Week 10 NFL Game Thread

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I actually thought the first roughing was borderline as well. Lamar released the ball and the defender was already engaged. I am ok with the call because it didn’t look great but don’t think it is was that heinous.
But the refs have been calling those sort of "de-cleat and land with all your weight on the QB" tackles as roughing pretty regularly. Edit, as stated above.
 

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That call was a no brainer. It doesn't matter when Lamar released the ball, whether the defender was engaged with him or not. It's not a roughing because the hit was late, it's roughing because the defender landed on Lamar with all of his weight, which has been an automatic roughing call for at least a couple years now.
fair point

really don’t have a problem with call and completely agree with what you said
 

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Arguably one of the more entertaining games of the year. This probably cost bettors a fair amount of money and Survivor Pools bloodbath.
 
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That call was a no brainer. It doesn't matter when Lamar released the ball, whether the defender was engaged with him or not. It's not a roughing because the hit was late, it's roughing because the defender landed on Lamar with all of his weight, which has been an automatic roughing call for at least a couple years now.
Except they mostly stopped calling that like a year ago. Or at best, it's called incredibly inconsistently compared to the first year when it was a focus area or whatever the NFL calls it.
 

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Miami's next 4 games: NYJ, CAR, NYG, bye, NYJ.
the best they can finish is 10-7

that is winning out, which wont happen.

to be a playoff team you probably have to be 10-7 with an outside shot of 9-8. Their season is over . Great win though. I don’t think Baltimore is very good. They have had to scrap out a lot of victories
 

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Except they mostly stopped calling that like a year ago. Or at best, it's called incredibly inconsistently compared to the first year when it was a focus area or whatever the NFL calls it.
I completely disagree with that. The new point of emphasis on that rule didn't even happen until 2018. So far this year, there have been major discussions surrounding that call (body weight) against Chase Young and Frank Clark. Through 5 weeks, the NFL was on pace to shatter the number of roughing the passer calls in a given season.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2021/josh-allen-and-nfls-roughing-passer-problem

That call is made 100 times out of 100 in today's NFL, unless some ref has his eyes closed. You cannot drive a QB into the ground with all of your body weight, without even attempting to roll off to the side or something. I don't love the rule, but it's absolutely been applied consistently for years. For the record, here is the rule itself:

  1. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.
 
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I completely disagree with that. The new point of emphasis on that rule didn't even happen until 2018. So far this year, there have been major discussions surrounding that call (body weight) against Chase Young and Frank Clark. Through 5 weeks, the NFL was on pace to shatter the number of roughing the passer calls in a given season.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/walkthrough/2021/josh-allen-and-nfls-roughing-passer-problem

That call is made 100 times out of 100 in today's NFL, unless some ref has his eyes closed. You cannot drive a QB into the ground with all of your body weight, without even attempting to roll off to the side or something. I don't love the rule, but it's absolutely been applied consistently for years. For the record, here is the rule itself:

  1. A rushing defender is prohibited from committing such intimidating and punishing acts as “stuffing” a passer into the ground or unnecessarily wrestling or driving him down after the passer has thrown the ball, even if the rusher makes his initial contact with the passer within the one-step limitation provided for in (a) above. When tackling a passer who is in a defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down or land on top of him with all or most of the defender’s weight. Instead, the defensive player must strive to wrap up the passer with the defensive player’s arms and not land on the passer with all or most of his body weight.
I think you’re right but reading that rule…woof. There are a half dozen discretionary assessments jammed into the text.
 

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I love when people do this, making it seem like every NFL game on a Sunday is perfect. But Thursday is some weird world where players forget how to play football.
I think it has more to do with teams playing on 4 days rest are probably not playing at the same level they would normally be.
 

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That’s exactly right. Doesn’t seem unreasonable to suggest that having 3 more days to recover from a weekly car crash makes a difference in players being able to perform at their highest levels.
Last Sunday, the Bills and Jags were in a pretty bad game. Miami Houston was also a utterly deplorably played game. The Chiefs v. Packers was a rock fight, filled with terrible offense.

I don't think the day of the week means the teams aren't ready. Sometimes, things just aren't working.
 

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Last Sunday, the Bills and Jags were in a pretty bad game. Miami Houston was also a utterly deplorably played game. The Chiefs v. Packers was a rock fight, filled with terrible offense.

I don't think the day of the week means the teams aren't ready. Sometimes, things just aren't working.
Don’t disagree at all that there are bad games every week, regardless of what day they’re played on. But it seems hard to argue that having more recovery and practice time, would, on balance, lead to players being able to perform at their optimal level. And maybe it’s just anecdotal, but thursday night seems to produce a higher number of poorly played slogs to me, particularly if both teams are on short rest.
 
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Under 46.5: CHECK!
Andrews TD: CHECK!
Ravens cover: FUCK YOU HARBAUGH

It was the easiest piece of the parlay!
My no brainer, couldn’t see it losing was
OVR 3 combined sacks
Gesicki and Andrews each over 40 yards

oops…
Would have never believed Miami would win without Gesicki even having a catch.

Admittedly, would have gone Baltimore ML too, but I’m a Dolphins fan.
Those 3 got me into + range, and like I said, how could it possibly lose?
 

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ESPN breathlessly reporting that Russell Wilson rehabbed his finger 20 hours a day post-surgery.

I wonder what about their self reported training habits the sports media WOULDN’T report without scrutiny.
 

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ESPN breathlessly reporting that Russell Wilson rehabbed his finger 20 hours a day post-surgery.

I wonder what about their self reported training habits the sports media WOULDN’T report without scrutiny.
Sleep is part of rehab, right?