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I am not sure whether BB is being petty (maybe he is, maybe he isn't, I am not one to say) but I imagine there is some sense of pride/ego involved with trying to defend the guy you drafted in the second round a few years ago being offloaded for virtually nothing because he was not very good outside a few games.
 

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Yeah, Bill can fuck off and shut the fuck up about this team if he's bringing this "oh well, I've heard they could have had a better deal, but they are obviously a bunch of incompetent dumbasses and couldn't pull it off, oh well" song and dance weekly.
Seriously. Soooo much talent on a team he coached to 4 freaking wins. Enough Bill.

Meanwhile, who cares that they’re “helping “ Kansas City? I get that people are all nuts about the thought of Mahomes approaching Brady’s SB record, but if our FO cared about that in the slightest way they should be terminated immediately.
 

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Meanwhile, who cares that they’re “helping “ Kansas City? I get that people are all nuts about the thought of Mahomes approaching Brady’s SB record, but if our FO cared about that in the slightest way they should be terminated immediately.
Right. The only thing that matters with any move is how it impacts the Patriots.
 

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The Patriots are 2-6, and likely wouldn't have re-signed Uche next offseason anyways. It's nice that they get another draft pick to supplement their rebuild around rookie quarterback Drake Maye, but it would have been ideal to get a round or two higher. Especially for a 26-year-old, former second-round pick who has shown he can produce a double-digit sacks season. New England is obviously in the midst of teardown, which is the right move for the franchise at this stage.
 

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He's incredibly transparent in how self serving he is, in a manner that I don't really see anyone else in his role behaving. He's not enlightening anyone, he's taking pot shots in the pettiest way possible and it's honestly a terrible look for him. That you think any of this charade on his part is actual "reporting" is laughable.
Miss him much, do you? His comments read as mildly critical to me, and kind of milquetoast. And terrible look for him seems way over the top.
 

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Bill's argument is both specious and circular. Thinking that Uche had more value last week than this week is an uncharacteristically dumb comment by Bill. And while it certainly would have been nice to get 5th instead of a 6th, it's not like Wolf didn't make any other calls. Trade market for Uche was clearly very soft.

Uche had some flashes here, but is by no means a vital cog in the Patriots' defense. He won't be in KC's either, but he could be OK as a depth player in situational downs. By far the easiest one to trade without setting back this season's or next season's team.
 

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I have as low an opinion of Wolf and his team as anyone, but I am confident they called 31 teams and this was the best offer they got. I don't think it was a matter of "Yeah, the Vikings offered us a 4th, but we liked the Chiefs' 6th rounder better!"

Something for an asset that would've turned into dust at the end of the year. Plus Uche seemed like a good dude and I don't mind that they helped him find a more interesting job for the rest of 2024 than he faced in Foxboro.
 

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6th is fine, probably could have gotten a 5th if he wasn't having a pretty terrible half season, 4th if he was having a good one, but as is...
sure
 

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Come on dude--Bill's "argument" here is that instead of taking the 6th round pick now, they should hold Uche the rest of the season and hope he earns a contract that gets them a 5th round compensatory pick?

Now I want the Pats to draft a 4th round PK to see what BB's take is.
Word.

In what world is trading Josh Uche evidence of a "teardown"? Any trade that results in 6th coming back is never evidence of a teardown. Sweet Jesus.
 

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Word.



In what world is trading Josh Uche evidence of a "teardown"? Any trade that results in 6th coming back is never evidence of a teardown. Sweet Jesus.
Sadly, Uche is probably in the top 50% of the players talent-wise on the Pats roster, so I guess it could be seen as kind of a tear down move.
 

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Never thought much of him as a player. And I love BB - but he clearly didn't either. At his best he still wasn't a starter on a team whose LBs aren't great.

Don't like helping KC but who cares
 

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I think you're right. Bill, in his new role, should go out there and lie to the public so as not to offend anyone here. If he really is tuned in to the league, he should not report it if it involves the Pats because it could lead to hurt feelings. Besides, who wants to hear the insights of the GOAT? He should just STFU if he's going to tell us things that might enlighten us.
Bill's is a smart guy. He serves warmed-over shit critical of the Patriots because the audience for the "guy-in-an-undershirt show" is people who like to eat warmed over shit critical of the Patriots. It's not rocket surgery and he knows it.
 

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Don't take the below as picking on your post, I'm just using it as a jumping off point on the larger theme of 'how should we expect BB to talk about the Pats?'

BB is the GOAT of defensive coaches, and somewhere at the top of the list of GOATs of all coaches, across all sports. And we owe him huge gratitude for all her brought the region.

*And*... We've all been following this team for long enough to know that petty, catty and territorial is pretty much BB's default mode for anyone and everyone who is not deferential and/or useful to him. We don't have to wonder about how similar his motivations/behavior are to immature 7th grade mean-girl "you must all hate so-and-so because I do" lunch-hour-in-the-cafeteria snark. (The implicit message of which is that you should join him in picking on the same person he's picking on). Of course that's where he's coming from. He was like this in the 90s. He was like this when he first came to New England. This is who he is.

Look how he keeps shit-talking the Jets, for god's sake. The things that rubbed him wrong there happened two and a half decades ago.

I wouldn't hold my breath expecting him to get over his grudges with and about the Pats. Or stop taking shots at the franchise and the people who replaced him. It doesn't matter that Mayo was one of "his" guys. Mayo is not being deferential or useful to Belichick. He now sits at another table in the cafeteria. That die is cast.

This is not a guy who is going to take the high road, or be classy and respectful, or deal with people he has conflicts with in a mature way. There are people in his life that I know who have been waiting 40 years for him to grow up.

Belichick is in his early 70s. Life expectancy tables would probably tell us we got 10-15 more years of this.




 
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I find it hard to believe that we couldnt do better than giving KC of all teams Uche for the last pick in the 6th round
I’d prefer I have sent him to NFC for a 7th

Do not like helping KC
Uche is a free agent after this season and is obviously not a candidate to be tagged. There is zero chance this deal does lasting harm to the Pats. The front office, appropriately, doesn’t share SoSH’s desire not to help the Chiefs even if doing so helps the Patriots.

And as a silver lining, someone besides Wolf will probably be GM by 2026 when that pick conveys.
 

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Bill's is a smart guy. He serves warmed-over shit critical of the Patriots because the audience for the "guy-in-an-undershirt show" is people who like to eat warmed over shit critical of the Patriots. It's not rocket surgery and he knows it.
what job pays more ?a rocket scientist or a rocket surgeon?
 

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He was a healthy scratch likely because they had this deal nearly in place and didn't want to risk him getting hurt.
Hi SJH, nice to see you here after a Pats win instead of only when they lose. All that grievance posting cannot be healthy. Glad you are working an expectation balance. :p
 

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Hi SJH, nice to see you here after a Pats win instead of only when they lose. All that grievance posting cannot be healthy. Glad you are working an expectation balance. :p
You weren't in the game thread yesterday, bub.

Also in the Game Ball thread.

(plus my kid demanded to watch a movie immediately after the game was over so the next three hours were taken up with the second Harry Potter.)
 

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You weren't in the game thread yesterday, bub.

Also in the Game Ball thread.

(plus my kid demanded to watch a movie immediately after the game was over so the next three hours were taken up with the second Harry Potter.)
Gamethread=during game.

Congrats on the two posts after the win compared to the 30 after a loss.
 

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He's incredibly transparent in how self serving he is, in a manner that I don't really see anyone else in his role behaving. He's not enlightening anyone, he's taking pot shots in the pettiest way possible and it's honestly a terrible look for him. That you think any of this charade on his part is actual "reporting" is laughable.
Kraft treated him like shit and has been dragging him publicly since he fired him.

Why do you expect him to just go quietly into the night? He has a platform and gets to point and laugh at a team that treated him like shit.

Would you stay quiet if you were in a similar situation?
 

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Kraft treated him like shit and has been dragging him publicly since he fired him.

Why do you expect him to just go quietly into the night? He has a platform and gets to point and laugh at a team that treated him like shit.

Would you stay quiet if you were in a similar situation?
This likely just comes down to the Pats trading away a player he likes. Like you, I can't blame him for speaking his mind.
 

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Kraft treated him like shit and has been dragging him publicly since he fired him.

Why do you expect him to just go quietly into the night? He has a platform and gets to point and laugh at a team that treated him like shit.

Would you stay quiet if you were in a similar situation?
He can rip on them for plenty of valid reasons to rip. This isn't that.


This likely just comes down to the Pats trading away a player he likes. Like you, I can't blame him for speaking his mind.
He liked him enough to play 33% of the snaps last year. This year, before yesterday, he was at 35%.

When BB cut a guy early or whatever, we always said he was doing him a favor, letting him get more time to hook up with another team.

In this case, he's going to a team that is going to result in him making more money this season due to post-season shares. Be kinda cool if BB said they did Uche a solid--a chance to make more money and get more visibility for his free agency.
 

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Also, BB is very blunt on McAfee's show. This was his take on Tyrique Stevenson's idiocy on the Hail Mary: "Obviously this is a ridiculous play by Tyrique Stevenson.. He has no idea what's going on and it was terrible"
 

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This likely just comes down to the Pats trading away a player he likes. Like you, I can't blame him for speaking his mind.
BB's job is to do exactly this now. He doesn't like the trade and I can't blame him for doing the job he is paid to do. I also don't think his focus is Patriot centric, he has trashed a ton of other teams' moves, plays, players.
 

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BB also gave a scouting report on Uche which said he thrives when there's another guy to pressure the QB, he's not great trying to be THE sack guy. With Barmore and Judon out, Uche wasn't going to put up huge sack numbers, but on a team with other pass rushers he will get his sacks.
 

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Also, BB is very blunt on McAfee's show. This was his take on Tyrique Stevenson's idiocy on the Hail Mary: "Obviously this is a ridiculous play by Tyrique Stevenson.. He has no idea what's going on and it was terrible"
That's some high-level insight right there from Coach Belichick.


(Though I wonder which "talking" head on ESPN will draw the short straw and have to defend Stevenson, since someone has to be on the "other side" of anything in Bristol.)
 

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Kraft treated him like shit and has been dragging him publicly since he fired him.

Why do you expect him to just go quietly into the night? He has a platform and gets to point and laugh at a team that treated him like shit.

Would you stay quiet if you were in a similar situation?
If I were the most accomplished, successful and celebrated person to ever have my job? Absolutely. At worst I'd have Michael Lombardi and the rest of my media flunkies put the hit jobs out. Oh, and funny how all of a sudden he won't comment on the mess that are the Falcons, huh. That sure was a topic after week one.
 

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Bill can say whatever the fuck he wants. In fact, it would be weird if he didn't say anything at all about the Patriots, given that he is being paid to discuss all of the league's teams.

We are free, however, to call out what he says when it is inarguably dumb, as it was in this case when discussing the Uche trade.
 

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As time goes by, that trade (or was he allowed to walk) will likely be looked at as the biggest mistake of BB's Pats career. Really started the downfall of the offense.
I agree and I've made that point on here several times. God forbid you over pay a guard that money. The Pats couldn't have absorbed those huge cap hits of $4.5m, $8m and $14m this year. There's $52m backloaded they'd have to deal with in a similar deal.

Or you can let him walk, then waste a 1st rounder on a.....guard! BB essentially traded Thuney for a first round pick that he used on a guard. Gross.
 

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I agree and I've made that point on here several times. God forbid you over pay a guard that money. The Pats couldn't have absorbed those huge cap hits of $4.5m, $8m and $14m this year. There's $52m backloaded they'd have to deal with in a similar deal.

Or you can let him walk, then waste a 1st rounder on a.....guard! BB essentially traded Thuney for a first round pick that he used on a guard. Gross.
I'm sure the thinking was that he thought he could get 90% of Thuney's production for 50% of the cost, but boy that sure didn't work out at all.
 

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I'm sure the thinking was that he thought he could get 90% of Thuney's production for 50% of the cost, but boy that sure didn't work out at all.
Is that Stidham's Music????

I was a BB over Brady guy and I was wrong. I loved Brady and knew he was a ton of it but had faith in BB to rebuild after Tom and Tom was a short term answer. Boy was I wrong. The water so many here carry for BB must be back breaking.

The last thing I'd want for the Patriots right now is to have BB at the helm for the long term.
 

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BB also gave a scouting report on Uche which said he thrives when there's another guy to pressure the QB, he's not great trying to be THE sack guy. With Barmore and Judon out, Uche wasn't going to put up huge sack numbers, but on a team with other pass rushers he will get his sacks.
Keion White has more sacks and is tied for as many qb hits as anyone on the Chiefs and nearly every time Uche was on the field White was as well. And with Barmore playing all of last year and having a career year Uche put up a grand total of 3 sacks.
 

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Is that Stidham's Music????

I was a BB over Brady guy and I was wrong. I loved Brady and knew he was a ton of it but had faith in BB to rebuild after Tom and Tom was a short term answer. Boy was I wrong. The water so many here carry for BB must be back breaking.

The last thing I'd want for the Patriots right now is to have BB at the helm for the long term.
I dunno. BB tended to guess right far more often than not when trading away players or letting them leave via free agency. And that included some big name players. Getting Mitchell and Thuney for Chandler Jones (when he was getting ready to be expensive) was a good move. Seymour netted them Nate Solder. Could find many other examples.

Letting Thuney walk wasn't a bad move in a vacuum. It's that it was combined with a bunch of other moves and failed draft picks (and players aging out) that ultimately degraded the roster. Unclear that the 2024 version of BB would be able to rebuild the roster. But we don't need to rewrite the entire history of Bill Belichick either.
 

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I am glad he's gone, he was such a tease as a player. He could only play on passing downs and definitely cannot be trusted to set the edge. He's not part of the future. Best of luck to him.
 

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I agree and I've made that point on here several times. God forbid you over pay a guard that money. The Pats couldn't have absorbed those huge cap hits of $4.5m, $8m and $14m this year. There's $52m backloaded they'd have to deal with in a similar deal.

Or you can let him walk, then waste a 1st rounder on a.....guard! BB essentially traded Thuney for a first round pick that he used on a guard. Gross.
Why does this keep coming up 5 years later?

They wanted to keep him. They franchise tagged him. Tried to sign him to an extension. Thuney didn't agree to one. Played out the season on the tag. Then come 2021 rather than tag him again for a big raise, then I guess watch him leave after 2021, they moved on and spent their money on guys who were willing to sign here long term.

Sometimes, the player just wants to be elsewhere. Great job by Thuney getting his money, and also collecting his rings. Pretty solid move choosing to play with Mahomes rather than broken down Cam Newton or rookie Mac Jones.

Between Thuney and Shaq Mason, I think Pats fans have lost their minds.