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just rotten. We have to endure this stupid PI review rule because of a colossal missed call and meanwhile nothing is better. I think it’s time to try full time refs.
 

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That sequence of officiating in the 4th quarter has to be one of the worst I've ever seen in the NFL for helping another team. This wasn't just one huge missed call like the Saints/Rams playoff game...this was multiple egregious calls or non-calls (like PI against GB on the 2nd down Stafford pass of the Lions final possession) all in favor of the packers and all of them absolutely crucial to them winning the game.

What a fucking dumpster fire.
 

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Was it last season or two seasons ago NE lost a game on terrible hands to face penalties? Almost makes me think those calls are in the refs back pocket for when they need to tilt a game. I'm really struggling to think of another reason they would miss those two calls that badly.
 

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Parry is not gonna shit on his old buddies, and Tessitore isn’t going to do anything to piss off ESPN or the league because he wants this job for the next 20 years. At least McDonough would utter a cross word about the league.

Good for Booger, I don’t love him as a regular color guy but at the end he was effectively channeling his righteous indignation about the officiating.
 

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And absolutely nothing will change. We will keep watching, the NFL reffing will keep sucking, and on it goes.
I think that people keep watching because of the controversies. I think so long as people are talking the ratings just keep going up and people tune in next week to see it again. The Calvin Johnson catch no catch fueled two years of interest in the NFL.

The only thing that could get the NFL is point shaving.
 

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the last call was missed because the GB O-line guy tilted his head up like it was hands to the face and a brief glance from the ref's angle looked like it was on the helmet, not the shoulder pad - depth of field issue. an NFL ref needs to see it better, but there's no conspiracy here, they're just bad.
 

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the last call was missed because the GB O-line guy tilted his head up like it was hands to the face and a brief glance from the ref's angle looked like it was on the helmet, not the shoulder pad - depth of field issue. an NFL ref needs to see it better, but there's no conspiracy here, they're just bad.
I think the ump called the penalty.
 

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Those calls could have serious ramifications for playoff seeding. If I’m the Niners, Saints, Seahawks, Vikings, etc., I’m as pissed as the Lions are right now.
 

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Hands-to-the-face penalties could have been called on offense instead of Flowers. Lineman had his hands in Flowers' face.
 

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Oh, agreed. Pointing out that this is a theme for Parry early in his retirement from officiating and debut as TV ref.
And I would agree that this is probably the dynamic at play. Perreira is really the only guy who has ever done this well and it’s probably partly because guys like Stertore are terrible but also because he ran the officiating operation as opposed to being a referee himself.
 

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and the non-call DPI

Three brutal wrong calls/non-calls at crucial moments in the last 10 minutes of a game.

With a Lions win, Packers would have been 4-2, Lions 3-1-1... instead it's 5-1 and 2-2-1.
 

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This was the first phantom H2F penalty, the on that really cost them the game.
 

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That’s incredible. Just. Make. Everything. Reviewable.
Per Reddit:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/comments/di28ax/raise_your_hand_if_youve_ever_been_personally


Oh hey, the NFL full-time referee program has been suspended this year but no harm no foul, Riveron!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001035651/article/nfl-suspends-fulltime-officiating-program-for-season
Senior Vice President of Officiating Al Riveron confirmed Friday the NFL has put its full-time officials' program on hiatus. Riveron told NFL Network's Omar Ruiz on Friday from the NFL Officiating Clinic that the full-time program won't be used this season.

"Unfortunately right now for this year that program will not be used," Riveron said. "However, like I said, we use our officials during the year, we take them out to the clubs, we take them out to meetings still, that program in a way will continue, not just by the name that we call it now."

ESPN first reported that the program would go away in 2019 as part of ongoing labor discussions with the Referees Association.
 

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The Lions fell apart mentally and defensively after the first hands to the face penalty. Patricia is not a good coach.
This. No surprise the Patriots defense actually got better once he left. Maybe one of the most overrated coaches the Patriots have ever had.
 

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The Lions fell apart mentally and defensively after the first hands to the face penalty. Patricia is not a good coach.
If your team got screwed like the Lions got unbelievably screwed last night, you would be apoplectic. And you would be right to do so. It's absurd to put this loss on Patricia. There were multiple screw jobs, (at least 3) each of them humongous.

The league has a problem. There is no solution.
 

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If your team got screwed like the Lions got unbelievably screwed last night, you would be apoplectic. And you would be right to do so. It's absurd to put this loss on Patricia. There were multiple screw jobs, (at least 3) each of them humongous.

The league has a problem. There is no solution.
Seriously. If Pats went down like that against the Jets next week, this board would be a disaster zone. Both calls against Flowers were just awful and they sandwiched a DPI non-call on GB that would have been huge for Detroit. That’s 3 major calls that all went GB’s way in the 4th quarter. You give Rodgers a million extra chances and eventually he’ll convert.

I love when people use the “well, you didn’t play a perfect game so you had your chances” logic after a team gets screwed by the refs. Simple fact of the matter is that Lions were better than GB last night but refs stole the win from them.
 

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This. No surprise the Patriots defense actually got better once he left. Maybe one of the most overrated coaches the Patriots have ever had.
Hard to say they mentally fell apart when they had forced a 4th down and worst case should have had the ball with 1:20 left down 1 with the best long kicker in the game. DET literally didn't touch the ball the rest of the game when the refs robbed them a third time.
 

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Seriously. If Pats went down like that against the Jets next week, this board would be a disaster zone. Both calls against Flowers were just awful and they sandwiched a DPI non-call on GB that would have been huge for Detroit. That’s 3 major calls that all went GB’s way in the 4th quarter. You give Rodgers a million extra chances and eventually he’ll convert.

I love when people use the “well, you didn’t play a perfect game so you had your chances” logic after a team gets screwed by the refs. Simple fact of the matter is that Lions were better than GB last night but refs stole the win from them.
It's not that the calls were made or not made. It's that each of them was egregiously wrong, and game changing.

If your player commits a foul in a huge spot and it gets called, it sucks but a penalty is a penalty. Those hands to the '"jersey neck" calls were abominable. There is no excuse. The first one was bad. The second one makes it looks like the league is fixed. Because all you're doing there is throwing another bad call, THE SAME CALL, after the first bad call.

WWE style reffing there.
 

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I understand that the Lions special teams made two huge errors that cost them, (although their kicker Prater is legit, we could use him.)
But that does not negate the criminal officiating job against the Lions. I mean I get home field advantage, but come on.
 

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It almost looks like the ref meant to say hands to the face on offense, but said defense by mistake....and after the announcement was afraid to reverse it.
 

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Oh hey, the NFL full-time referee program has been suspended this year but no harm no foul, Riveron!
This is probably not the place to ask, but - are MLB umpires and NBA or NHL referees generally full-time employees? I know in MLB they make decent money, as they should, so they could probably not have any other employment if they didn't want to. Just trying to figure out if there's precedent for that being a profession. Given how readily you can be turfed out for basic on-job mistakes or just general league politics, and that you have no real financial upside, it seems like being full-time would be a bit of a sucker's bet for the ref themselves.
 

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This is probably not the place to ask, but - are MLB umpires and NBA or NHL referees generally full-time employees? I know in MLB they make decent money, as they should, so they could probably not have any other employment if they didn't want to. Just trying to figure out if there's precedent for that being a profession. Given how readily you can be turfed out for basic on-job mistakes or just general league politics, and that you have no real financial upside, it seems like being full-time would be a bit of a sucker's bet for the ref themselves.
MLB / NBA / NHL pretty much have to be full time, at least during the season, due to the nature of the travel. The NFL playing once a week makes things more tricky.
 

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The incredible sequence...

GB ball, down 22-13, 10:24 left in the game. Facing 3rd and 10 from the Det 45. Rodgers is sacked, forcing 4th and 10 from the Det 45. Not in FG range, not gonna go for it in that situation. They stopped GB cold. No, wait, flag on Flowers for a totally fictitious hands-to-the-face penalty. 5 yards, automatic first down. On 3rd and 5 from the Det 35, Rodgers hits Lazard at the pylon. Replay shows that Lazard's knee was down with the ball in possession half a yard short of the goal line. Ruled a TD and nary a comment on the fact that it was short. TD stands. GB cuts the lead to 22-20.

Det ball, up 22-20, with 7:08 left in the game. Facing 2nd and 6 from the Det 41. Stafford tries to hit Jones deep down the left side and the Packer defender hits Jones across the arms and chest well before the ball arrives. Announcers all universally agree that absolutely should have been DPI. No call. Would have been 1st and 10 for the Lions at about the Packer 22 or 23 yard line. No flag. Nothing. Lions punt.

GB ball, down 22-20, with 1:45 left in the game. Facing 3rd and 4 from the Det 16. Rodgers throws incomplete into the end zone and the Lions get a stop. But there's a flag on the play. Hands-to-the-face against Flowers. Again. Same call. And once again, Flowers had the OL by the shoulder pad, not anywhere near the face. Same call. Flowers did nothing wrong. Again. Packers would have had to kick the FG giving Det the ball with about 1:30 left down a point. Instead, GB was able to run out the clock and kick the chip shot FG to win.

Of course the Lions could have done some things better last night. But they got completely screwed in this game.
 

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Working class team worked over by a starfucker League. That’s exactly what it looks like.
 

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So what do you call that kind of coverage? The QB looks and sees 6 guys ready to rush, one linebacker, and then 6 more DBs.
 

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Trey Flowers hadn't had an IHTTF call against him in his entire career prior to last night, correct?
 

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Lol didn’t catch this in real time but the Packers had 13 players on the field on the drive after the Lions got flagged for 12 on the FG attempt. What a clusterfuck.

View: https://twitter.com/sbrsportspicks/status/1183946483105595392?s=21
This isn't necessarily a foul. The defensive team needs to be in formation, the snap must be imminent, and nobody must be trying to get off the field. If the team recognizes it before or just as the flag is thrown they can call a timeout and it will be granted instead of the foul.

A screenshot for these plays is kind of like posting a picture of the center in the paint and crying that the refs missed 3 seconds.
 

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This isn't necessarily a foul. The defensive team needs to be in formation, the snap must be imminent, and nobody must be trying to get off the field. If the team recognizes it before or just as the flag is thrown they can call a timeout and it will be granted instead of the foul.

A screenshot for these plays is kind of like posting a picture of the center in the paint and crying that the refs missed 3 seconds.
Agreed....though in the pic the snap looks pretty damned imminent.
 

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It looks like in that photo several players are attempting to call TO, FWIW.
 

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It looks like in that photo several players are attempting to call TO, FWIW.
I also just found this on the play by play transcript:


  • (5:22 - 2nd) Timeout #1 by GB at 05:22.


So yeah, this is trying to make something out of nothing on this particular play.
 

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Those calls were late too. On the first one to Flowers, I think Rodgers was already down before the ref started reaching for the flag.
I can understand why some are yelling fix.
 

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I mean, all cries of "fix" are stupid because the NFL would be betting billions of dollars of franchise and TV value on something truly penny-ante. The refs are incompetent. But incompetence is on a spectrum, and this game was pretty far off the edge of that spectrum. Say what you will about the Robey-Coleman non-call in the NFCCG, at least that was one isolated event. This was literally 6, 7, 8 calls, all of them bad, all of them favoring the home team, many of them mattering a good deal to the outcome. Whoever compared it to the replacement-refs performance was spot on, right down to the last-second win by Aaron Rodgers.