What if you could change one thing - Red Sox edition

Humphrey

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Having worked on the waterfront for a few years, if a new Sox or Patriots' stadium had been built there; if not done very carefully had the potential to be the next Candlestick Park. Weather conditions there (wind, dampness) were usually not conducive to sitting in one place for a long time.
 

yeahlunchbox

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This is certainly a take. Hell no. If you want to see the Sox in a new stadium they play 81 games a year in those.

Also, the roof decks at Fenway are much closer to the field than at other stadiums precisely because some of the grandstand seating is obstructed by the pillars holding up the roof. That's the tradeoff.

The Pavilion Club or RF Roof Boxes are views you can only get at Fenway* because at any other field the upper decks would be 30 feet further away from the field. One of the most unequal changes in sports architecture since the 80s is that new arenas and stadia can't have any lower bowl seats obstructed so all the cheaper seats get moved back. I'm sad that I'm too young to have ever watched a hockey game from the upper level at center ice at the Boston Garden or sat in the RF bleachers overhanging Tiger Stadium.

*Or Wrigley, which is admittedly better since fewer of these seats are club / suites
Imagine thinking that wanting and expecting to be able to see the whole field after buying a ticket to a game is a take.

The amount of Red Sox fans that have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Fenway Park is amazing.
 

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Imagine thinking that wanting and expecting to be able to see the whole field after buying a ticket to a game is a take.

The amount of Red Sox fans that have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Fenway Park is amazing.
I mean are there drawbacks to Fenway park? Sure. The poles, small seats, and cramped concourses are part of that. But the positives far outweigh the negatives. It’s been that way for 112 years now. If you haven’t figured out where to sit that's on you.

if you want a luxurious ballpark experience there’s a pretty new and sterile stadium a few hours to the southwest for you to enjoy.
 
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Toe Nash

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Imagine thinking that wanting and expecting to be able to see the whole field after buying a ticket to a game is a take.

The amount of Red Sox fans that have Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Fenway Park is amazing.
You do realize what the poles are for? Did you read my post? They make the seats that they're holding up closer to the field. The only reason it's not a GREAT tradeoff in Fenway is because the seats up top are largely exclusive and expensive and there aren't a lot of them.

Here's the Boston Garden and TD Garden. The lower level seats in the new arena have no obstructions, wahoo, but the 300 levels are further back than the old Garden. It wasn't always like this but I guess they got sick of people whining (just kidding, it's because the lower level seats are more expensive).
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JOBU

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I’m not sure if this is true, but I’ve heard the last row in the upper level of The Boston Garden was closer to the playing surface then the first row of the upper level at the new place.
 

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As someone who has only lived within 30 minutes of Fenway for every minute of an almost 50 year life, I know plenty of locals who wish the Red Sox played in a more modern stadium. While I certainly understand and appreciate the artistry of an old historic stadium, I also understand wanting modern comforts. I don't think it's a "take" to prefer the latter to the former.

On the other hand, knowing that for the Sox to play in a modern stadium they wouldn't be in downtown Boston, that makes me appreciate Fenway. I much prefer and enjoy the fact that three of our four major teams play in Boston proper and not suburbia.

Onto the question at hand I've thought long and hard about my change one thing would be - focused on the 84-24 period because it's my lifetime as a Sox fan. I think if I extended the period of time, it would be that Fisk in particular played his whole career as a Red Sox, but alas I was too young in 1980 to appreciate that decision.

The most devastated I have been as a Sox fan for a non-game result was Clemens leaving after 1996. I think if I were younger and more passionate about the Sox, I'd feel the same about the Mookie trade, but Clemens leaving crushed me. But his behavior subsequent to that departure quelled my anger to a large degree.

I keep coming back to the "retire as a Red Sox" thing. It angers me to no end that Tom Brady did not retire as a Patriot. It angers me that Ray Bourque did not retire as a Bruin and that trophy parade even more enrages me. It pleases me greatly that Larry Bird and Kevin McHale played full careers as Celtics and so even though they likely could have been dealt for some player capital, makes me very happy that Red did not do that.

When I think about the numbers on the wall, I want those numbers selfishly to belong to players who belong completely to the Red Sox (or at least played the majority of their career in Boston and finished in Boston) even if they may not have been great at the end. That applies to all but 26, 45, 42, and 27. 42 for obvious reasons. 26 doesn't bother me behaviorally. 21 should be up there someday but I'm over it. I look forward to 49 going up there.

I come back to Fisk. A top 5 player at his position in the history of baseball born in New England as a Red Sox fan who said he never contemplated leaving should have played his entire career with the team.
 

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I attend a handful of Pirates games every year. PNC is a great park, beautiful location, decent concessions, and the tickets are relatively inexpensive.

Forbes field would be better though:

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(Except for my commute, that would suck).

For choosing one thing, it would be Mays. I wouldn't have gotten to see him play, but anything to push the Red Sox past their racist legacy (and with an all-timer to boot!) would be great.
 

HfxBob

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Pinella misses this ball and it rolls all the way to the wall.
View: https://youtu.be/3kXpqcky2WM?si=JE7QDyYCGFAD6a4n

View: https://youtu.be/pooXOxtRhZ0?si=ftI9Em-aLE6xL5nq

Pinella does not have the baseball instincts to shade Lynn to pull because Guidry is on short rest.
View: https://youtu.be/pooXOxtRhZ0?si=ftI9Em-aLE6xL5nq
Great work there.

Kenny Harrelson was by no means a great commentator, but he did make some good comments. On a 1979 broadcast he described an exchange he had with Piniella about the play in the 9th.

"You can't make that play'" he said to Piniella.

"I know," Piniella said with a laugh.