Vrabel emphasized the offensive line and protecting the quarterback when asked about free agency and the draft. Seemed to imply their immediate focus was in the trenches, which is obviously ideal.
Vrabel named HC of the NEP
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So long as they don't do what they did last year and get so obsessed with positional need they start reaching in the draft.
Looks like there are a few players already expressing interest in coming to the Pats (Jeffrey Simmons). A total underrated aspect to hiring a guy with experience like Vrable. You didn't hear this last year when Mayo was hired, he didn't have the backlog of players that would want to come here. Something to keep an eye on when thinking about improving the roster.
This is a good point, and along with the Drake Maye factor, could make the Patriots' FA experience quite different this year than last. The team has a much better sales pitch this time around.
Hard to overstate just how amateurish that was in retrospect. They needed good players...at any position at this point in the rebuild. Probably passed on Ladd because they had Douglas. Could have had DeJean but thought they had it covered with Peppers/Dugger. Overdrafted Wallace. It was like they polled a bunch of panicky fans. Just not professional. They will get another chance but have to do much better or this whole thing will linger.
Wait…is this an actual thing? Because, if so, I believe I would prefer it above all else.
My mind's eye sees magic tricks at the opening press conference. But i cant find it.
But his only (most of a) season was infinitely worse than Mayo's.
https://fs64sports.blogspot.com/2011/02/1976-jets-hire-lou-holtz-as-head-coach.html
https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/5/13/17350076/the-lou-holtz-error-the-new-york-jets-fantastically-bad-1976-season
My post made 3 points about Vrabel’s attractive coaching record, followed by a 4th (set off with “by the way”) that meant to anecdotally highlight the mutually positive/successful history/relationship with the organization - a high comfort level from both sides that 100% will ease the transition into his new role and will serve as a well-established common ground when disagreements and challenges arise.
But by quoting/refuting only that 4th point out of the context of the 3 main points is 100% a straw man fallacy.
I mean, one could argue (with plenty of evidence) that past performance is actually a poor indicator of future success and, at the highest levels of an organization, ONLY relationships matter.
No, it’s not.
It’s disagreeing with one of your arguments.
A strawman would be disagreeing with an argument that you never made.
It literally says what I just said.
There’s absolutely no universe in which someone who understands rhetorical terms and logical fallacies and argument would call disagreeing with one of four arguments that someone actually made a strawman fallacy. He’s not required to refute your other three arguments—which he may have agreed with—to fairly engage your other one.
This isn’t even close, and this sideline is becoming even sillier than the silly argument that gave rise to it.
Thank god they got this done on Sunday, lol to anyone who would of been straight dumb enough to wait for the clown show that will be the Ben Johnson sweepstakes. Imagine waiting, losing Vrabel and then Johnson signs somewhere else 2 weeks after the superbowl! We are not only lucky to have Vrabel as our coach but we should be thankful, some team is going to have to make it work with Leftwich or Glenn, goodluck to those teams as they will need it...
Or you can be the Cowboys who will spend wo months flirting with Deion and be left with literally nothing. To be fair, that would still be better than McCarthy.
Leftwich and Glenn having nothing in common but one thing. What are you trying to say here?
I read words, and I know what they mean individually... but I didn't get them all put together.
Just got off the phone with a guy who is a Bears STH (for almost as long as I've been going to the Pats) and he had an interesting take. He was pretty pissed the Pats got Vrabel, he wanted the Bears to get him. He said "Vrabel is Parcells, not Belichick" (I think others here have made this point as well) and will be a floor raiser who brings structure and organization to a team. He is in particular very down on the Bears OL and DL (hmmm.....where have I heard those sentiments) and thought that Vrabel would focus on those areas until they were up to par to field a competitive team in the NFL. The Bears have decent cap space, and he views the Pats as one of their major competitors for FA's (especially OLs) and that Vrabel will help drive that.
I think Deion would be a better option then what will be left after Johnson is hired. People can say what they want about Deion, but the guy has coached his way up the ladder.
BB took Klemm, Seymour, Light, Warren, Wilfork, and Mankins in the 1st or 2nd round over a 6 year period.
How has Sanders coached his way up the ladder? He has only been a head coach at 2 colleges.
I honestly think that he would be a horrible NFL head coach.
He has been coaching his kid since peewees. He has spent the last what half decade as a head coach of 2 college programs, that is more experience than the majority taking interviews right now imo. Not saying he will be a great coach but if you are the Cowboys do you give Deion a chance or do you bring in some coordinator that no one will care about?
Please show your work as to how his experience is greater than those other applicants
Coaching peewees does not exactly gain a person meaningful experience towards coaching at any other level, college and NFL included.
I coached peewee football for 5 years, then high school football for 4 years. Does that make me qualified to be a head coach anywhere?
You might disagree, but my position is that he got those college coaching opportunities because of his name, not his experience. I mean, what college would hire a head coach that had never coached anything but peewee level ball? He got hired because they new they could use his name to promote their program.
It also appears that he's a kick-ass recruiter. I'm not really capable of assessing his actual coaching chops.
View: https://twitter.com/NESportsFellow/status/1879232272454594892
Eliot Wolf is going to report to Vrabel it seems like (similar to the role BB had)
Eliot Wolf is going to report to Vrabel it seems like (similar to the role BB had)
There's a huuuuuuuuuuge difference between being a CEO-type head coach in college vs. the NFL. Think Steve Spurrier, noted college CEO and culture guy, who was a flaming wreck of an NFL coach.
I don't see anything in Deion that suggests he'd be a successful NFL HC. He's right where he should be in college.
I don't see anything in Deion that suggests he'd be a successful NFL HC. He's right where he should be in college.
Great news. Like I was saying before his hiring, having Vrabel be THE dominant voice in the organization is critical.
So it's BB all over again...I mean it worked before! Maybe Kraft really was scared Vrabel would go to the Jets.
No, it's not "BB all over again". But it is about having leadership, which was abundantly clear that this franchise lacked for the past 12 months.
*EDIT* If you disagree with the Vrabel/Wolf structure just say it and cite why. My God, the fucking constant snark around here.
And if you want to read tea leaves about Vrabels future moves, which we pretty much all do, said yesterday more specifically you take care of the QB by protecting the MIDDLE of the pocket. BB thought this way too I believe (Mankins and Strange say hi). I believe this to mean our (fans) focus on Tackle will come with equal focus on G and C…where we may be better already. Either way LFG get a line.
This is unsurprising as far as it is in line with what Vrabel wanted
Kind of runs contrary to Kraft’s complaints or concerns about BB having too much power and control. Just 12 months later, hes OK with having Vrabel having final say on everything? I guess it’s expected to be more of a collaboration than what BB had but it’s still a lot of power for Vrabel to have (and I’m not sure what he’s ever done personnel-wise to justify that kind of control)
I think BB realized that the one way to rattle Brady was to get pressure up the middle without blitzing. Most of Brady’s worst performances came when the opposing DL dominated the Pats interior line. They probably win SB42 if Mankins doesn’t crap his pants or if Neal was healthy.
In theory, a more mobile QB like Maye should be less vulnerable to interior pressure so I’m not sure Vrabel and BB have the same logical route even if they’re finding the same end point.
Is there any move they can make, going forward, that you’re not going to complain about?
You're taking some abuse for your takes on some of this stuff, and I admire that you're sticking to your guns.
Serious question--and not in the way of picking a bickering match--was there a candidate that you like out there at all? Who's your alternative to Vrabel here?
If your answer is "I have no idea. I just hate the process that Kraft used to fill the job," then do you think that your posts are a critique of Vrabel or Kraft?
I'll hang up and listen.
It's becoming very clear that it started to become personal with Kraft re: Belichick
I think this is great news. I was against the BB firing last season, but if this had been the outcome from the start, I would have been happy. Great to see it a year later at least and with the 4th pick in the draft and a QB as a bonus.
I think this is great news. I was against the BB firing last season, but if this had been the outcome from the start, I would have been happy. Great to see it a year later at least and with the 4th pick in the draft and a QB as a bonus.
It's only contrary because of the way you describe it. It's not about one person "having power." It's about who the person is. For whatever reason, for better or worse, etc., Kraft thought having BB in charge was no longer working. Vrabel is a different guy. It's just as accurate to say, "Kraft is clearly more comfortable with the HC in charge." (which is probably also an oversimplification.).
"My car runs like shit and breaks down all the time" is not a reason to give up your driver's license.
And what has Wolf done to suggest he should have control over the head coach?
At the end of the day, the buck has to stop with someone. If Wolf(/Cowden/whoever else is involved in decisions in the front office) and Vrabel agree, great. When they disagree, who gets their way? I'd rather it be Vrabel than Wolf, I think. And I'd rather either answer than "Robert or Jonathan Kraft"- as much as I appreciate what they've done for the franchise, most of the good they've done is staying out of football decisions.
I very much doubt Vrabel has full BB authority.
I would guess the relationship now is more like Vrabel is "first among equals."
Which is fair, all things considered.
Probably true. I was responding (somewhat clumsily) to the idea that letting Vrabel be "first" is somehow a course-reversal by Kraft because he ditched BB. Their respective "first-ness" might be of different degrees.
Having control over the head coach and having control over personnel are different things, no?
Based on Kraft forcing Grier onto Parcells and then complaining in the Belichick firing presser that he regretted letting BB have so much power, I would say Kraft thinks teams run better with a separation of duties.
But who really knows what the structure is, so I suppose it’s kind of irrelevant. Kraft clearly wanted to install Vrabel as “the guy” and that was always going to mean Vrabel having his way on personnel. Whether or not that’s a good thing remains to be seen.
The weird inconsistency from Kraft is just interesting, I don’t really care one way or another how they structure things if they work and they have the right people in those jobs.