Uche traded to Kansas City

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Not going to miss this guy much, but bolstering KC for a day 3 pick 2 years out is certainly a choice.
 

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I was never as high on Uche as others were, so this doesn't seem like much of anything to me. Glad the Pats got something, even if it's a Day 3 lotto ticket.
 

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Yeah, I wonder what the other offers were if this one was the best
 

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I bet he does well with KC.
Define ‘well’.

At one time he was useful as a pass rushing specialist, but he’s also not shown very much in some time now. I can’t really kill KC for taking a shot given the acquisition cost, but I think the cost reflects the player’s value/likelihood of contributing meaningfully.
 

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I find it hard to believe that we couldnt do better than giving KC of all teams Uche for the last pick in the 6th round
Have you watched him play? He isn't any good. They should have traded him last year.
 

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Define ‘well’.

At one time he was useful as a pass rushing specialist, but he’s also not shown very much in some time now. I can’t really kill KC for taking a shot given the acquisition cost, but I think the cost reflects the player’s value/likelihood of contributing meaningfully.
I think he will get a handful of sacks in the second half of the season. It really helps having somebody like Chris Jones draw the attention of the offensive line, freeing up somebody like Uche to pass rush. Kansas City will get more than a 2026 6th round pick worth of value out of him.
 

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I find it hard to believe that we couldnt do better than giving KC of all teams Uche for the last pick in the 6th round
He was a healthy scratch yesterday for one of the worst teams in the league. Getting a 6th, even one that will likely be the back of the draft, is a nice piece of business.
 

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I find it hard to believe that we couldnt do better than giving KC of all teams Uche for the last pick in the 6th round
Let’s look at it from the other side - you see a guy with Uche’s production and talent available. What are you giving up for that? A guy with one season with more than 3 sacks? I think getting anything for Uche is fine given his actual ability to produce at the NFL level.
 

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I find it hard to believe that we couldnt do better than giving KC of all teams Uche for the last pick in the 6th round
Why? He hasn't been good. And no matter what you think of the FO they didn't leave a higher round pick on the table.
 

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I think he will get a handful of sacks in the second half of the season. It really helps having somebody like Chris Jones draw the attention of the offensive line, freeing up somebody like Uche to pass rush. Kansas City will get more than a 2026 6th round pick worth of value out of him.
I am with you here. For the Pats he had some games where he could shine when other people were drawing attention and other games he was completely invisible. My guess is he will have a game with 2.5 sacks, people talk about how KC fleeced the Pats, then he disappears for the rest of the season. Probably worth it to KC for a lotto ticket, which was better than anything the Pats were getting otherwise.
 

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The talk was that Uche was generating interest from multiple teams across the league so I'm a little surprised that is all they got. Wasn't expecting much but a 6th two years out? Might have been worth just hanging on to.
 

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It really helps having somebody like Chris Jones draw the attention of the offensive line, freeing up somebody like Uche to pass rush. Kansas City will get more than a 2026 6th round pick worth of value out of him.
This is exactly right.

If I'm not mistaken, Uche has had a grand total of 4 sacks in his career when he didn't have Matthew Judon playing in the same game (pretty sure they all occurred with Judon on the field). And let's not forget, he has played like 27 games in New England without Judon.
 

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The talk was that Uche was generating interest from multiple teams across the league so I'm a little surprised that is all they got. Wasn't expecting much but a 6th two years out? Might have been worth just hanging on to.
Why would you hang onto an asset with no value to you?
 

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Uche accumulated 10 of his 20.5 career sacks over a six game stretch in 2022. For a very brief period of time, he morphed into Reggie White. Other than that he was a lot of empty potential.
 

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This is exactly right.

If I'm not mistaken, Uche has had a grand total of 4 sacks in his career when he didn't have Matthew Judon playing in the same game (pretty sure they all occurred with Judon on the field). And let's not forget, he has played like 27 games in New England without Judon.
I think the 4 sack number is bang-on, and the 27 games is damn close.
 

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I might have let KC have him for free just to save what'll end up by seasons end around 400K in cap space.

Getting a 6th is a bonus. I would've guessed any deal for him would've ended up being a 6th for Uche and a 7th.

Now remove KJ Osborn and we're on to the offseason
 

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Why would you hang onto an asset with no value to you?
They provide value for the rest of the season. Pats will hold on to some players just for that sake. Not saying Uche is one you do but for cheap money and a late round pick multiple years out, it is close. Plus there's comp formula etc.
 

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Essentially no reason for the Pats to trade him for a 2026 6th given its a comp pick. "Honestly, the chiefs didn't give up anything on a 26 6th" "Great trade for Kansas City"

"Sounds like the Patriots could have gotten more for him last week but they uh...I don't know.. didn't work out and now had to go back and re-work."
 

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I think he will get a handful of sacks in the second half of the season. It really helps having somebody like Chris Jones draw the attention of the offensive line, freeing up somebody like Uche to pass rush. Kansas City will get more than a 2026 6th round pick worth of value out of him.
He’s also at his most valuable late in games with the lead when the opponent needs to pass the ball. KC will be in that situation a little more often than we will.
 

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Essentially no reason for the Pats to trade him for a 2026 6th given its a comp pick. "Honestly, the chiefs didn't give up anything on a 26 6th" "Great trade for Kansas City"

"Sounds like the Patriots could have gotten more for him last week but they uh...I don't know.. didn't work out and now had to go back and re-work."
Yeah, Bill can fuck off and shut the fuck up about this team if he's bringing this "oh well, I've heard they could have had a better deal, but they are obviously a bunch of incompetent dumbasses and couldn't pull it off, oh well" song and dance weekly.
 

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He was a healthy scratch so he wouldn't get hurt and ruin a potential trade. It's GM'ing 101.
Fair enough. I still think this trade reflects the value of a guy who got 3 mil for 1 year in free agency.
 
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Eh the Pats shouldn't be in the market for comp picks anyway - they have cash to burn, after all!
Yeah this guarantees they get a pick so in that regards it's a good move.
I'm not thrilled with the return but as others have said it's a whatever trade.
 

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They provide value for the rest of the season. Pats will hold on to some players just for that sake. Not saying Uche is one you do but for cheap money and a late round pick multiple years out, it is close. Plus there's comp formula etc.
I don't think there is any value for the rest of this season, and Uche has basically no chance of qualifying for a comp pick. YMMV, but I'm happy to get something for a player who generates no value during the remainder of his contract for a losing team.
 

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Not for nothing, but for one read of the tea leaves would be: this is not a trade that a GM who feels their seat getting warm makes

A 6th rounder two years in the future is a pretty ridiculously small return. And any trade opens up opportunities for people to criticize you. You don't mind the potential criticism, and take the distant-and-small return, if you think you'll be around to benefit from the pick and the criticism is a long way from critical mass
 

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Yeah, Bill can fuck off and shut the fuck up about this team if he's bringing this "oh well, I've heard they could have had a better deal, but they are obviously a bunch of incompetent dumbasses and couldn't pull it off, oh well" song and dance weekly.
I think you're right. Bill, in his new role, should go out there and lie to the public so as not to offend anyone here. If he really is tuned in to the league, he should not report it if it involves the Pats because it could lead to hurt feelings. Besides, who wants to hear the insights of the GOAT? He should just STFU if he's going to tell us things that might enlighten us.
 

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Essentially no reason for the Pats to trade him for a 2026 6th given its a comp pick. "Honestly, the chiefs didn't give up anything on a 26 6th" "Great trade for Kansas City"

"Sounds like the Patriots could have gotten more for him last week but they uh...I don't know.. didn't work out and now had to go back and re-work."
This is just babbling. The folks want him to be critical of the Pats and he's doing it.
 

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I think you're right. Bill, in his new role, should go out there and lie to the public so as not to offend anyone here. If he really is tuned in to the league, he should not report it if it involves the Pats because it could lead to hurt feelings. Besides, who wants to hear the insights of the GOAT? He should just STFU if he's going to tell us things that might enlighten us.
He's incredibly transparent in how self serving he is, in a manner that I don't really see anyone else in his role behaving. He's not enlightening anyone, he's taking pot shots in the pettiest way possible and it's honestly a terrible look for him. That you think any of this charade on his part is actual "reporting" is laughable.
 

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I think you're right. Bill, in his new role, should go out there and lie to the public so as not to offend anyone here. If he really is tuned in to the league, he should not report it if it involves the Pats because it could lead to hurt feelings. Besides, who wants to hear the insights of the GOAT? He should just STFU if he's going to tell us things that might enlighten us.
Come on dude--Bill's "argument" here is that instead of taking the 6th round pick now, they should hold Uche the rest of the season and hope he earns a contract that gets them a 5th round compensatory pick?

Now I want the Pats to draft a 4th round PK to see what BB's take is.
 

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Come on dude--Bill's "argument" here is that instead of taking the 6th round pick now, they should hold Uche the rest of the season and hope he earns a contract that gets them a 5th round compensatory pick?

Now I want the Pats to draft a 4th round PK to see what BB's take is.
Well not just that, but that the Pats FO screwed up by not trading him last week for whatever reason and they could have gotten more. There is definitely an air of "I would have done this better" to these discussions - right or wrong, thats the way it comes off.