's protected and they are all in. This exactly the type of move they NEVER made in past years. I love this move. 1st round picks are overvalued. Especially late ones.
 

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Also, the cool thing about the draft is that there's on just about every year. If you don't pick this year, you can get 'em again next.
 

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With Bergeron and Krejci potentially done after this year, and their current record, THIS is the one year you throw caution to the wind on long term assets. They have at least kept their current top prospects and now Pasta is settled, so there's a chance of still competing after this year. But that's this summer's problem, an eternity from now.
I thought I heard a report that they are looking to extent Krejci, maybe I got that wrong?
 

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The Hall news sounds concerning, but a fully healthy forward group of

Marchand - Bergeron - DeBrusk
Zacha - Krejci - Pastrnak
Hall - Coyle - Bertuzzi
Foligno - Frederic - Hathaway

is downright terrifying.
LOOK AT THAT THIRD LINE! *THIRD?*
 

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I thought I heard a report that they are looking to extent Krejci, maybe I got that wrong?
I’d be interested if someone has a link because the last I read (months ago) was while Bergeron May back next year but this is expected to be Krejci’s last season.
 

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How problematic is this from a roster development standpoint? Feels incredibly light now from an asset standpoint although I 100% agree with these moves given that this team is as well-positioned to win a title as you could ever be.
 

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Second time this week I've had to bite my tongue and root for the laundry over the roster, but I'll take it. I do prefer the more skilled side of the game, but if you're going to lean into being a harder team to play against there is no half ass-ing it I guess. I don't doubt they are also more aware of what they are doing in regards to the locker room, if the players are OK with it, I am OK with it.

They have a big, playoff style roster with a lot of room for rest. It's all on the line for Bergy and Krej this season, and it's up to the team now to get it done. Front office did its job.

Next year its McPastrnak's team and a whole new era, regardless of how this season plays out.
 

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I'm saying that the Bruins got 2 shit stirrers with skill, and while it's not the direction I thought the team would go, I am excited to see the results.
 

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I'm saying that the Bruins got 2 shit stirrers with skill, and while it's not the direction I thought the team would go, I am excited to see the results.
As a casual hockey fan, can you illuminate me on how they are shit stirrers? I’m less familiar, but this is the time of the year when is casual/bandwagon fans jump into the team. Would be helpful to understand what is meant by that comment
 

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As a casual hockey fan, can you illuminate me on how they are shit stirrers? I’m less familiar, but this is the time of the year when is casual/bandwagon fans jump into the team. Would be helpful to understand what is meant by that comment
Not afraid to mix it up, maybe give their opponents a "glove facewash" after the play, go hard to the net and bang into/fuck with the goalie. IOW, get under the other team's skin. Intimidate the other team, make them think twice about fucking with guys on the Bs who are less physical/more skilled.
 

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Not afraid to mix it up, maybe give their opponents a "glove facewash" after the play, go hard to the net and bang into/fuck with the goalie. IOW, get under the other team's skin. Intimidate the other team, make them think twice about fucking with guys on the Bs who are less physical/more skilled.
Ok. Seems different than locker room cancer which was being implicitly stated. Thanks!
 

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Ok. Seems different than locker room cancer which was being implicitly stated. Thanks!
Ferm nailed it. I only mentioned the locker room stuff because the one I WASN'T thinking of as a shit stirrer (Orlov) is no choir boy himself. Kevan Miller's last NHL play was getting his clock cleaned from a high hit by Orlov. The other two are absolutely the kind of guys you'd hate to play against. Just thought it would be something brought up in the room, I don't want to see the chemistry effected.
 

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I don’t watch a ton of hockey, but when we lost to the Blackhawks and again to the Blues it seemed we lacked one guy behind Chara they were scared of. As long as these guys aren’t cheap on the ice or violent off it, welcome welcome.
 

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As to the locker room stuff, people that attach the on ice personality to the off ice person are so wrong. If you are unsure about it, listen to any of Hathaway's interviews since he's joined the team. He comes across as a very humble, down to earth good dude. Yes he mixes it up on the ice, but that's his job. I'm a bartender and worked at Dicks Last Resort for 5 years. I was a complete ass to customers because that's how I made my money, but that's the opposite of who I am. Also I played for years with this guy Deuce who got a couple NHL games under his belt as an enforcer, muck it up type. He's probably one of the nicest guys I've ever met. Now there are a few guys like Wilson who's play can really hurt people, but rubbing a glove in someone's face, or licking it, aren't actually going to physically hurt anyone
 

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Kind of sorry I used the term locker room. I was never trying to imply Hathaway, Orlov or Bertuzzi were in any way bad people, and honestly I don't think I really did. As I get older, I like prettier hockey nowadays. Hockey can be a violent sport, and the Bruins have been whittling that aspect of their team down in recent years. I wasn't expecting them to go that direction at the deadline. And I've repeatedly said I am rooting for it. Hathaway scored 2 goals against the Bruins in a playoff game, and probably threw his weight around the whole time. In the same series Orlov was the last thing Kevan Miller ever saw on the ice. I've seen Bertuzzi in this division being a dink on the ice his whole career. These dudes have been all heels against the Bruins for a while now.
 

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I worry a little about the locker room stuff with Bertuzzi, but yeah, we don't know. And probably the main worry is that it seems so obvious that the Bruins have an extremely cohesive group so it is a little unnerving to risk it. All I am going on is the vaccine stuff makes him seem like a nob. Hathaway and Orlov, way more obviously, look like their indiscretions were all laundry related. Anybody in a Caps uniform looks like a jerk.
 

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I worry a little about the locker room stuff with Bertuzzi, but yeah, we don't know. And probably the main worry is that it seems so obvious that the Bruins have an extremely cohesive group so it is a little unnerving to risk it. All I am going on is the vaccine stuff makes him seem like a nob. Hathaway and Orlov, way more obviously, look like their indiscretions were all laundry related. Anybody in a Caps uniform looks like a jerk.
Yeah, didn’t want the anti-vaxxer here either. He’s a goober & his father was a goober. But, he’s on an expiring deal and he’s got a heavily vested interest to keep himself in the proverbial lines drawn from him by this core/locker room.

He wants to be paid. Handsomely. I hope he earns that money by going on a playoff run like you read about. As long as he plays well and doesn’t cause trouble, I’m willing to overlook a lot.

Onward.
 

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Also, I think this is all overblown. We didn't acquire 2 Ogie Oglethorpe's and a Matt Cooke here. Bertuzzi is a very skilled offensive player who is not very physical. He's annoying to play against and will get under the opponents skin. He's been suspended once, 5 years ago. He's not really a dirty player. His teamates love him, Dylan Larkin was in tears yesterday after the trade. Orlov is a top pairing defenseman who, like McAvoy, will throw a big open ice hit if the opportunity presents itself. But that's not his priamry role, it's just a piece of his game. Hathaway is a good grinding, defensive forward who plays north south and will hit D retrieve pucks in his corner. He is annoying to play against because he is relentless but he is not a good.

These guys are skilled hockey players first and foremost, they just also happen to have some sandpaper to their game. That is something people have complained the Bruns don't have enough of. There's a belief, perhaps even a valid one, that they got shoved around by the Blues in 2019, Tampa in 2020, the Islanders in 2021. They might have to go through the Isles with Martin, Clutterbuck and Cizikas still there again and Tampa who still has Maroon, Perry and added Jeannot. Now the Bruins have their own annoying dudes to play against.