What will D-Dom do before the trade deadline?

Hm, whaddayall think?

  • Stand Pat 1. Go through the season with the roster as it is today until rosters expand

    Votes: 9 4.4%
  • Stand Pat 2. Release Pablo, Peralta and bring up Devers before expansion

    Votes: 55 27.0%
  • Stand Pat 3. BROCK HOLT!!!! to the rescue

    Votes: 18 8.8%
  • Trade for a 3rd baseman

    Votes: 55 27.0%
  • Trade for bullpen help

    Votes: 65 31.9%
  • Trade for starting pitching....EdRod isn't coming back this season....

    Votes: 2 1.0%

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Sandy Leon Trotsky

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I just loathe those types of nicknames. But anyhow.... lots of discussion about standing pat and going with what we've got or shoring up the bullpen and/or 3rd base via a trade or calling up Devers. I don't see a trade for the rotation happening but I'll add it here since it's possible, however unlikely. I'm also not including any options that could happen after the roster expansion....
So what's your first choice here in speculating on what the Sox will do between now and the deadline?
 

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I voted BROCK HOLT!!! I do think that Devers will get a call up late in August or during roster expansion and if he looks legit will get added to the playoff roster. Standing pat on pitching- bullpen will get shored up with Fister going to the pen and still holding out hope that Carson Smith makes it up within a few weeks
 

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IF D-Dom and M-Haz are going to fix the Red Sox at the trade deadline, I hope it's something like Greinke, Lamb, Goldschmidt and cash for Sandoval, Marerro, Castillo, and Owens. Gotta love embedded GMs.
 

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I voted for a bullpen addition. I think almost all of the third base options are terrible. Get an arm, see what Devers can do, and let's see what happens.

I would add that with Marco Hernandez out for the season, we don't need to worry about bringing Devers up before 9/1. He can finish the minor league season and come up on the fourth or fifth or whatever.
 

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I voted 3b, but think they'll add an arm as well because DD doesn't fuck around.

Something involving Frazier and Tommy Kahnle would be nice, but not at the cost of any of Devers (obviously), Chavis, Groome or Mata.

I don't care about the bullpen upgrade if it means giving up anything great.
 

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I think they could do a combo of these. I'm confident they'll trade for a BP arm - they're already worried about our pen's workload. They'll do something with 3rd, but it could just be patching with what we have and then promoting Devers. Devers with Marrero or Lin as a defensive replacement (and Holt to sub in) might be more than workable.

I'd be ok with Grim's suggestion above...
 

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The problem I see is that last year the bullpen trades got a big haul in return. Granted, an arm like Miller is not available this year, but teams saw what the Yankees got for their bullpen arms and will start asking for too much.

I'm not really afraid of the cost, but rather, that DDski may just pay it up.

Devers, Chavis, Groome should be untouchable at this point.
 

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It seems like it was just last year when we would be connected to Felix Hernandez or Mike Stanton at every trade deadline. Then we would get a Bunch of crazy trade proposals. I miss those days.



To the topic at hand: i wouldn't be surprised to see some small trades (BP) and Nothing earth shattering (in terms of targeted players)
 

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What they will do and should do are two different things. What they should do is stand pat or promote Devers.

What will they do? Trade for a pen arm and a 3B.
 

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Release Peralta on the 15th. Promote Devers to AAA. Bring Sandoval back on the 16th, option Marrero. Activate Holt when his rehab assignment is over on the 20th; designate Sandoval for assignment. Have Holt and Lin split duty at 3b until the last week of August, when either Devers has had 5 weeks of demolishing AAA pitching or a waiver deal can be made for the Annual Aaron Hill Archetype Acquisition, Martin Prado.

Edit: And DD is definitely going to overpay for a bullpen arm. Sam Travis looks vulnerable to me.
 

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Release Peralta on the 15th. Promote Devers to AAA. Bring Sandoval back on the 16th, option Marrero. Activate Holt when his rehab assignment is over on the 20th; designate Sandoval for assignment. Have Holt and Lin split duty at 3b until the last week of August, when either Devers has had 5 weeks of demolishing AAA pitching or a waiver deal can be made for the Annual Aaron Hill Archetype Acquisition, Martin Prado.

Edit: And DD is definitely going to overpay for a bullpen arm. Sam Travis looks vulnerable to me.
I could definitely see Travis for Neshek happening...
 

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Edit: And DD is definitely going to overpay for a bullpen arm. Sam Travis looks vulnerable to me.
I could definitely see Travis for Neshek happening...
You bite your tongues the both of you. Travis should be as untouchable as Devers and Groome, not because he's as good but because he's the guy that fills the spot that opens up when Mitch Moreland goes somewhere else.
 

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Travis for Neshek doesn't seem like a fit. Phillies have a young first baseman, plus one of their top minor leaguers is also at 1B
 

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For the first time in my life in a year where the Red Sox have been in contention, I hope they do nothing. I am deathly afraid that they're going to trade something like Chavis, Johnson, and a kid who throws 100 mph for Todd Frazier or Mike Moustakis, and that would be a travesty.

All they need to do is find a true AAAA 3B and get Smith healthy by September 1st. They need a reliever for the playoffs, but that reliever will be the guy who ends up as the 5th starter, hence they don't really need a reliever.
 

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They need a reliever for the playoffs, but that reliever will be the guy who ends up as the 5th starter, hence they don't really need a reliever.
That'll be one of Porcello, Pomeranz or Rodriguez, assuming no surprises in health and performance—you see any of them as late-inning shutdown guys? (Or: You see, specifically, the one that doesn't make the playoff rotation as a late-inning shutdown guy?)

I mean, if you wanna talk about Sale being available out of the bullpen on his side days, he definitely seems like the kind of pitcher who'd be into that...
 

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Personally, I believe in Devers and I think that makes Chavis expendable. However, I don't think they should just deal Chavis just for anything like a Neshek or a Frazier. They need to find a better fit and a better player if they are going to deal him.

Sadly, they probably will make that deal though.
 

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Personally, I believe in Devers and I think that makes Chavis expendable. However, I don't think they should just deal Chavis just for anything like a Neshek or a Frazier. They need to find a better fit and a better player if they are going to deal him.

Sadly, they probably will make that deal though.
The team still needs a long term 1b. I don't know why Chavis and Devers can't co exist, especially since neither one is great at 3b. Maybe both get moved off the position long term.
 

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The team still needs a long term 1b. I don't know why Chavis and Devers can't co exist, especially since neither one is great at 3b. Maybe both get moved off the position long term.
I'm not as confident in Travis as a 1st base option as I am in Chavis and Devers being viable ML'ers. The 3 of them could be the corner infield/DH answer together. I hope none are dealt, but Travis IMO is the most expendable but likeliest to bring the least back in a trade.
 

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In terms of positions for Chavis.
3b - Between being blocked by Devers and being a poor fielder so far, it's a long shot.
1b - He's 5'10 so it's probably a stretch and his plus arm would be wasted. I don't consider Travis a road block though.
2b - Pedey forever
DH - blocked by Hanley and his shitty vesting contract through 2019 unless he gets moved/DFA'd before then. In which case Chavis would be an early 20's DH. Not ideal, but fine I guess.
OF - None even hit free agency until 2021.

I don't see where the obvious fit is unless Hanley or Devers plays 1b, and his fielding improves to passable or they don't mind a shorty there at 1b. I guess he could get good and marinated for two more years in the minors as injury insurance too.

I'd only move him in a deal for an impact player, and they really don't need one to be a contender.
 
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It will depend on how many 3Bmen are actually available, but I'm still hoping that the most DD does to fix that hole is trade for an ok guy like Nunez or Lowrie, and that t doesn't take someone as good as Chavis to get him.
 

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In terms of positions for Chavis.
3b - Between being blocked by Devers and being a poor fielder so far, it's a long shot.
1b - He's 5'10 so it's probably a stretch and his plus arm would be wasted. I don't consider Travis a road block though.
2b - Pedey forever
DH - blocked by Hanley and his shitty vesting contract through 2019 unless he gets moved/DFA'd before then. In which case Chavis would be an early 20's DH. Not ideal, but fine I guess.
OF - None even hit free agency until 2021.

I don't see where the obvious fit is unless Hanley or Devers plays 1b, and his fielding improves to passable or they don't mind a shorty there at 1b. I guess he could get good and marinated for two more years in the minors as injury insurance too.

I'd only move him in a deal for an impact player, and they really don't need one to be a contender.
This is getting way, way ahead of ourselves here, but I wouldn't be overly concerned about having an extra LF come 2019 (and that's a reasonable timeline for Chavis, if he continues to develop [and I'm not at all sure this isn't the best season he'll ever have]). It's far from certain that they'll be able to sign all of Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley long term, and given that Benintendi can play CF, Bradley's the one I'd be most willing to trade someday. And given the lack of upper-minors starting pitching, it's not hard to imagine a Bradley-for-pitcher deal after 2018 or 2019.

Again, not saying we can't trade Chavis because we need him to replace Bradley, just that it's a position where some redundancy isn't an obviously pointless idea.
 

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In terms of positions for Chavis.
3b - Between being blocked by Devers and being a poor fielder so far, it's a long shot.
1b - He's 5'10 so it's probably a stretch and his plus arm would be wasted. I don't consider Travis a road block though.
2b - Pedey forever
DH - blocked by Hanley and his shitty vesting contract through 2019 unless he gets moved/DFA'd before then. In which case Chavis would be an early 20's DH. Not ideal, but fine I guess.
OF - None even hit free agency until 2021.

I don't see where the obvious fit is unless Hanley or Devers plays 1b, and his fielding improves to passable or they don't mind a shorty there at 1b. I guess he could get good and marinated for two more years in the minors as injury insurance too.

I'd only move him in a deal for an impact player, and they really don't need one to be a contender.
Pedey will be 34 in August. Granted he's signed for 4 more years and I can't see him being traded but with all the injuries he's had, having a back up plan may not be a bad idea. Of course, Lin could be the backup plan.
 

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This is getting way, way ahead of ourselves here, but I wouldn't be overly concerned about having an extra LF come 2019 (and that's a reasonable timeline for Chavis, if he continues to develop [and I'm not at all sure this isn't the best season he'll ever have]). It's far from certain that they'll be able to sign all of Betts, Bogaerts, and Bradley long term, and given that Benintendi can play CF, Bradley's the one I'd be most willing to trade someday. And given the lack of upper-minors starting pitching, it's not hard to imagine a Bradley-for-pitcher deal after 2018 or 2019.

Again, not saying we can't trade Chavis because we need him to replace Bradley, just that it's a position where some redundancy isn't an obviously pointless idea.
Agreed. I would even go so far as to say the Sox should be operating on the assumption that they won't be able to keep all of those guys long-term, which means having an heir apparent in the minors makes all kinds of sense.

Chavis could also turn out to be a very good fit for the turn-of-decade Sox as a kind of bat-first 2B-3B-OF supersub, like a rich man's Ty Wigginton (or a plutocrat's Josh Rutledge). Particularly, if he can play 2B, that may prove to have a lot of value by 2019-2021 as Pedey will presumably need more and more time off, either preventative or recuperative. And even assuming the Sox hold onto Bradley and Betts until (or even past) FA, there should be playing time for a corner OF sub who can hit lefties.
 

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I wonder if they're kicking the tires on Giancarlo Stanton? Probably the Sandoval/Hanley spending spree prevents them from taking on that contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were willing to do something for a middle-of-the-order power bat. Obviously it would involve moving Bradley, or maybe Benny, which might be the conversation-ender. I'm just spitballing but the lack of power production post-Ortiz has to make Stanton seem tempting. But maybe that sort of mega-swap can only happen in the offseason, too destabilizing for a July deal?
 
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I wonder if they're kicking the tires on Giancarlo Stanton? Probably the Sandoval/Hanley spending spree prevents them from taking on that contract, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were willing to do something for a middle-of-the-order power bat. Obviously it would involve moving Bradley, or maybe Benny, which might be the conversation-ender. I'm just spitballing but the lack of power production post-Ortiz has to make Stanton seem tempting. But maybe that sort of mega-swap can only happen in the offseason, too destabilizing for a July deal?
Have you looked at Stanton's contract?
 

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No doubt here that DD has a long term eye on adding a middle of the order bat, but I keep my faith in the idea that John Henry would never sign off on letting him go the Stanton type extreme contract route to do it.
 

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That kind of seems Dombrowski'esque to be honest. Look at what he did with Cabrera - locking him up for 30+ mill through his age 41 season. I would never want them to take on Stanton and highly doubt they would, but he's the type who would do it.
 
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That kind of seems Dombrowski'esque to be honest. Look at what he did with Cabrera - locking him up for 30+ mill through his age 41 season. I would never want them to take on Stanton, but he's the type who would do it.
Stanton hasn't been anywhere near as healthy or consistent as Cabrera was at the time of that contract, so this comparison just isn't appropriate.

That said, there's probably very little chance he doesn't opt out given how top end contracts have scaled since he signed, and how they will be impacted by the Harper/Machado/Kershaw winter. His contract will be an underpay by the time that opt out is available.

29.125 million if the club option is picked up, 27.25 if the last year is bought out.

So if he's traded for, there's a decent chance you have the opportunity to let someone else pay for his "twilight" years (he'll be 31 at the start of his new contract if he opts out).

Not saying I think the Sox will trade for him, but the contract really isn't THAT bad and it wouldn't necessarily be a bad bet to acquire him with the hope that it's a 3 year 77 million dollar deal.

The real wild card is the Jeter/Jordan group looking to buy the Marlins. If they take over that club, they may have absolutely no intention of moving the face of their brand new, shiny franchise.
 

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Not saying I think the Sox will trade for him, but the contract really isn't THAT bad and it wouldn't necessarily be a bad bet to acquire him with the hope that it's a 3 year 77 million dollar deal.
Maybe worth considering is ratings. Does Stanton help the Sox out of the ratings doldrum that they are supposedly in? If that has quantifiable value, then the real cost might be even lower.
 

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Gammons's (pre-ASB) analysis of where the Red Sox stand:

The Red Sox, on the other hand, have to wait past the Break. They have to see if they have longterm depth pieces in Tzu-Wei Lin and Deven Marrero, whose defense on the left side of the infield have been major factors in the last three weeks. They always thought Marrero would hit, but until the last fortnight he tended to change his stance and approach three times a game. Lin got $2M as a teenager in Taiwan, but the last three years has harnessed his elite athleticism, seen his OPS at Portland go from .534 to .580 to .870 and jump off to an 11 game Red Sox .419/.481/,900 slash and an opening of the coaching staff’s eyes. John Farrell talks of “Linmania.”

Brock Holt is playing at Portland, so one direction might be to use Holt, Lin and Marrero at third base. They will have a clearer idea of what Pablo Sandoval or Jhonny Peraltaoffers. Or they can see if 20-year old Rafael Devers is ready. Or they can trade for a rental.

The emergence of Drew Pomeranz has not only justified Dave Dombrowski’s trade, but held the staff together as David Price gets back to normal—his 25-8 lifetime September record is significant—and Rick Porcello rediscovers his mix. They don’t know what they have in Eduardo Rodriguez, which might necessitate a filler starter trade, or they could try Jalen Beeks, who has struck out 99 in 87 innings at Pawtucket. It’s clear they’d like relief depth, be it Carson Smith, the lefthanded Beeks, Jamie Callahan or Brandon Workman. “We may have some answers in our system,” says Dombrowski, whose trades brought the no. 1 starter (Chris Sale) and the league’s best closer (Craig Kimbrel) around whom they can build.

http://www.gammonsdaily.com/peter-gammons-state-of-the-league-going-into-the-all-star-break/
 

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Stanton hasn't been anywhere near as healthy or consistent as Cabrera was at the time of that contract, so this comparison just isn't appropriate.
Eh - Stanton missed parts of 2 seasons and was 25 when he signed and Cabrera was 33 coming off missing 40 games. I don't think it was a reach Stanton would be more productive at that time of their respective careers.

And two of three of Stanton's seasons were better than Cabrera's prior to Miggy signing his extension.
 
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Maybe worth considering is ratings. Does Stanton help the Sox out of the ratings doldrum that they are supposedly in? If that has quantifiable value, then the real cost might be even lower.
If ratings are in a funk with a first place team featuring exciting young players like Betts and Bogaerts and an appointment-television starter like Sale on the roster, I can't see how Giancarlo Stanton makes that much of an impact.

Yes he hits bombs, but is he that much of a star name player to draw in ratings-shifting kinds of eyeballs? Is there any player in baseball that can do that?
 

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Eh - Stanton missed parts of 2 seasons and was 25 when he signed and Cabrera was 33 coming off missing 40 games. I don't think it was a reach Stanton would be more productive at that time of their respective careers.

And two of three of Stanton's seasons were better than Cabrera's prior to Miggy signing his extension.
Stanton games played in the last 6 years: 150, 123, 116, 145, 74, 119.
Cabrera games played in the 6 years prior to extension: 150, 161, 161, 148, 159, 119

Stanton wRC+ in the last 6 years: 141, 158, 137, 161, 154, 119
Cabrera wRC+ in 6 years prior to extension: 171, 177, 166, 193, 148, 165

They're not similar situations, even if Stanton is healthy and as productive as he's been this year for the next three years (which I wouldn't bet on). Cabrera is on another level.
 

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I would only consider Stanton if Hanley goes back (Miami has a bad GM, try to sell him on reemerging where his career started) and we have a DH slot open.

So in other words, less than 0% chance at the moment
 

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If ratings are in a funk with a first place team featuring exciting young players like Betts and Bogaerts and an appointment-television starter like Sale on the roster, I can't see how Giancarlo Stanton makes that much of an impact.

Yes he hits bombs, but is he that much of a star name player to draw in ratings-shifting kinds of eyeballs? Is there any player in baseball that can do that?
Judge. And he has four more HRs than Stanton for the season.
 

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Judge. And he has four more HRs than Stanton for the season.
Isn't that more a playing out of NY thing though?

Granted none of our guys are anywhere near as "sexy" as Judge is atm, but I don't see his being here instead of there changing much of anything on our end. Well, dramatically speaking of course.
 

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NY's TV ratings are way up this year, but it's hard to parse what that means because Comcast didn't carry YES last year and they are this year (and the deal was made before Judge was anything special).
 

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Isn't that more a playing out of NY thing though?

Granted none of our guys are anywhere near as "sexy" as Judge is atm, but I don't see his being here instead of there changing much of anything on our end. Well, dramatically speaking of course.
It'd probably help a bit, inserting a guy on pace for 50 bombs into the middle of the order, which presumably would improve the offense in general, which has been a bit of a sticking point in the first half. But how much... pure speculation by me, and I'd bet even the more sophisticated pros in the FO can only barely predict such things.
 

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Stanton games played in the last 6 years: 150, 123, 116, 145, 74, 119.
Cabrera games played in the 6 years prior to extension: 150, 161, 161, 148, 159, 119

Stanton wRC+ in the last 6 years: 141, 158, 137, 161, 154, 119
Cabrera wRC+ in 6 years prior to extension: 171, 177, 166, 193, 148, 165

They're not similar situations, even if Stanton is healthy and as productive as he's been this year for the next three years (which I wouldn't bet on). Cabrera is on another level.
Yes Snod, Cabrera has the better pedigree as a hitter but defense and aging count. You're the GM. You have a choice between Stanton, a right fielder and Cabrera first baseman - one is 25 and coming off a career year the other is 33. Are you saying you would sign Cabrera instead?

The overall point is that DD has shown a willingness to lock up super stars to big lengthy contracts.
 
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Yes Snod, Cabrera has the better pedigree as a hitter but defense and aging count. You're the GM. You have a choice between Stanton, a right fielder and Cabrera first baseman - one is 25 and coming off a career year the other is 33. Are you saying you would sign Cabrera instead?
My point is that the two situations aren't comparable so using Cabrera as an example of why Dombrowki might be willing to trade for Stanton is pointless. So your question isn't relevant. Plus, he wouldn't be acquiring a 25 year old Stanton coming off of a career year anyway.

This is a terrible comparison.

Edit: Removed an unnecessary barb. Apologies.
 

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If ratings are in a funk with a first place team featuring exciting young players like Betts and Bogaerts and an appointment-television starter like Sale on the roster, I can't see how Giancarlo Stanton makes that much of an impact.

Yes he hits bombs, but is he that much of a star name player to draw in ratings-shifting kinds of eyeballs? Is there any player in baseball that can do that?
1)ESPN seems to believe that people tune in for HRs. I don't know, but maybe.
2)What role do poor production values have in viewership? People on the gamethreads who have a choice often choose the other team's b'cast to NESN's. As streaming increases, no one player can solve that problem.
 

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Holt returns, they bring up Devers before Sept 1 and they trade for bullpen help.

But I'm usually really wrong on thus sort of stuff.
 

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they could try Jalen Beeks, who has struck out 99 in 87 innings at Pawtucket.
To correct Gammons, Beeks has 49.1 IP in Portland with 58k/22bb, .199/.297/.301, .276 BAbip 1.16 WHIP, 28.7% K rate, 10.9% BB rate and 37.2ip, 41k/14bb, .210/.290/.312, .281 BAbip 1.14 WHIP, 26.3% K rate, 9.0% BB rate in Pawtucket.

That's really kind of amazing how similar those lines are.