Week 10 Game Thread

[BaseballJones]

Are any of these teams any good? I assume sooner or later the Eagles are going to turn into a pumpkin.

Their schedule is pretty weak from here on out.

at Indy might be tricky if the Colts get back on track, which is possible after yesterday
vs GB might be tricky if Rodgers figures it out with his receivers
vs Ten might be hard if Henry has a monster game
at NYG might be tricky if....well, no, I don't think that one will be difficult for Philly despite NYG's success this year
at Dal might be tricky if Dal plays to their potential

So some games that could cause them problems, but Philly should be favored in all those games, including at Dallas. I could see them losing one but not exactly "turning into a pumpkin". They're pretty darned good.

 

[Strike4]

NFL admits the obvious. They missed the call on the pass to Davis. Still no explanation on how or why they didn't go to replay. Clock was stopped so no concern there, nor does it usually factor in anyway. Pretty questionable reception live and fairly obvious incomplete with quick review. Absolutely zero reason not to stop and review. Does the NFL only have one person watching these games? Were they getting a coffee or going to the bathroom? Was the replay official related to Gabe Davis? Seems as reasonable as any other excuse they might throw out there.

If Minnesota hadn't ended up with the win this would be a much bigger deal. I'd also guess if that was the case, the NFL would have probably doubled down on the call or at least used less conclusive about it. They can afford to look like the care about good officiating when obvious mistakes don't end up directly affecting the end result.

There's a couple things going on:

1. Whether by design because it makes for exciting games or because sometimes things that aren't accounted for in the rules happen, NFL referees are riding the tiger in these situations. Clocks are ticking, fans are screaming, the refs don't want to do something that kills everything.
2. Instant replay has always been a deal with the devil. Once you crack the door open, you are forced to keep moving on the logical progression. Why no challenges in the last two minutes? Why no challenges of PI calls?

 

[cshea]

Eh, the Eagles, Bills and Chiefs are legitimately elite. The Eagles have had a very soft schedule but they're at least blowing teams out. The Bills are in crisis mode but they've lost 3 games by a grand total of 8 points. They are a fumbled snap away from 7-2 and in the drivers seat for the AFC. I think they'll be fine but they have to dial Allen back a bit. Seems he's going full hero mode and it's led to crippling turnovers the past 2 weeks. The biggest challenge the rest of the way is they have dug an 0-2 hole in the division. If they get back to the top of the AFC East they do hold tiebreakers over KC, Baltimore and Tennessee so back in the mix for the bye and home field.

Miami and Minnesota are probably a tier below. Miami is 7-0 with Tua, but they are 5-0 in games decided by less than a score.Typically that sort of thing isn't sustainable. The Vikings are on an epic close game heater with the added warning sign that they are losing in most of them until pulling it out late. In Miami's case, their defense looks like garbage too.

 

[BigJimEd]

There's a couple things going on:

1. Whether by design because it makes for exciting games or because sometimes things that aren't accounted for in the rules happen, NFL referees are riding the tiger in these situations. Clocks are ticking, fans are screaming, the refs don't want to do something that kills everything.
2. Instant replay has always been a deal with the devil. Once you crack the door open, you are forced to keep moving on the logical progression. Why no challenges in the last two minutes? Why no challenges of PI calls?

I can understand the call on the field. Not calling for a review is inexcusable though. Replay official isn't hearing fans screaming, clock isn't ticking. They've called for replay so many times in those situations. None of those factors have mattered in the past. Complete incompetence or corruptness are the only two reasons.

 

[luckiestman]

Are any of these teams any good? I assume sooner or later the Eagles are going to turn into a pumpkin.

I’m still a Hurts skeptic but their oline must be great because they waived a Guard the Jets subsequently picked up and since this kid (Herbig) has been on the field for us, he has been impressive. If they are deep enough to waive him, they must have the best oline in the league by far.

 

[luckiestman]

Eh, the Eagles, Bills and Chiefs are legitimately elite. The Eagles have had a very soft schedule but they're at least blowing teams out. The Bills are in crisis mode but they've lost 3 games by a grand total of 8 points. They are a fumbled snap away from 7-2 and in the drivers seat for the AFC. I think they'll be fine but they have to dial Allen back a bit. Seems he's going full hero mode and it's led to crippling turnovers the past 2 weeks. The biggest challenge the rest of the way is they have dug an 0-2 hole in the division. If they get back to the top of the AFC East they do hold tiebreakers over KC, Baltimore and Tennessee so back in the mix for the bye and home field.

Miami and Minnesota are probably a tier below. Miami is 7-0 with Tua, but they are 5-0 in games decided by less than a score.Typically that sort of thing isn't sustainable. The Vikings are on an epic close game heater with the added warning sign that they are losing in most of them until pulling it out late. In Miami's case, their defense looks like garbage too.

How are they 7-0 with Tua? Why isnt he on the hook for the Bengals game?

 

[johnmd20]

How are they 7-0 with Tua? Why isnt he on the hook for the Bengals game?

No dog in this fight either way, but he did get hurt early in that game. So I can see why you wouldn't hang that on him.

 

[cshea]

How are they 7-0 with Tua? Why isnt he on the hook for the Bengals game?

He started but Bridgewater played the bulk.

 

[luckiestman]

No dog in this fight either way, but he did get hurt early in that game. So I can see why you wouldn't hang that on him.

He and his oline allowed him to be suplexed and his brain scrambled. To me, that is on them. I can see why others might see it the other way.

 

[Strike4]

I can understand the call on the field. Not calling for a review is inexcusable though. Replay official isn't hearing fans screaming, clock isn't ticking. They've called for replay so many times in those situations. None of those factors have mattered in the past. Complete incompetence or corruptness are the only two reasons.

In their defense, it wasn't until about the third round of replays - when Buffalo had already snapped the ball - that the TV viewers got to see the one that showed the bobble. I'm sure the NFL reply guy has better access but that was a tough one given the running clock and the issue of giving Buffalo a free timeout. The cigar chompers standing over the reply guy factor that in too.

 

[luckiestman]

In their defense, it wasn't until about the third round of replays - when Buffalo had already snapped the ball - that the TV viewers got to see the one that showed the bobble. I'm sure the NFL reply guy has better access but that was a tough one given the running clock and the issue of giving Buffalo a free timeout. The cigar chompers standing over the reply guy factor that in too.

Idk man, I was watching live on a phone screen and from watching and player reaction I wanted a closer look right away. Buffalo going fast on an oob play should have also tipped off replay person.

 

[Deathofthebambino]

View: https://twitter.com/NEMediaPitchbot/status/1591948375636807683?s=20&t=oYawEHMKtkO9YX9oRXvGDQ

Nope, it will never, ever get old.

 

[Justthetippett]

Eh, the Eagles, Bills and Chiefs are legitimately elite. The Eagles have had a very soft schedule but they're at least blowing teams out. The Bills are in crisis mode but they've lost 3 games by a grand total of 8 points. They are a fumbled snap away from 7-2 and in the drivers seat for the AFC. I think they'll be fine but they have to dial Allen back a bit. Seems he's going full hero mode and it's led to crippling turnovers the past 2 weeks. The biggest challenge the rest of the way is they have dug an 0-2 hole in the division. If they get back to the top of the AFC East they do hold tiebreakers over KC, Baltimore and Tennessee so back in the mix for the bye and home field.

Miami and Minnesota are probably a tier below. Miami is 7-0 with Tua, but they are 5-0 in games decided by less than a score.Typically that sort of thing isn't sustainable. The Vikings are on an epic close game heater with the added warning sign that they are losing in most of them until pulling it out late. In Miami's case, their defense looks like garbage too.

This has to be the biggest concern for Miami. They will get rolled by KC’s offense, and likely the Bills too unless they can get that game in Miami. Their offense gives them a punchers chance against anyone, but that usually tapers off by January.

 

[wibi]

For those of you have seen the starting QB in female form I present to you

Spoiler: Belinda Belichick

Spoiler: Penelope Carroll

 

[Van Everyman]

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35025991/bill-belichick-wants-coach-challenges-allowed-2-minutes

I’m so happy he reiterated that everything should be reviewable:

"Provided the team has a challenge, they should have the opportunity to challenge really any play. I'm on record on that," Belichick said in his Monday videoconference.

In a Monday interview on sports radio WEEI, Belichick added: "There have been other examples of that, plays that have occurred in situations where teams couldn't challenge because the rules prohibited [it].

"I get forward progress, and things like that, that you can't challenge. I'm not talking about that. I'm saying not having the ability to challenge a play that could impact the outcome of the game -- even calls like holding and pass interference and things like that -- I don't see why those plays can't be reviewed [by a coach's challenge]."

 

[Oil Can Dan]

Their schedule is pretty weak from here on out.

at Indy might be tricky if the Colts get back on track, which is possible after yesterday
vs GB might be tricky if Rodgers figures it out with his receivers
vs Ten might be hard if Henry has a monster game
at NYG might be tricky if....well, no, I don't think that one will be difficult for Philly despite NYG's success this year
at Dal might be tricky if Dal plays to their potential

So some games that could cause them problems, but Philly should be favored in all those games, including at Dallas. I could see them losing one but not exactly "turning into a pumpkin". They're pretty darned good.

I don’t think they’re going undefeated. They might lose tonight. I do think they’ll get the all important #1 seed in the NFC though. They are a very well rounded team that does a lot of things really well. I’d say their weakness is their tackling, which is pretty sloppy at times.

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

Great start for Washington as usual. Holding on the opening kickoff.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Really undisciplined play by Philly on that punt block attempt. You don’t often see TWO rushers truck the punter like that.

EDIT - Heinicke had no sense for Sweat coming around the edge there.

 

[Ale Xander]

Can't remember when I was this uninterested in a MNF game

 

[ernieshore]

Can't remember when I was this uninterested in a MNF game

I thought I would at least check out the future Washington Fenways.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Philly D just got punched in the mouth

 

[Remagellan]

Impressive drive by Washington.

 

[luckiestman]

They were both pushing

 

[luckiestman]

Ticky tack pi calls suck

 

[speedracer]

refs know that you don't have to be facing the QB to be tracking the ball right?

 

[Remagellan]

It's tough for the defender not to draw the flag when the contact appears to make the receiver lose his feet.

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

Ron Rivera is the King of Clock. There is none higher.

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

Joey Slye, he's the guy.

 

[speedracer]

don't know exactly what happened but the camera now showing the offense on the field until :08 makes me think Rivera was slow on the go for it/kick call

 

[speedracer]

W needs a hold here

 

[Remagellan]

Terrible decision by Hurts. It's not a 50-50 ball if there are two defenders on your receiver.

 

[luckiestman]

Terrible decision by Hurts. It's not a 50-50 ball if there are two defenders on your receiver.

Replay shows it was more of a great defensive play. They set Hurts up. I thought it was impressive.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Philly’s D getting worked a bit here

 

[E5 Yaz]

Is Peyton in every commercial now?

 

[Remagellan]

Replay shows it was more of a great defensive play. They set Hurts up. I thought it was impressive.

I agree after seeing the replay. In real time, it looked like he threw into double coverage, because the camera arrived when the ball and the second defender were already there.

 

[Fred in Lynn]

I’m not so sure that was outside the pocket.

 

[BigSoxFan]

8/10 on 3rd downs for Wash

 

[speedracer]

Heinicke might have had that if he'd put it at the back pylon

 

[Remagellan]

Great tackle.

 

[Remagellan]

Hated that play but it worked.

 

[speedracer]

a handoff from under center on 4th and 1, what a novel idea

 

[luckiestman]

Sometimes nepotism works. Scott Turner runs a solid O

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

Taste it, Philly.

 

[luckiestman]

That man is strong

 

[BigSoxFan]

You can run on Philly. A healthy Cowboys team with Dak matches up well with this team, I think.

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

Joey Slye, that's my guy!

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Impressive half by Washington.

51 plays?! Wow.

 

[Sandwich Pick]

You can run on Philly. A healthy Cowboys team with Dak matches up well with this team, I think.

It's been a problem for a while. Especially the bad tackling. It's just been masked by the absurd turnover margin.

 

[Remagellan]

All the NFC East teams look pretty solid.

 

[JohnnyTheBone]

Oh what a throw that was.