Vonleh Traded to San Antonio

moondog80

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Can't be much more than a second round pick protected 31-59.
 

scottyno

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Cs open up a roster spot and save some money, Spurs gain a little money and open up a roster spot
 

DJnVa

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Cs open up a roster spot and save some money, Spurs gain a little money and open up a roster spot
See, this is where the NBA loses me.

How do both teams save money? If Spurs can waive a guy and save, why couldn't the Celtics just waive him?
 

DJnVa

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They got cash in the deal. Celtics save cap space money, Spurs save actual money
Okay, so Spurs carry his cap cost but got actual dollars and Celtics can make the trade for a "worthless" pick in return?
 

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yeah so the deal is basically this:

Boston sends Vonleh to San Antonio with enough cash to cover his remaining guarantees. By doing this they save roughly $6M in tax at the end of the year vs. waiving him.

San Antonio gets Vonleh, and the cash, waives him at no cost to them, but save money because they are $16M below the floor, so they spend Boston's cash but get closer to the floor and have to pay out less later.

For contact the Celtics will likely get either a never to convey 2nd or draft rights to some scrub who is never coming over like Robertas Javtokas, who is 42 but they still have his draft rights.

Edit- it's a smart move, Vonleh wasn't playing, and the Celtics were likely to have to cut somebody at some point this year to add a player via buyout or trade, so by doing it this way they save money and gain flexibility. Might see something with Jackson too, his deal guarantees on Saturday.
 

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Great explanation. With the tax implications, both Vonleh and Jackson's inclusion on the opening day roster only made sense because they could make trades like this before they guaranteed. Signing players that are bought-out later in the season will mean pro-rated salaries, and it's the end of bench so it doesn't matter much.
 

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If Brad didn’t get those 2028 swap rights back, I want him fired immediately.
 

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yeah so the deal is basically this:

Boston sends Vonleh to San Antonio with enough cash to cover his remaining guarantees. By doing this they save roughly $6M in tax at the end of the year vs. waiving him.

San Antonio gets Vonleh, and the cash, waives him at no cost to them, but save money because they are $16M below the floor, so they spend Boston's cash but get closer to the floor and have to pay out less later.

For contact the Celtics will likely get either a never to convey 2nd or draft rights to some scrub who is never coming over like Robertas Javtokas, who is 42 but they still have his draft rights.

Edit- it's a smart move, Vonleh wasn't playing, and the Celtics were likely to have to cut somebody at some point this year to add a player via buyout or trade, so by doing it this way they save money and gain flexibility. Might see something with Jackson too, his deal guarantees on Saturday.
Thank you for breaking it down so easily to digest!
 

DJnVa

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For contact the Celtics will likely get either a never to convey 2nd or draft rights to some scrub who is never coming over like Robertas Javtokas, who is 42 but they still have his draft rights.
Yo, he's 6'11" are we sure he's got nothing to offer?????????? Career 48% from three!!!
 

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Shouldn't a trade exception be created out of this?
Yep. Smallest one they have, but is good for another year

[TH]TYPE[/TH] [TH]REASON (USED ON)[/TH] [TH]ORIGINAL[/TH] [TH]AVAILABLE[/TH]
Taxpayer Mid-Level Danilo Gallinari ($6,479,000) $6,479,000 $0
Trade 1/05/2023 Noah Vonleh trade with SAS $1,160,955 $1,160,955
Trade 1/19/2023 Juancho Hernangomez trade with SAS $6,907,815 $6,907,815
Trade 2/10/2023 Enes Freedom trade with HOU $1,669,178 $1,669,178
Trade 2/10/2023 Bruno Fernando trade with HOU $1,782,621 $1,782,621
Trade 2/10/2023 Dennis Schroder trade with HOU $5,890,000 $5,890,000
Trade 2/10/2023 Bol Bol trade with ORL $2,161,152 $2,161,152
Trade 2/10/2023 PJ Dozier trade with ORL $1,910,860 $1,910,860
 

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If Brad didn’t get those 2028 swap rights back, I want him fired immediately.
Could both teams save money if they traded POBOBS to the Sox for Chaim?

I do like seeing these types of transactions. Gives us a little more insight into and appreciation for how diligent the front office is…
 

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Cellar-Door

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SA is still below the salary floor, so the $1.5 million is pure savings. They’d have to pay any added salary regardless.

I suppose this will also impact their luxury tax receipts as well, but I can’t do that math.
It might be, depends what they do the rest of the year. They may use up to the floor in trades, pretty common for teams to do that by eating deals late in the year or even in the limbo period (like OKC did with Kemba).
 

Senator Donut

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It might be, depends what they do the rest of the year. They may use up to the floor in trades, pretty common for teams to do that by eating deals late in the year or even in the limbo period (like OKC did with Kemba).
True, I should have said it's free money if and only if San Antonio stays under the floor, which is pretty rare historically but it did happen last year. (I can't believe the salary cap is so confusing for casual fans!)
 

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I don't really care all that much about Wyc/Steve's P/L, while they make a Championship push. BUT every organization (other than the US Congress) works within a budget. So good work, as long as they feel Kabengele can be called upon to fulfill 5th string BIG minutes.

Does anyone think Justin Jackson is under a similar microscope?
 

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I don't really care all that much about Wyc/Steve's P/L, while they make a Championship push. BUT every organization (other than the US Congress) works within a budget. So good work, as long as they feel Kabengele can be called upon to fulfill 5th string BIG minutes.

Does anyone think Justin Jackson is under a similar microscope?
If they can save $5 million or more in luxtax payments if they dump Jackson, they should do it. If there is any scenario where this team needs to count on him for anything but garbage time minutes, the Celtics aren’t winning a title.

I would rather see JDD in garbage time, anyways.
 

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If they can save $5 million or more in luxtax payments if they dump Jackson, they should do it. If there is any scenario where this team needs to count on him for anything but garbage time minutes, the Celtics aren’t winning a title.

I would rather see JDD in garbage time, anyways.
exactly on all points

not sure if a 13-man roster is allowed? BUT that would be a good way to efficiently use 2-way contracts and develop youngsters

Just saw this
Players sent to the NBA G League will continue to count on a team's inactive list. While individual teams must carry a minimum of 13 (12 active plus one inactive) players, the NBA guarantees a league-wide average of at least 14 players per team. The league is surcharged if they do not meet the average.
 

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I think he's more than under the microscope. He's a for sure goner. At minimum they'll cut him before his guarantee tomorrow and go down to 13, but that means his salary to this point counts against the luxury tax. If they can find another trade like Vonleh's, it's like he never played for the Celtics as far as the luxury tax is concerned.
 

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I think he's more than under the microscope. He's a for sure goner. At minimum they'll cut him before his guarantee tomorrow and go down to 13, but that means his salary to this point counts against the luxury tax. If they can find another trade like Vonleh's, it's like he never played for the Celtics as far as the luxury tax is concerned.
I hear the Spurs have an available roster spot.
 

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vonleh was fine for his role which was deep depth while TL was out, and a bit of a hedge to make sure Kornet was playable and Blake had anything at all left. Now that TL is back he's never going to play. He's the obvious cut that was going to happen since they may play the buyout market.

Jackson is interesting, while they could cut him before his guarantee, I do wonder if they want to keep 14 if only because his extra money makes trade matching easier if someone they like becomes available. The extra 1.8M could help