I think going for 2 is the right move there. BAL scored TDs 4 straight possessions... you have a better chance of getting a stop in 30 seconds than you do if it goes to OT and they can run with Henry.
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I thought Gesicki would have been a bigger factor with no Higgins but he came up pretty small tonight. He needed to be a Robin to Chase’s Batman and he was barely Alfred.
This makes sense, but if tonight confirmed anything, it's that this version of the Ravens defense isn't going to stop the Chiefs
The refs will throw their flags when the Ravens defense holds and interferes against the Chiefs (unlike when they play the Bengals).
I would’ve kicked the XP but can’t fault Taylor for going for 2. Either choice required the Bengals D to prevent a game-winning FG in the final 30 seconds (it’s not like the Ravens would’ve knelt it out), so it’s a gut decision whether you like your odds of converting a 2PC better or worse than your odds of winning in OT.
Remember when some here were seriously arguing Lamar Jackson wouldn't be worth two first round picks and 280+ million dollars?
The real terrible decision was throwing two deep passes deep in the Ravens’ zone on third and fourth and short.
I love Burrow. And Taylor obviously seems to coach aspects of the game well. But man, does this Bengals team know how to underperform.
I love Burrow. And Taylor obviously seems to coach aspects of the game well. But man, does this Bengals team know how to underperform.
Also hard to blame him for the result when there were two blatant penalties. I think not was the right call.
This Ravens team might be able to outscore their bad defense though.
I'm not sure how you stop them. The Bengals did about as good a job as can be expected on Henry and the Ravens running game last night and they still gave up 35. I'm pretty sure no matter what Taylor decided on the 2-pointer, Lamar was going to get Tucker a kick. Lamar is having an all time season, he's on pace for 4,500 yards passing, 41 TD's, 4 INT's and 915 rushing yards. It's insane.
Until the Ravens and Lamar do it in the playoffs there will always be questions but to me this seems like a different Ravens team than some previous years. They've hit a new level on offense.
Also, I really hope the Beengals get in. Sorry to jman and any Indy fans out there but there can't be anybody who would prefer to watch Bo fucking Nix and Joe fucking Flacco in the playoffs and not Burrow. I want the Mahomes-Lamar-Allen-Burrow collision in January. Cincy is certainly flawed but if they got in, it is easy to see a white hot Burrow going on a run to the Super Bowl.
i would really like to see drake maye throwing to ja marr chase every sunday lol make it happen #1
Oh, for sure. There's some weird Lamar axe grinding that happens around here. Dude is awesome. So fun to watch. Like, if he was on the free market people wouldn't have wanted him QB'ing in Foxboro. Bat shit crazy.
I don't think even a fully healthy Bengals offense can outscore this defense. The Ravens at least have multiple playmakers on defense and have probably just underperformed so far (plus they've had to face Burrow twice) with a coordinator change. The Bengals have one pass rusher (who as great as he is doesn't really defend the run), one solid DT in BJ Hill and a whole lot of garbage. Lou got a ton of praise for the defense playing above their talent level in the two playoff runs, but this is the fourth awful defense he's coached in six years and they weren't elite even when they had Reader and Bates. There might be a reason his last full-time DC job before this was for the Merchant Marine Academy in 1994 and the Bengals only hired him after whiffing everywhere else. Being 4-6 with Burrow, Chase and Hendrickson playing at these levels is a roster and coaching failure of epic proportions.
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Why are you trading away Drake Maye to the Bengals??? I mean, sure, we could use some salary relief.
The Bengals offense plays to the level of the competition. The D does not have another gear, unless it is even slower. I would love to see #85 on the field for two consecutive weeks.
It's cool the refs just keep robbing Cincinnati in close games.
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Marcus Williams (safety for the Ravens #32) had one of the worst games I have seen from a safety. He was the one at fault on both of the long Chase TD's. Took a comically bad angle on the crosser TD and then bit on a Gesicki corner route which allowed Chase to waltz into the EZ...only he seemed to bite after the ball was thrown?
Good enough to make Ed Orgeron, whose prevous claim to fame was being the inspiration for the Assistant Coach in Waterboy, into a national championship coach.
Zero rooting interest and I have a fair amount of sympathy for refs. But I don't get how they could have missed the face mask on Burrows on the 1st play of the drive (it was 2 facemasks, egregious, and refs watch QBs like a hawk) and receivers just literally being held and thrown down on the last play.
Smart call to me to end a great game. And more power to the Bengals for not whining. But....the refs did kind of screw them.
And then owners complain about the bad reffing to Goodell, and he explains how much money it'll cost to improve the reffing, and the owners shut up and the cycle continues.
You do wonder if we'll get to the point where "New York" can call downstairs for any egregiously missed call. But then you get into the "they can call holding on every play" conundrum - how egregious must a missed call be for NY to get involved?
I don't trust the NFL to do this but I think it's pretty easy to apply a "materially affected the play" standard for these HQ overturns. Won't those who played and been involved in the game kind of know?
Blandino was on the Dan Patrick Show on Friday and alluded to this sort of thing. He said that on the coaches tape of the two-point play, he could see the Back Judge start to reach for his flag on the Gesicki hold, then stopped as it was clear Burrow had started to throw to the other side of the field.
So, had the play been directed toward Gesicki, the penalty likely would have been called. It's the old "there's a penalty committed on every play in every game" argument -- should it have been called anyway, since it was a foul? Or ignored because it had nothing to do with the way the play carried out?
I think a penalty's a penalty. If an official sees it to the extent of starting the process of throwing the flag, the flag should be thrown. It's so frigging inconsistent that -- in a crucial moment of a stand-alone game -- it's infuriating to watch
Yeah problem with opening up replayed for penalties missed... By my count on that Bengals play you have the following that you could call at minimum... Roughing the passer, hands to the face, Defense holding, Offensive holding, offensive pass interference.. and probably more.
In that case wouldn't it uphold that ending? None of the penalties really effected the play, all the backside stuff with Gesicki was irrelevant, Burrow doesn't get hit until after the throw.
Edit also holding probably effects like 80% of plays at least a little, we've just decided functional offense is good
In that case wouldn't it uphold that ending? None of the penalties really effected the play, all the backside stuff with Gesicki was irrelevant, Burrow doesn't get hit until after the throw.
Edit also holding probably effects like 80% of plays at least a little, we've just decided functional offense is good
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Gesicki one is questionable that close to the goal line. He was taken completely out of the play and when things get compressed I think that has a major effect on the offense. The hit to Burrows I would agree had no effect. He also seemed fine with it. I think most of these guys want to compete not get cheap fouls, as long as it's consistent.
Edit also holding probably effects like 80% of plays at least a little, we've just decided functional offense is good
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Gesicki one is questionable that close to the goal line. He was taken completely out of the play and when things get compressed I think that has a major effect on the offense. The hit to Burrows I would agree had no effect. He also seemed fine with it. I think most of these guys want to compete not get cheap fouls, as long as it's consistent.
Gesicki one would have been a terrible call.... he runs into two guys basically blocking to open the other passcatcher (offensive pass interference), then when the defender hooks him he takes a dive. While that is happening Burrow has completely turned away and started throwing. That's the exact thing you want the ref to ignore.
Burrow got slammed in the face, in a clear hands to the face penalty.
Is that also the exact thing you want the ref to ignore? I guess if it's Minnesota or Cinn, the refs will ignore it. If it's the Chiefs, 6 refs throw flags.
No that was the point... the roughing should have been called, the Gesicki one shouldn't, but replay assistance on penalties doesn't work in part because there are by the rules TONs of penalties on basically every play.
Or a first round pick Brady’s second to last season with us.
I get extending the Brady window as far as you can and how there may have been some doubts about what Lamar would translate into the NFL. But now that we know they’d already made the decision not to bring Brady back (which I believe both parties had agreed to by the 2018 offseason even tho the final deal wasn’t signed until 2019), not bringing in a successor for three more seasons is hard to defend. Especially when they used the two first round picks they had that year instead on Wynn and Sony and traded out of the Lamar pick.
I love Bill to death and the 2018 Super Bowl may be his single best defensive game plan but there is really no argument that he didn’t botch the post-Brady transition. And possibly before he left.
i get it but let look at ciny sch @ LAC PITT TWICE DEN they will lose at least 2 of those games
Indy has BUFF NYJ DET in the next 3 weeks that is at least 2 L and then @ DEN @ NYG both is must win
finaly on denver assmine a loss on sunday 5-5 with 7 games left as long as denver is 9-7 going in to week 18 KC thinks like u do but they dont not want ciny as the 7 because ciny can win in arrowhead denver and indy cant
That's the one case you can make is personal fouls, though even in that case.... during the run of play a PF can be offset.
I think the only place they clearly should use replay on "fouls" is punches, if you throw one you're done. There are a lot of missed calls and bad calls in every game, there always have been, at some point that's just part of the game.
It's against the Giants but......
For the 2nd straight week, Bryce Young and the Panthers offense look competent.
For the 2nd straight week, Bryce Young and the Panthers offense look competent.
At least Joe Schoen won''t have to shop around this offseason to trade up for a pick to get his next QB.
Interesting. Giants have a Scottish punter and kicker.
Although Gano is Scottish American. His Dad was my Command Master Chief in Scotland.
Small world. Wonder is there's any relation to Gordon Gano of Violent Femmes fame?
Wife (NYG fan) and I almost tried to go to this game. Beyond thankful we did not waste a Germany trip for this.
I know the Maras are slow to fire guys and gave a vote of support but.... this team is imploding, not sure I see how Daboll and Schoen survive if it continues like this