Week 1 NFL Game Thread
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I haven't read the last few pages but Brady needing just a FG with 1:18 left and the ball? I seriously believe the vast majority of this forum and the NFL viewing public thought it was a lock for Tampa to score.
Because Jules is right.
The only suspense was whether or not one of the skill players would fumble the ball away (or volleyball pass it away for an interception).
I thought that was ridiculous when I heard it too, but then I still occasionally think about Mike Vanderjagt missing the game-tying fg in week 1, 2004. Oh well.
Indeed.
Someone made a cool observation upthread about veteran NFL QBs having cheat codes due to their experience but most can't play at a high level physically by the time they have accrued that much insight. I don't know if this is accurate but it feels right. Brady has even referenced how he understands the game so much better now and given how he looks relatively spry out there still, its possible he may stick around longer than even he thought.
Of course, its the NFL with and extra set of car crashes in game 17 so my take could be a fail by this time next week...
He didnt dunk on me. I love the man unconditionally.
Which is why I'd let him smush his nuts in my face.
I love watching TB12 succeed. He’s given me and my boys so many lasting, fun memories. I will 100% always root for him (except week 4 this year). I told my son tonight he is the goat of goats. I’m not sure I’m wrong.
That was a thing of beauty! 65 yards with a hard turn on impact. Incredible
He’s an absolute God to me. I’ll root for him in almost every single thing he does in life
The Bucs have once again shown they have the offensive talent and elite QB play needed to beat any team, but that defense runs hot and cold and their lack of discipline both in terms of penalties and making dumb plays is a concern. If they clean it up, they'll contend again, if not, an early playoff exit is in their future.
This is a pretty odd post. Out of the Top 50 TV shows by ratings last year, 49 of them were NFL games.
Who could ever argue otherwise?
How did Brady have a QBR 10 points lower than Dak's if neither guy was at fault for their interceptions, Brady suffered with more drops and actually came through in the clutch? Their counting stats were very similar as well. Kinda strange.
That's. . . .not what was said. He said, "Can we agree that the NFL is the king?"
We've agreed. The ratings agree. The content machine agrees. Tom Brady agrees. The NFL is king, it was agreed upon years ago. Like 18 people watched the NBA finals this year. Last night's game is going to draw 20 million probably.
And we’ve seen it ignored plenty of times in games where they weren’t outside the tackle box.
Let’s not ignore reality. There are plenty of times, in tackle box, with pressure coming that QBs will sail a ball 10- 20 feet over players heads to the sideline that can never satisfy “a realistic chance of a completion” unless an NFL player suddenly became super human.
Vita Vea, though. That dude can create awesome pressure right up the middle. What a force.
I first thought you were talking about throws when the QB is near the sideline, which are always outside the tackle box.
You are correct that QB's are given quite a bit of leeway. Overthrows and underthrows happen even when the QB is not under pressure. If there is a receiver on the same sideline within about 10 yards of the ball, the referee is more likely to call it an overthrow than to throw the grounding flag when the ball sails out of bounds. I am convinced that if Brady threw the ball out of bounds in the Super Bowl, no flag gets thrown.
Had the same thought - I'll never forget that miss.
Enjoy. 2:10:15 mark
View: https://youtu.be/ZIItLDH2vvI?t=7990
That entire D-Line is ridiculous, but they have to wreak havoc for that defense to work against the pass. They'll still be incredibly tough to run against, but if I'm Todd Bowles I'm expecting teams to attack me with quick short passes to the perimeter all game long from here on out. The Cowboys had an awesome offensive game plan.
Very entertaining game. Dallas has as many weapons as Tampa, both these teams lined up for a great run....
I remember Manning getting sacked, but I totally forgot about the huge pass to start off that drive. How the hell does Stokley not score here? Blame for that miss can really be passed around evenly to Vanderjagt, Manning (12 yard sack, yikes) and Stokley.
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Speaking of Week 1 memorable games and missed FGs, surprised nobody's brought up Week 1 in 2016, played on Sept 11. Bruce Arians was there, but Tom Brady wasn't.
I just watched the play again. How that wasn't called OPI is beyond me. It was still a great game but man, it sucks when the refs basically decide the outcome.
One thing defensive back are doing more of is exaggerating reactions to contact in attempts to draw calls. I think it could have gone either way last night, but defensive-back "flopping" is going to be a thing this year
Receivers pushing off with full arm extension is generally called OPI, ie, is considered by rule an example of the receiver significantly hindering the defender’s ability to play the ball. I don’t see the contact that Godwin makes as incidental because he gained separation by pushing the defender with full extension. I don’t think that was a dive by the defender.
More broadly, and this is admittedly more anecdotal than founded on some kind of extensive tape research, it seems like DPI is called more aggressively than OPI. Don’t offenses have enough advantages by rule and enforcement of the rules? I think if OPI and DPI were called more equitably, even if that meant enforcing the DPI rule less aggressively, I would be more cool with that non-call.
More broadly, and this is admittedly more anecdotal than founded on some kind of extensive tape research, it seems like DPI is called more aggressively than OPI. Don’t offenses have enough advantages by rule and enforcement of the rules? I think if OPI and DPI were called more equitably, even if that meant enforcing the DPI rule less aggressively, I would be more cool with that non-call.
I don't want to try to guess how that play was graded, but I will say that the NFL has made OPI a point of emphasis this year as they feel it is a call that have often been missed in the past. I'd think that they would have been pretty happy with a flag there.
That being said, the official directly watching that play is Tom Hill, who is probably the best official currently working in the NFL. Working a conference championship is a disappointing season for that guy.
That being said, the official directly watching that play is Tom Hill, who is probably the best official currently working in the NFL. Working a conference championship is a disappointing season for that guy.
Wasn't it a PI no-call at the end of a game a couple of years back that led to coaches being permitted to challenge PI no-calls? And yet, you still can't challenge one when it matters the most? GJGE, NFL.
The defensive back had a good grip on the WR's jersey before the OPI pushoff happened. Maybe the official saw it as 50-50, so no flag thrown?
Can you tell me how, exactly, the ref in question could have chosen not to "decide the outcome" there? He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't - all he can do is make the call he thinks is right, period.
Sorry to be late, but you’re signing up for espn+ to get to listen to Kellerman?
I'm pretty sure I had this question in an undergrad logistics class.
Was that Vanderjagt FG attempt the one that Manning threw him under the bus for? I don't think it was, but watching that sack by McGinest reminds me of what a TERRIBLE, unforgivable job Peyton did there - poor awareness before and/or AFTER the snap.
I don’t think he ever actually threw him under the bus for a missed kick. I think he threw him under the bus for some comments he made. “Idiot kicker liquored up” comes to mind.
I think it’s the o line you are thinking of. “protection issues”.
It was that atrocious call in the saints-rams nfc championship game. They allowed PI challenges, then saw that it was a clusterfuck because coaches would challenge a play and there would be barely any contact but would, by rule, be PI. So teams started getting called for PI on plays they never would have been called for before, so they got rid of the rule because it sucks. I still think the solution is an additional ref watching from up top who can call in and tell them they fucked it up, or they can initiate a review. This one wasn’t very egregious at all though, pretty frequently that doesn’t get called
If the official calls the play by the rules then he isn't deciding the game the rulebook is, if he ignores it because "it's a big moment so I shouldn't make a call" then he's deciding the outcome himself
