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I’m a fan of the NBA but they need to do something about end-of-game situations - turned on the game shortly before 9 and there were 6 minutes left, took another half an hour from then before the game ended.
 

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I would not have predicted Miami would own a 46-34 rebounding advantage. Also surprised to see the Bucks go 14-26 from the charity stripe including Giannis going 4-12. Woof.
 

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Giannis is incredibly skilled but he’s so unskilled at one of the most fundamental basketball skills, shooting, that it makes him seem less skilled than he really is, if that makes any sense. Clanging FTs in clutch situations when your entire offensive game is driving to the basket is a problem.
 

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He's the most dominant player the in the league and deserving of his MVPs. I still think his footwork, shooting, passing, and handle are mediocre.
I get that he is an athletic level above but you don't think his two step from halfcourt drives and glides to the hoop don't involve a lot of footwork and skill?
 

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Giannis is the least skilled MVP of the modern era.
Giannis is incredibly skilled but he’s so unskilled at one of the most fundamental basketball skills, shooting, that it makes him seem less skilled than he really is, if that makes any sense. Clanging FTs in clutch situations when your entire offensive game is driving to the basket is a problem.
Other than Durant, and maybe Dirk, Giannis is more skilled than any other MVP in league history who was 6-10 or taller.
 

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Whoever Jeff Fischer's agent is must be amazing at their job if they got that salty mediocrity a paying commercial gig.
 

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He's the most dominant player the in the league and deserving of his MVPs. I still think his footwork, shooting, passing, and handle are mediocre.
To me he seems to be completely out of control a lot and if he wasn't GA he'd get called for a lot more travels and offensive fouls IMO and wouldn't get bailed out as often when he's out of control and misses layups or creates the contact. But his drives on the fast break are very effective. If you can stay in front of his body.. like Smart does.. he has a lot of problems. It's hard to do though because his steps are so long.
 

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Other than Durant, and maybe Dirk, Giannis is more skilled than any other MVP in league history who was 6-10 or taller.
I do not know what skills you are referring to, (I suspect the argument here is athleticism, but I don't know) but KAJ at 7' 2"and with IIRC 6 MVPs and Olajuwon at 7" with one, (but playing in the era of Bird, Magic and MJ) were pretty skilled players, and IMO Greek Freak ain't them, yet.
 

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Cant call a T there. Of course, Paul should know better than to put himself in that situation
 

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I do not know what skills you are referring to, (I suspect the argument here is athleticism, but I don't know) but KAJ at 7' 2"and with IIRC 6 MVPs and Olajuwon at 7" with one, (but playing in the era of Bird, Magic and MJ) were pretty skilled players, and IMO Greek Freak ain't them, yet.
Giannis is a better shooter and ball-handler than Kareem or Olajuwon were, and probably a better passer too. We remember those guys as skilled because most of their contemporaries couldn’t do much outside the paint.

I’d rate Kareem the third-best player in the history of the game, so this is certainly not a knock on him. It was just a different game in those days.
 

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As for MIL-MIA series, here's an interesting breakdown (with film!) of series by someone who predicted MIA in six: https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/bucks-vs-heat-nba-playoffs-round-2-betting-odds-futures-prices-2020.

His main criticism of MIL is that Budenholzer doesn't make adjustments. I;ve not seen enough of MIL over the last couple of years to know for sure how accurate it is but Budenholzer didn't make adjustments when Cs beat the 2 seasons ago.

Will be interesting in seeing if he changes up MIK's defense at all. MIL seems to be lacking foot speed on defense (other than GA) and didn't have any answers for Dragic and Butler given the spacing that MIA's shooting provides but maybe there's an adjustment that can be made. MIL doesn't seem to have a defender that can match up to Butler other than GA; wonder if MIL goes to that.
 

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I like 35 year old CP's chances vs. Harden and Russ in a game 7. And i know how sad that sounds.
 

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Giannis is a better shooter and ball-handler than Kareem or Olajuwon were, and probably a better passer too. We remember those guys as skilled because most of their contemporaries couldn’t do much outside the paint.

I’d rate Kareem the third-best player in the history of the game, so this is certainly not a knock on him. It was just a different game in those days.
It was a different game, but I think you are severely undervaluing how skilled those guys were. Both were hugely dominant all-time great low-post players and Olajuwon may have been the 2nd best defensive center in NBA history. Both would be dominant today. GF is a great player, (his 3 pt shot is below average) but I do not think he's as good as either one of those guys. Maybe he will be one day, but he isn't now.

we're going to disagree.
 

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Too many smart people in here to clog this thread with memes. But if you need a good laugh, there are some great Westbrook ones going around right now.
 

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Too many smart people in here to clog this thread with memes. But if you need a good laugh, there are some great Westbrook ones going around right now.
I mean, there are 7-turnover games ... and then there are the insane passes he flung all over the court tonight, mostly unforced. I expect him to brick shots, but not sure I’ve ever seen him brick that many passes.
 

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Rusty Russ is trash. Fuck. I can't believe D'Antoni didn't get Harden the ball in the last few possessions. Insane coaching (or lack thereof).
 

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I love you guys. Live look at me in the 4th
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Lost in Dame's shot last year was a virtuoso Westbrook 4q that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. D'Antoni cant afford another flame out, gotta get that ball out his hands in the 4th
 
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Giannis is about to win his second MVP award at age 25, something only equaled by Kareem and Lebron. He's one of just 5 players (along with Jordan, Olajuwon, Garnett and Robinson) to win both the DPOY and MVP, and again, he's 25. Improvement going forward isn't only possible, it's probable (7 years in the NBA, his ppg and rpg have increased every single year). The advanced stats say he's coming off one of the most statistically impressive seasons ever. His PER was 31.86, the best single season mark of all time (the top 13 seasons on the list are all Wilt, Jordan, Lebron, Curry and Giannis). He did that while having the 7th highest usage rate (37.54%) of all time.

Calling him the least skilled anything is ridiculous.
 
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Budenholzer made zero adjustments when the Celtics beat the Bucks 2 seasons ago because he was the coach of the Hawks. Joe Prunty was Bucks head coach in that series and is now out of the league.
That explains it!

(God my memory is shot. Thanks for correction.)
 
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I must have missed something, what did I do?
Junk highlights packages had kluged together playoff game 6 with the ending from a regular season game, and that messed me up when comparing to the reported result, because Who Does That, and so I figured (wrongly) that a stat stringer had messed up in recording the final result for the NBA somewhere along the line.