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Is this thread a catch-all for anything basketball related at the moment? I'm generally frustrated about the lack of news about what the NBA, NFL, MLB, etc. are planning and how and when they think they *might* get started again...mainly because I'm desperate for any meaningful, present or future tense sports content, even of the "informed speculation" variety. So when I click on this thread I'm hoping for news relating to the restart, good or bad, not articles about the past. (Nothing personal, SRN!)
Well I'd say the fact that we're in May and the general feeling from the nba is "everything" is on the table is not a good sign. Seems like theyre grasping at straws.

If you follow soccer, the Bundesliga just got cleared and will be starting next Friday (with many other top leagues after).
 

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Is the league doing antibody testing? Seems like that information would have disproportional benefit in planning.

e.g. if you’re wondering whether a player can have a spotter on lifts, it’s sufficient for either the spotter or the player to have antibodies. If the player doesn’t have them, he can use a spotter who does.

Same applies in drills, which would go a long way to eliminating unfairness concerns between teams/players.

Most of this is completely inapplicable at scale in the normal population, but for a group of motivated people with a lot of money at stake in a common enterprise, it’s absolutely doable.
 

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The FDA has yanked the leash on all 165 Ab tests they gave emergency approval to and said “prove you work”. Unfortunately, most of them detect Ab to any coronavirus and are therefore, useless.
 

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Is the league doing antibody testing? Seems like that information would have disproportional benefit in planning.

e.g. if you’re wondering whether a player can have a spotter on lifts, it’s sufficient for either the spotter or the player to have antibodies. If the player doesn’t have them, he can use a spotter who does.

Same applies in drills, which would go a long way to eliminating unfairness concerns between teams/players.

Most of this is completely inapplicable at scale in the normal population, but for a group of motivated people with a lot of money at stake in a common enterprise, it’s absolutely doable.
100% agree. While POTUS gets most of the macro blame for lack of testing (and that screwball deserves plenty of it) the lack of micro testing of healthy/younger individuals in sports/entertainment/finance is perplexing.

Beyond greatly missing NCAA/NBA hoops, I miss the day-to-day banter around here.

A nice two-part article in the Athletic.
Part 1: Hayward/Tatum
Part 2: Rookie failures/trade suggestions/roster building

https://theathletic.com/1793164/2020/05/06/state-of-the-celtics-down-on-the-rookies/?source=dailyemail
Hollinger tossed out two trade targets: John Collins and Bjelicia

My favorite trade actually doesn’t involve Kanter at all — it would be Romeo Langford and all three first-round picks this year to Atlanta for John Collins. Do the Hawks do that? Maybe not, but it’s worth pursuing because Collins’ salary this year is low enough to minimize the tax implications for Boston. He’s due for a huge raise next year, but Hayward’s $34 million comes off the books at the same time. It’s a dance, especially if they want to avoid the luxury tax, but it’s potentially manageable.

The other player they should be calling about is Nemanja Bjelica, who has one year left at $7.1 million with Sacramento. The Kings have playoff ambitions, but have to at least think about cashing in their stock on him given the crowded frontcourt in Sacramento. Kanter and Poirier offer a salary match, and then it becomes a question of what draft equity it would take. Is the likely 17th pick from Memphis too much? What about picks 26 and 30 (the Milwaukee pick and Boston’s own pick)?


I kind of agree that adding a skilled 4 is all that stands in the way of serious 2021 Championship contention (Theis is NOT a 4).

Anyways, hope all of you guys are well.
 

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The FDA has yanked the leash on all 165 Ab tests they gave emergency approval to and said “prove you work”. Unfortunately, most of them detect Ab to any coronavirus and are therefore, useless.
The FDA recently approved some better ones from Roche Labs, and there are some other ones coming on line in May that are expected to be much better.
 

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The FDA recently approved some better ones from Roche Labs, and there are some other ones coming on line in May that are expected to be much better.
Yeah, I should make it clear that my comment was COMPLETELY predicated on the existence of reliable antibody testing.
 

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100% agree. While POTUS gets most of the macro blame for lack of testing (and that screwball deserves plenty of it) the lack of micro testing of healthy/younger individuals in sports/entertainment/finance is perplexing.

Beyond greatly missing NCAA/NBA hoops, I miss the day-to-day banter around here.

A nice two-part article in the Athletic.
Part 1: Hayward/Tatum
Part 2: Rookie failures/trade suggestions/roster building

https://theathletic.com/1793164/2020/05/06/state-of-the-celtics-down-on-the-rookies/?source=dailyemail
Hollinger tossed out two trade targets: John Collins and Bjelicia

My favorite trade actually doesn’t involve Kanter at all — it would be Romeo Langford and all three first-round picks this year to Atlanta for John Collins. Do the Hawks do that? Maybe not, but it’s worth pursuing because Collins’ salary this year is low enough to minimize the tax implications for Boston. He’s due for a huge raise next year, but Hayward’s $34 million comes off the books at the same time. It’s a dance, especially if they want to avoid the luxury tax, but it’s potentially manageable.

The other player they should be calling about is Nemanja Bjelica, who has one year left at $7.1 million with Sacramento. The Kings have playoff ambitions, but have to at least think about cashing in their stock on him given the crowded frontcourt in Sacramento. Kanter and Poirier offer a salary match, and then it becomes a question of what draft equity it would take. Is the likely 17th pick from Memphis too much? What about picks 26 and 30 (the Milwaukee pick and Boston’s own pick)?


I kind of agree that adding a skilled 4 is all that stands in the way of serious 2021 Championship contention (Theis is NOT a 4).

Anyways, hope all of you guys are well.
Who are the current NBA 4s whom Jaylen Brown can't cover? The dude is big and long, and getting more jacked by the year. He already credibly defends LeBron, who is about as much of a load down low as it gets. On offense, the mismatch he gives against slow/big 4s on the wing is one of the Celtics biggest advantages longterm, and they'd be fools to give that up for John Collins.

Giving up 3 (!) firsts plus Langford for Collins seems insane, given that he's going to get paid. If he was cost-controlled, and you intended to use him at the 5, then he'd be awesome, but that's not happening. Moves like that are how Philly fucked up the best young 2-man core in the league.

Hollinger also clearly hadn't watched Langford at all, and was just reading off his and Robert Williams' BBRef stats in evaluating them. I don't think either of those two are the Second Coming, but it was lazy, mailed in analysis.
 

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The FDA recently approved some better ones from Roche Labs, and there are some other ones coming on line in May that are expected to be much better.
That’s the one that the UW virology lab is using. It seems to have an 100% sensitivity and a 99.8 % specificity and will take a while to ramp up. You have no idea how many crappy Ab tests there are out there aiming to separate people from their money.
 

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Who are the current NBA 4s whom Jaylen Brown can't cover? The dude is big and long, and getting more jacked by the year. He already credibly defends LeBron, who is about as much of a load down low as it gets. On offense, the mismatch he gives against slow/big 4s on the wing is one of the Celtics biggest advantages longterm, and they'd be fools to give that up for John Collins.

Giving up 3 (!) firsts plus Langford for Collins seems insane, given that he's going to get paid. If he was cost-controlled, and you intended to use him at the 5, then he'd be awesome, but that's not happening. Moves like that are how Philly fucked up the best young 2-man core in the league.

Hollinger also clearly hadn't watched Langford at all, and was just reading off his and Robert Williams' BBRef stats in evaluating them. I don't think either of those two are the Second Coming, but it was lazy, mailed in analysis.
I didn't get the impression Hollinger had watched Grant Williams closely, at least once Williams got past his 3-drought. Any analyst who doesn't take into account the picks Williams set and the hustle plays he makes is never going to be high on him.
 

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Who are the current NBA 4s whom Jaylen Brown can't cover? The dude is big and long, and getting more jacked by the year. He already credibly defends LeBron, who is about as much of a load down low as it gets. On offense, the mismatch he gives against slow/big 4s on the wing is one of the Celtics biggest advantages longterm, and they'd be fools to give that up for John Collins.

Giving up 3 (!) firsts plus Langford for Collins seems insane, given that he's going to get paid. If he was cost-controlled, and you intended to use him at the 5, then he'd be awesome, but that's not happening. Moves like that are how Philly fucked up the best young 2-man core in the league.

Hollinger also clearly hadn't watched Langford at all, and was just reading off his and Robert Williams' BBRef stats in evaluating them. I don't think either of those two are the Second Coming, but it was lazy, mailed in analysis.
I'm not sure I said anywhere that Jaylen Brown is an issue?

John Collins is excellent and getting better. I'm not sure if you're comparing an older/more expensive Tobias Harris to him but that's preposterous if you are? You always deal a half dollar and a few dimes for a dollar, especially for a 22yr old John Collins (there is little chance the Hawks would deal him). The guy is a future All-Star. Collins would start getting paid once Gordon Hayward left (and the C's would only have Kemba on for 2 more seasons at that point). Why wouldn't CBS use a guy like Collins as the skilled/small-ball 5 in a closeout lineup? He's bigger then Theis and he played half his minutes at the 5 this past season.

Tatum/Collins/Brown would be your BIG3 for the next half dozen seasons. Just surround them with cheap/fungible BIGs, veteran ball handlers, and role players.

I like Romeo, he was OK, but this year's draft reeks of mediocrity, plus add in the roster crunch the Celtics are facing. I'd like to see Danny move a bunch of youngsters from the end of the roster + 2020 draft picks for a skilled, rotational player this Summer. Does Robert Williams have much value left? The guy has no ability to stay on the court and improve his game. He's cheap and under control but they can easily find skilled veteran centers on the cheap for many years to come.
 
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I'm not sure I said anywhere that Jaylen Brown is an issue?

John Collins is excellent and getting better. I'm not sure if you're comparing an older/more expensive Tobias Harris to him but that's preposterous if you are? You always deal a half dollar and a few dimes for a dollar, especially for a 22yr old John Collins (there is little chance the Hawks would deal him). The guy is future All-Star. Collins would start getting paid once Gordon Hayward left (and the C's would only have Kemba on for 2 more seasons at that point). Why wouldn't CBS use a guy like Collins as the skilled/small-ball 5 in a closeout lineup? He's bigger then Theis and he played half his minutes at the 5 this past season.

Tatum/Collins/Brown would be your BIG3 for the next half dozen seasons. Just surround them with cheap/fungible BIGs, veteran ball handlers, and role players.

I like Romeo, he was OK, but this year's draft reeks of mediocrity, plus add in the roster crunch the Celtics are facing. I'd like to see Danny move a bunch of youngsters from the end of the roster + 2020 draft picks for a skilled, rotational player this Summer. Does Robert Williams have much value left? The guy has no ability to stay on the court and improve his game. He's cheap and under control but they can easily find skilled veteran centers on the cheap for many years to come.
Yeah, I guess it comes down to where you see Collins long-term. I think that a) he’s a 5 b) he’ll get a near-max c) it’s really really hard to build a roster that pays a 5 huge money unless he’s a top-15 player and d) John Collins doesn’t have that upside.

I feel strongly about (a) and (c), but (b) and (d) are evaluations of the market and Collins, and I should probably not make such strong statements there. I’d have to watch Collins more.

If I came away after that thinking he can’t be an elite defender, it’s really hard positionally for him to be worth that resource allocation, especially when you also give up pick/player equity. Conversely, if I thought he could be that guy, it’s the kind of deal I’d be open to.
 

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Yeah, I guess it comes down to where you see Collins long-term. I think that a) he’s a 5 b) he’ll get a near-max c) it’s really really hard to build a roster that pays a 5 huge money unless he’s a top-15 player and d) John Collins doesn’t have that upside.

I feel strongly about (a) and (c), but (b) and (d) are evaluations of the market and Collins, and I should probably not make such strong statements there. I’d have to watch Collins more.

If I came away after that thinking he can’t be an elite defender, it’s really hard positionally for him to be worth that resource allocation, especially when you also give up pick/player equity. Conversely, if I thought he could be that guy, it’s the kind of deal I’d be open to.
(a) I see JC as a 4 (power wing) that can play a small-ball 5 when you want the offense to be unstoppable.
(b) Collins will get maxed
(c) The C's will have their collection of cheap 5s (you need lots of them since they get injured quite often) to play the majority of physical minutes

I'd like Danny to find a player under 25, that lines up with JT/JB, to create a BIG3. IMO their offense would be absurd at the end of games with JC at the 5, his defense under Brad would be more than fine.

Basically Danny could sit tight and watch JT/JB continue to develop. They'll be title contenders even under that scenario.... so it's not the worst idea in the world to do nothing and hope Romeo or a draft pick becomes the 3rd sidekick

Either way, its good to be back tussling/speculating over the Celtics bright future :redwine:
 
FWIW, I'm equally perplexed as a Hawks fan about what the Hawks should do with Collins. Atlanta has cap space, and Collins is very good...but will he ever be great? Can Trae + Collins be the core of a title-contending team? I don't think so. So where does Collins fit into the rebuilding process? There's no obvious right answer.
 

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Basically Danny could sit tight and watch JT/JB continue to develop. They'll be title contenders even under that scenario.... so it's not the worst idea in the world to do nothing and hope Romeo or a draft pick becomes the 3rd sidekick

Either way, its good to be back tussling/speculating over the Celtics bright future :redwine:
Yeah, the bolded is what I was getting at when I compared the situation to that of the Sixers: as soon as you go all-in on a guy to fit with your core, he better be that guy, or you can really be trapped, even with elite talent.

I agree with going all-in for a 3rd guy, but I don't see him out there yet, so I'd probably be content to run it back with the current top 6 and try to find some complementary parts cheap, while waiting to see if any of last year's or this year's picks really pop.
 

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Anyone have a clue as to why the Cavs want to restart practice? They have no shot to make the playoffs. Just take your ping pong balls and stay home.
 

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The FDA has yanked the leash on all 165 Ab tests they gave emergency approval to and said “prove you work”. Unfortunately, most of them detect Ab to any coronavirus and are therefore, useless.
Also, in addition to what he said above, we have had many people here (my nursing home) who have had the virus, who then tested negative for the antibody, so ….
 

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Also, in addition to what he said above, we have had many people here (my nursing home) who have had the virus, who then tested negative for the antibody, so ….
From the article below, it could be that they were tested too early. It appears that when folks with confirmed cases that tested negative for antibodies initially tested positive on a retest:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/health/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence.html
Mt Sinai also likely used a much more robust test than those available on the consumer market.
 

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That was fun. We should be in the midst of the conference semifinals right now. :(
 
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Silver tells the players no decision needs to be made in May or June. Like at this point, it's not even relatively close to the same seem. Please dont call whatever this is the NBA championship.

Call it the "America is bored, here you go" championship
 

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Seems like the Vegas/Orlando thing is the most likely outcome.
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Sources: Silver told players that he still hoped that the playoffs would include a 7-game series in every round. He told players that those series could move faster without the need for travel, staying in a single site. Orlando and Vegas still tops.
 

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I’d be surprised if many of the vets here who lack kelly green colored glasses didn’t agree with Hollinger’s general points.

I am higher on Langford than he is, but otherwise he’s right on: Grant is productive but playoff role depends on his offense; Carsen shoot too poorly this year to be Useful but still has a shot; consolidating yet more 1sts into a proven big does make some sense.

i don’t love Collins’ game but I’d do that deal.
 

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I was irrationally stoked when Sir Wardell was #2 off the board after King James, and when Kyrie got boned.

I need help.
 

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I was irrationally stoked when Sir Wardell was #2 off the board after King James, and when Kyrie got boned.

I need help.
The KD blog boy comment elicited a chuckle from my Dubs fan son.

As a side note, I don't love all the players who have won a championship with the teams I root for (e.g. Jesus Shuttlesworth) but I can't hate on them. Meanwhile, more than a few Warriors fans seem to hate Durant. He really isn't wrong about not being embraced by parts of the fanbase.
 

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I’d be surprised if many of the vets here who lack kelly green colored glasses didn’t agree with Hollinger’s general points.

I am higher on Langford than he is, but otherwise he’s right on: Grant is productive but playoff role depends on his offense; Carsen shoot too poorly this year to be Useful but still has a shot; consolidating yet more 1sts into a proven big does make some sense.

i don’t love Collins’ game but I’d do that deal.
To be fair, their rookies shouldn’t be great because the picks weren’t great. But I don’t think that’s the end-all given the presence of two young studs (one of which is a genuine superstar).

I would also do the Collins deal and I trust Ainge is doing the due diligence to begin building around the Jays.

I kind of joked above about Tatum being chosen in the GoZ episode but, in reality, this kind of exposure (+ all star game type stuff) is great and how future super teams are born behind the scenes. The perception of stardom is as important as the reality.

But let’s be honest Romeo is a two way stud.
 

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Romeo has the potential to be a to a stud. And that’s a beautiful thing.

I pray that they have a 2020 tournament in this season. I think that would be the most exciting sports event of the year. It won’t be the same as an NBA championship, but for the fans it would be a great experience. Especially, since almost everybody would be healthy.
 

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The not-so-wise Bran treatment Pierce is getting this season is hilarious.

Windhorst: "It's in the shards"
Pierce: "That was just a normal fart"
Windhorst: "No, the SHARDS..."

Windhorst: "Ser Jordan seeks to permanently end the debate, to prove his is the GOAT of GOATS."
Pierce: "He's coming for me."
 

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I’d be surprised if many of the vets here who lack kelly green colored glasses didn’t agree with Hollinger’s general points.

I am higher on Langford than he is, but otherwise he’s right on: Grant is productive but playoff role depends on his offense; Carsen shoot too poorly this year to be Useful but still has a shot; consolidating yet more 1sts into a proven big does make some sense.

i don’t love Collins’ game but I’d do that deal.
I'm fine with what he said about Grant and Carsen.

For Langford, if you're a believer in his defensive tools+mindset (I am now), I definitely think you need to let him showcase that before moving it. It's very likely he ends up a significantly + defender imo, and that just isn't priced in by other GMs yet. (Although to be fair, Hollinger may just be way lazier than most good GMs, who would likely at least have someone watch film.)

I'm totally down with packaging assets for a 3rd cornerstone piece. I just don't know that
1. Collins is the guy to do it for
2. You'd get close to fair value for Langford (at which point you'd be better off moving someone else with lower expected value who's priced similarly by the league)

As we saw the last few years when everyone was laughing at Danny for holding on to the picks that became the Js, and kept underestimating both their upsides even once they were in the league, there's value to getting high on your own supply if said supply is the shit.

Hell, in hindsight, having Colin Sexton instead of Kyrie Irving would be pretty sweet right about now. (Those gold/burgundy glasses feel nice...)
 

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I'm fine with what he said about Grant and Carsen.

For Langford, if you're a believer in his defensive tools+mindset (I am now), I definitely think you need to let him showcase that before moving it. It's very likely he ends up a significantly + defender imo, and that just isn't priced in by other GMs yet. (Although to be fair, Hollinger may just be way lazier than most good GMs, who would likely at least have someone watch film.)

I'm totally down with packaging assets for a 3rd cornerstone piece. I just don't know that
1. Collins is the guy to do it for
2. You'd get close to fair value for Langford (at which point you'd be better off moving someone else with lower expected value who's priced similarly by the league)

As we saw the last few years when everyone was laughing at Danny for holding on to the picks that became the Js, and kept underestimating both their upsides even once they were in the league, there's value to getting high on your own supply if said supply is the shit.

Hell, in hindsight, having Colin Sexton instead of Kyrie Irving would be pretty sweet right about now. (Those gold/burgundy glasses feel nice...)
I agree Hollinger didn't see Romeo enough to make his assessment; I'm not Hollinger's biggest fan but some of the comments in the thread about him are embarassing. I agree Langford is a guy some will not value as much as we would, but I also imagine there's a few GMs who paid attention as well.

Isn't Zach Collins an interesting target if you are going to do a consolidation trade of picks/young players? Portland certainly might not be interested in moving him, but they have a lot of holes and a need to get more young talent. I may be higher on Collins than others, but I'd certainly look into that.
 

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I agree Hollinger didn't see Romeo enough to make his assessment; I'm not Hollinger's biggest fan but some of the comments in the thread about him are embarassing. I agree Langford is a guy some will not value as much as we would, but I also imagine there's a few GMs who paid attention as well.

Isn't Zach Collins an interesting target if you are going to do a consolidation trade of picks/young players? Portland certainly might not be interested in moving him, but they have a lot of holes and a need to get more young talent. I may be higher on Collins than others, but I'd certainly look into that.
Comments about how Hollinger didn’t contribute anything besides PER? Idk, the fact that he can still cite that idiotic stat with a straight face makes him a moron or a shill; I don’t really see a 3rd option.
 

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Comments about how Hollinger didn’t contribute anything besides PER? Idk, the fact that he can still cite that idiotic stat with a straight face makes him a moron or a shill; I don’t really see a 3rd option.
The guy was a significant part of an effective front office for many years. I'm comfortable with the conclusion that he knows a lot more about basketball than virtually anyone on the board, and that includes analytics. That certainly doesn't make him right all the time---like I said, I am not his biggest fan (and obviously his continuing affection for PER is limiting). But suggesting he's either a moron or a shill says far more about you than about Hollinger---and I actually think you are a better poster than what that comments suggests about you.
 

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Comments about how Hollinger didn’t contribute anything besides PER? Idk, the fact that he can still cite that idiotic stat with a straight face makes him a moron or a shill; I don’t really see a 3rd option.
What's wrong with PER? His book makes a pretty good case that he's measuring what he set out to measure.

If there's an updated equivalent for the motion-tracking era, I'd be interested to learn that.
 

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What's wrong with PER? His book makes a pretty good case that he's measuring what he set out to measure.

If there's an updated equivalent for the motion-tracking era, I'd be interested to learn that.
A better question imho is “what’s right with PER”? It’s a locked box sausage stat that claims to measure “efficiency” while rewarding players for inefficient volume shooting. It completely ignores defense, and may or may not have anything to do with a player’s impact on wins and losses. And no one but Hollinger knows exactly how it’s calculated or what it’s supposed to mean.

Genuinely curious: what exactly did he “set out to measure” with it?
 

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It's not a locked box at all. Here's more detail if you like. Doing a statistically credible job of merging 12 different tracked stats together into a cohesive number requires a lot of steps and adjustments and retroactively-calculated weights. But being complicated doesn't mean it's shitty (doesn't mean it's great, either, but it does mean that more thought has gone into it than some alternatives in the same category).

Hollinger is pretty forthcoming that PER doesn't capture defensive plays that aren't box-score statistics like blocks and steals. That doesn't make it worthless.

I don't think we need your scare quotes around efficiency, though. We know what efficiency ratings are; we have them in every sport. Do you talk about wRC+ with scare quotes? PER is a rate stat of value added to the team's performance per unit time. That brings with it all the issues with rate stats - does it scale if they just take more shots / play more minutes? How much does it depend on teammates' particular abilities or choices? - but it does eliminate a number of confounding variables like team pace, league averages, etc.
 

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It's not a locked box at all. Here's more detail if you like. Doing a statistically credible job of merging 12 different tracked stats together into a cohesive number requires a lot of steps and adjustments and retroactively-calculated weights. But being complicated doesn't mean it's shitty (doesn't mean it's great, either, but it does mean that more thought has gone into it than some alternatives in the same category).

Hollinger is pretty forthcoming that PER doesn't capture defensive plays that aren't box-score statistics like blocks and steals. That doesn't make it worthless.

I don't think we need your scare quotes around efficiency, though. We know what efficiency ratings are; we have them in every sport. Do you talk about wRC+ with scare quotes? PER is a rate stat of value added to the team's performance per unit time. That brings with it all the issues with rate stats - does it scale if they just take more shots / play more minutes? How much does it depend on teammates' particular abilities or choices? - but it does eliminate a number of confounding variables like team pace, league averages, etc.
The quotes I used are not “scare quotes” — they’re just normal, attributive quotes. The metric is called “Player Efficiency Rating.” Hollinger’s words.

As to how appropriate the words are: at minimum it should be said that his sausage recipe includes a ton of stuff that has nothing to do with any reasonable measure of efficiency (without the scare quotes). Taking lots of shots, for example. Something like “player performance rating” or “player production rating” would be much more appropriate, imho.

My bad about the “locked box” part — thanks for the info. I still don’t know why we should we should put any stock in that particular sausage recipe as a measure of “value added to a team’s performance” if it doesn’t take into account, you know, a team’s performance. Does it?

Anyway, I’ll check out that long second piece. I’d definitely be less dismissive of it if I saw evidence that it had been regressed against team performance and proven to correlate to it as well as any of the many advanced, plus-minus-based metrics we have (BPM or RAPM or PIPM the proprietary ones Bowiac posts here occasionally, e.g.) I’m dubious, though.

If I’m interested in box score rate stats — as I often am — I’d much rather just look at them all broken out clearly on a player’s BB-Ref page than trust one magical number that purports to save me the trouble.
 
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Now that baseball is (potentially) on the verge of coming back, when do we see the NBA plan?
 

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Now that baseball is (potentially) on the verge of coming back, when do we see the NBA plan?
MLB was on a different timeline as they have a CBA to deal with (payments, service time, etc). Given the initial reaction from the MLBPA, those issues may take some time to work out. And pitchers need time to build up again and get on a set schedule.

As the NBA season was underway, the CBA issues are mostly moot.
 

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MLB was on a different timeline as they have a CBA to deal with (payments, service time, etc). Given the initial reaction from the MLBPA, those issues may take some time to work out. And pitchers need time to build up again and get on a set schedule.

As the NBA season was underway, the CBA issues are mostly moot.
NBA players will likely lose out on a chunk of money as well. I think the leagues made a good faith showing (for PR reasons) to keep the money flowing, but when/if things get officially cancelled, I think that will change very quickly. NBA will likely claw back some money based on games not played.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bryantoporek/2020/04/08/nbas-escrow-battle-over-player-salaries-has-only-just-begun/#659aa9c154e3
 

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Woj: NBAPA is feeling out the base to see if they want to play this season:

National Basketball Players Association regional representatives started texting NBA players today with a 'yes or no' question it says will be kept confidential: Do you want to try and play again this season? The union's trying to gauge broader sentiment of its 400-plus players.

Sources: Some teams received the question as part of a group text that included the entire roster. One rep asked a team's players: "Do you want to try and play this season, yes or no?" Another rep worded to a different group: "Do you want the season to start again?"
 

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It will be interesting to see if some of the teams out of the playoffs try to avoid playing, or if there is a difference based on income levels. Kevin Love may have a different mindset than the 15th player on the Cavs.

At this point I'd watch HS basketball on TV.
 

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It will be interesting to see if some of the teams out of the playoffs try to avoid playing, or if there is a difference based on income levels. Kevin Love may have a different mindset than the 15th player on the Cavs.

At this point I'd watch HS basketball on TV.
I would watch the hell out of the Big3 at this point.
 

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Does Lebron understand that he will be living in a hotel room in Orlando for 3-4 months without his wife and children?
And now Yahoo is reporting that Lebron, Steph, Giannis, and Kawhi are among the NBA superstars pushing for a restart.
 

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Steph is the only one who surprises me on that list. The rest of them are in this for the championships - and so, the league will either give one of those out this year or they won't.

But Kevin Love? Yeah he'll probably be in the front of the line to bag it.