What is next for BB?

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I get where everyman is coming from. To a very large segment of the population, he's just a fucking football coach. And a pretty large segment of football fans wont give a shit what he has to say about anything. If it's really all about "leadership," (as opposed to his football career) I dont see anyone under 35 reading it. I dont really know the size of the cross-section of "football fans who don't hate Belichick who are in positions where a book on leadership will help them," but I'd guess its pretty limited. And I really don't think "leaders" who aren't football fans are going to dive in. My wife is in a job that has leadership challenges. She knows who BB is. Doesn't particularly hate him. Would not read a book he wrote.
sure…this is a nuanced and thoughtful response, as much as needed in this squamous forum.

van everyman didnt say that. He offered the SOSH equivalent of “that’s mid, bro”. So i wont give him extra credit.

I think that BB, as the de facto CEO of the most successful multi-billion dollar sports operation of the 21st century, might have some useful lessons to offer on the rather phony topic of “leadership”. That he would end up proffering them in a paperback book seems unlikely, if for no other reason than I have never heard him say a single interesting thing ever outside of football.

the man is a professional dullard aside from his absolute and unquestionably singular genius. David Halberstam remains one of single greatest popular historians of the past forty years, and Education of a Coach is probably his weakest book. Add to that the fact that 90%of all “leadership” tomes, like parenting books, recovery memoirs, and the like are banal beyond belief.

this is not necessarily a criticism of the man. Alan Turing was a bore. Thomas keller is a lousy showman. I wish that a tremendous but lesser football mind, who had a flair for writing, would engage him. He needs an Anthony Bourdain. But he wont get it.
 

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sure…this is a nuanced and thoughtful response, as much as needed in this squamous forum.

van everyman didnt say that. He offered the SOSH equivalent of “that’s mid, bro”. So i wont give him extra credit.

I think that BB, as the de facto CEO of the most successful multi-billion dollar sports operation of the 21st century, might have some useful lessons to offer on the rather phony topic of “leadership”. That he would end up proffering them in a paperback book seems unlikely, if for no other reason than I have never heard him say a single interesting thing ever outside of football.

the man is a professional dullard aside from his absolute and unquestionably singular genius. David Halberstam remains one of single greatest popular historians of the past forty years, and Education of a Coach is probably his weakest book. Add to that the fact that 90%of all “leadership” tomes, like parenting books, recovery memoirs, and the like are banal beyond belief.

this is not necessarily a criticism of the man. Alan Turing was a bore. Thomas keller is a lousy showman. I wish that a tremendous but lesser football mind, who had a flair for writing, would engage him. He needs an Anthony Bourdain. But he wont get it.
Calling the characterization out as dismissive reminds me of the first time I tried the "you're from Jersey? What exit?" line. The woman involved clutched her pearls and said "haha, very funny", seemingly offended...and then said "37".
 

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Calling the characterization out as dismissive reminds me of the first time I tried the "you're from Jersey? What exit?" line. The woman involved clutched her pearls and said "haha, very funny", seemingly offended...and then said "37".
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This book would be most interesting if it was unstructured (like the recent Rick Rubin book on the Creative Act) or if he just went full Sun Tzu, called it The Art of Football, and followed that style. A generic leadership book is very likely to suck.
 

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If he intersperses his book with as yet unheard anecdotes from his coaching days, then it will be an interesting read. If it's just a bunch of tired "leadership" tropes told through Belichick's and his writer's point of view, then I'll pass.
 

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Calling the characterization out as dismissive reminds me of the first time I tried the "you're from Jersey? What exit?" line. The woman involved clutched her pearls and said "haha, very funny", seemingly offended...and then said "37".
Did you pick 37 at random to tell that story or is that what she really said? Because I just watched this video.

View: https://youtu.be/d6iQrh2TK98?si=RRP8ntoTKNOyNXWY
 

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Calling the characterization out as dismissive reminds me of the first time I tried the "you're from Jersey? What exit?" line. The woman involved clutched her pearls and said "haha, very funny", seemingly offended...and then said "37".
In a row?
 

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I love veritasium.

Honestly I have learned more on tha YouTube channel than anywhere else the last 5 years. So good.
He does a really nice job of making difficult concepts understandable. I still get lost on some of them, but it's rare I don't learn something with one of his videos.
 

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That's cool. I'm sure Raheem Morris has the same skill set!

This is why Bill would be such a great football explainer-in-chief if a producer could harness his knowledge and find a good way to package it for TV. He'd be great during games but probably even better in breaking things down in some kind of longer form, post/pre game analysis.
Just give him a telestrator thing and let him do live commentary on plays every week. Be like a much more serious Jomboy breakdown.
 

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Just give him a telestrator thing and let him do live commentary on plays every week. Be like a much more serious Jomboy breakdown.
I’d love for him to do a series before every season, like a serious version of Drew Magary’s “Why Your Team Sucks” with in depth breakdowns of what worked and what didn’t work for each team last season, complete with game tape examples, and commentary on what they should do to improve vs. what they actually do.
 

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I’d love for him to do a series before every season, like a serious version of Drew Magary’s “Why Your Team Sucks” with in depth breakdowns of what worked and what didn’t work for each team last season, complete with game tape examples, and commentary on what they should do to improve vs. what they actually do.
Would be super fun. Hear him wax poetic about the good and bad plays from the NFL.
 

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That's cool. I'm sure Raheem Morris has the same skill set!

This is why Bill would be such a great football explainer-in-chief if a producer could harness his knowledge and find a good way to package it for TV. He'd be great during games but probably even better in breaking things down in some kind of longer form, post/pre game analysis.
I like this, and I think the answer to getting the best out of BB would be to let him handle a variety of topics for a couple of hours, and then release a 30-minute "show" of it, and release the extended versions as well.

I’d love for him to do a series before every season, like a serious version of Drew Magary’s “Why Your Team Sucks” with in depth breakdowns of what worked and what didn’t work for each team last season, complete with game tape examples, and commentary on what they should do to improve vs. what they actually do.
The thing about BB is that it would be cool to give him a segment to break down Xs and Os, but another segment to let him talk about GM stuff. I mean, for many many years he was way ahead of other front offices in understanding draft, contract, and roster slot value.

I'm kinda torn on what content I love most from BB. The guy can look at one play and talk about IOL technique, look at another and wax about how to drill a concept in practice, and then talk about how the other sideline was discombobulated on the most important play in a championship game and that's why he didn't call a timeout [gigglesnort].
 

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Leaving in a bit to the studio :)
Calling the characterization out as dismissive reminds me of the first time I tried the "you're from Jersey? What exit?" line.
Whenever anyone asks me, I can do a tight three in a very calm, very deliberate, very monotone voice, bringing them in from various highways, extolling the virtues of Exit 168 vs Exit 165, pointing out local landmarks along the way (shoutout: Armstrong Tower), how to beat the toll by jumping onto the GSP by Dick's Sporting Goods in Paramus.....IOW boring them to death.
 

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They should have him do a weekly segment just on special teams plays. Or show a single play and explain the history of some concept in the play.
I can see that. "Yah, the first time this play was run was by George Halas, in a game against the Packers. They sent xxx in motion and ran a mesh concept which freed up the deep over..."
 

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Whenever anyone asks me, I can do a tight three in a very calm, very deliberate, very monotone voice, bringing them in from various highways, extolling the virtues of Exit 168 vs Exit 165, pointing out local landmarks along the way (shoutout: Armstrong Tower), how to beat the toll by jumping onto the GSP by Dick's Sporting Goods in Paramus.....IOW boring them to death.
That's awesome.

I usually just ask whether they're in NYC Jersey of Philadelphia Jersey.
 

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Ccompletely unnecessary. Clickbait. Nothing revealing or otherwise sinister. The article, less a "hit piece" and more of a "kick him while he's down" piece, relies on "unnamed sources" to do most of the kicking. "I heard it from a friend who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from another Bill is getting clowned..."

You know how employers sometimes get in trouble for talking shit in a reference call about a former employee? This shows you how the NFL doesn't have to worry about frivolous stuff like that. The Shield can use unnamed proxies to end someones reputation and/or career and never be held accountable.
 
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Thanks for posting. I did read it, and obviously will create a lot of discussion in this forum:

1.) First, it is typical Wickersham, where he fills in the sourced stories and quotes with his own decidedly anti-Belichick opinion. Mentions "arrogance" at least once (no mention of "hubris", however). And does the usual reference to Spygate (OK, Bill was at fault there) and Aaron Hernandez (only the revisionists think AH was Bill's fault). And the following quotes, left without comment:

Most reject the fear and leverage that fueled New England's dynasty.
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"The Patriot Way is damaged," a former Patriots assistant coach said.
2.) Seems like Blank would have been happy with Belichick, but McKay and Fontenot preferred Raheem Morris. Lots of semi-sourced speculation around the reasons: age; impressive interview by Morris; recent track record; questions about assistants. The most likely reason (IMO) may be that it was unclear if Belichick would be OK with ceding all player/personnel decisions to Fontenot, despite Bill claiming he just wants to coach. There is a later comment that indicates that Bill would want at least some say:

The source close to Belichick said the coach had concerns about the Falcons' roster and would have needed his most trusted former assistants to execute a quick turnaround.
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Belichick wasn't eager to work with McKay, but it was unclear how much that would have mattered anyway: McKay is a longtime trusted aide to Blank but would soon be promoted out of daily team oversight, sources said. Belichick assured Blank that he was willing to work with Fontenot.
Also, it was clear that some of the folks in the Atlanta front office were afraid of their own jobs if Bill were to be brought on board.

3.) Blank had some conversations with the Krafts about what it was like to work with Bill. Reading between the lines, Jonathan did what he does best. But Blank was still in favor of hiring Belichick, but didn't want to overrule his CEO and GM.

4.) Some talk about pursuit of jobs at Dallas, Washington, and Philly. Of course, Wickersham glosses over the fact that Philly had no real reason to move on from Siriani. He at least mentions that Jones wasn't ready to fire McCarthy (as much as we love to laugh at Mike McCarthy, Dallas has had 3 consecutive 12-win seasons, which is another fact that Wickersham conveniently leaves out of his story). Jonathan helped spoil the well with the Commanders. Mentions the Panthers, but also mentions how the owner likes to get involved in the coach's play calling decisions, so obviously will never be a match for Bill.

Also makes it clear that Belichick had no desire to go to LA, and later mentions Bill's preference to stay in the northeast (no surprise) if and when he pursues opportunities for 2025 season. Wickersham hints that the age issue will continue to be a problem for Bill, as the folks doing the coach hiring hope to find the next young superstar, much like Kraft did when he hired Bill in 2000.
 
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3 quick takeaways

- People in power afraid he would take over
- Owners not liking his power structure
- Kraft is trashing him around the league

The fun LOL extra
- The Falcons were blown away by Morris...
 

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He's a 72 year old coach coming off four unimpressive seasons at best who you'll have to basically remake the entire structure of your organization (either in terms of personnel or decision making) to accomodate. It's not that hard to understand why he wasn't the most attractive of candidates. Only Patriots fans and media will weigh what he did in, say, 2014 over that. Teams that are ready to contend for a title in the short term aren't generally looking for head coaches. His best bet would always be an owner looking to make a splash and rebuild the culture, but even that is dampened by the fact that he'll only be there for a couple of years and there's no way you'll want to hire one of his trusted underlings to continue the work even if indeed he does a good job.
 

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He's a 72 year old coach coming off four unimpressive seasons at best who you'll have to basically remake the entire structure of your organization (either in terms of personnel or decision making) to accomodate. It's not that hard to understand why he wasn't the most attractive of candidates. Only Patriots fans and media will weigh what he did in, say, 2014 over that. Teams that are ready to contend for a title in the short term aren't generally looking for head coaches. His best bet would always be an owner looking to make a splash and rebuild the culture, but even that is dampened by the fact that he'll only be there for a couple of years and there's no way you'll want to hire one of his trusted underlings to continue the work even if indeed he does a good job.
2014? How about 2001-2019?
 

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Maybe it's mentioned upthread somewhere but this sentence was news to me.

In the coming weeks, Belichick is expected to sign a deal to do analysis for Peyton Manning's Omaha Productions, which produces ESPN's "ManningCast" during Monday Night Football.
 

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I still can't believe Dallas didn't make a run at him. To me that's the ideal situation for all parties involved.
Absolutely. And that belies the notion that teams with good, contending rosters aren’t, or shouldn’t be looking for a coaching upgrade to break through and win a title. BB would be a huge step up over McCarthy, Hardo, and Siriani. To name three. Beyond that, if the Krafts were trashing him (something I have no trouble believing), shame on Blank and any other cowardly, foolish owner who actually listened to their bullshit. I mean, Raheem fucking Morris over BB. That’s not doing everything in one’s power to win a Lombardi.
 

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I'm not surprised Philly or Buffalo didn't go for BB, their coaches are still young and haven't yet amassed the track record of high-visibility failure required to make a change (although Hardo is working on it).

Dallas though? McCarthy is a chump. Jerruh is dying to win another before he kicks it. I cannot believe they didn't make a change there.
 

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I'm not surprised Philly or Buffalo didn't go for BB, their coaches are still young and haven't yet amassed the track record of high-visibility failure required to make a change (although Hardo is working on it).

Dallas though? McCarthy is a chump. Jerruh is dying to win another before he kicks it. I cannot believe they didn't make a change there.
Probably fair on Siriani, though I think he’s a clown whose limitations were on full display last year. But Hardo? He’s got more than enough of a track record of falling short, with arguably no worse than the second best QB in the league, to justify a change. Hell, he probably should’ve been shown the door when the Bengals went in there and boat raced them 2 years ago in the playoffs.
 

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The most likely reason (IMO) may be that it was unclear if Belichick would be OK with ceding all player/personnel decisions to Fontenot, despite Bill claiming he just wants to coach. There is a later comment that indicates that Bill would want at least some say:
Serious question: Are there really NFL coaches who, in 2024, have NO say in personnel decisions? IOW--Don't ALL coaches have "some say."
 

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Absolutely. And that belies the notion that teams with good, contending rosters aren’t, or shouldn’t be looking for a coaching upgrade to break through and win a title. BB would be a huge step up over McCarthy, Hardo, and Siriani. To name three. Beyond that, if the Krafts were trashing him (something I have no trouble believing), shame on Blank and any other cowardly, foolish owner who actually listened to their bullshit. I mean, Raheem fucking Morris over BB. That’s not doing everything in one’s power to win a Lombardi.
First, Philly has no reason to move on from Siriani a season after making the Super Bowl; we'll just agree to disagree on whether he is a good coach or not. Buffalo never came up in the article, and seems likely Buffalo will ride McDermott until the eventual 5-12 season happens. The Dallas job was discussed in the article; seems like Jones has a good working relationship with McCarthy for whatever reason. Jones stuck with Jason Garrett for 9 seasons, and the article hints that Jones doesn't like cycling through coaches very much at this stage of his life.

According to Wickersham, Blank wanted Belichick, but did not want to overrule McKay and Fontenot, who obviously felt threatened by the thought of Belichick's presence on the sidelines.
 

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The Krafts turning out to be utter embarrassments is maybe the most surprising part of the end of the run for me. Straight out of the FSG playbook trashing beloved guys on the way out. I feel like they’ve deeply miscalculated the degree to which bill is a god in New England and if anything they’ve only increased the angst there will be if the losing continues.