Which type of plate discipline is eating Panda?
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So if surgery is required, he likely misses the rest of the year. I have to imagine the Red Sox have insurance. Not that you wish injury on a non-productive highly paid player to collect insurance.
His performance actually began a gradual decline after 2011 when he first hurt his shoulder. No way of knowing if that was the shoulder or his weight, but its a possibility. Him giving up batting RH last year despite being in a RH hitters haven is another clue, since he said in 2011 it (shoulder) bothered him "most" batting from the right side.
Would Pablo have disclosed any issue with his shoulder during contract negotiations?. Doubtful
Not enough evidence to say anything for sure, and while its easy to be satisfied with the "too fat" theory, he has been "too fat" his entire career
His performance actually began a gradual decline after 2011 when he first hurt his shoulder. No way of knowing if that was the shoulder or his weight, but its a possibility. Him giving up batting RH last year despite being in a RH hitters haven is another clue, since he said in 2011 it (shoulder) bothered him "most" batting from the right side.
Would Pablo have disclosed any issue with his shoulder during contract negotiations?. Doubtful
Not enough evidence to say anything for sure, and while its easy to be satisfied with the "too fat" theory, he has been "too fat" his entire career
Does Andrews do lap band?
Fix the shoulder and get bypass or lap. Chalk this up similar to Lackeys lost years and they can recoup the contract through performance or trade. I've resisted getting on the train of railroading him, but obviously there's more to it than we know.
As to the disclosures of the trainer, etc, all I can say I'm dumbstruck that the Gants were still in have on this guy last year. They banned room service and were still willing to give him a big money deal? Wow.
Fix the shoulder and get bypass or lap. Chalk this up similar to Lackeys lost years and they can recoup the contract through performance or trade. I've resisted getting on the train of railroading him, but obviously there's more to it than we know.
As to the disclosures of the trainer, etc, all I can say I'm dumbstruck that the Gants were still in have on this guy last year. They banned room service and were still willing to give him a big money deal? Wow.
Sept 2011:
Feb 22, 2012: San Francisco Giants 3B Pablo Sandoval, who is constantly criticized for his heavy build, said he has been working out hard and is happy with his muscle mass this year. 'Pablo looks good,' manager Bruce Bochy said. 'He is (lighter than Feb. 4 at FanFest). That's important for him and for us. We've still got two or three days here before we crank up those guys, but he's here early getting some work in and that's always a good sign. Feels good, looks good.'
Giants signed him to a 3-year extension a couple of months later.
Feb 22, 2012: San Francisco Giants 3B Pablo Sandoval, who is constantly criticized for his heavy build, said he has been working out hard and is happy with his muscle mass this year. 'Pablo looks good,' manager Bruce Bochy said. 'He is (lighter than Feb. 4 at FanFest). That's important for him and for us. We've still got two or three days here before we crank up those guys, but he's here early getting some work in and that's always a good sign. Feels good, looks good.'
He had just been named 2014 WS MVP, plus, there were one helluva lot of Panda hats and Panda heads in the stands at AT&T for all home games. He was beloved because he had some good years. Might also be that you win three World Series in five years and you give more rope to a guy who was a part of all three (yes, benched for the 2010 one). And, there was the same dearth of third basemen from the Giants viewpoint as from the Sox viewpoint. They brought in Casey McGehee, who was really bad, then got lucky with Duffman. Whatever, lot of rationalizing in this post, yes.
In that video, his "17% body fat" really jiggles. The FO must have said 70% and it was just misheard as 17. There is no way Panda is anything less than 80 pounds above his ideal body weight (and my closer guess would be 100 pounds). Last year after his belly flop to make the catch on the short pop up at third, I wrote that it was a miracle he wasn't hurt with all the extra weight he was carrying. Quite a few people jumped on the comments, saying he is just big boned, he isn't that fat, and in general defending Panda and his fitness level. The bottom line is that it is extremely difficult to play professional sports (with the exception of Sumo wrestlers and offensive lineman, NGs or DTs) if you are obese. And Panda is obese.
Not for nothing, Sandoval wasn't much lighter than he is now during his salad days in San Francisco. Back then, he hit the living shit of the ball, and he inexplicably played league-average defense at third base as well. There were signs, however, that the wheels were coming off even before hitting free agency; his stats were suggestive of the aging curve of a player 3-4 years his senior, which several of us pointed out when he was a free agent. This isn't a loss of motivation after signing a big contract; it's the culmination of a trend that began well before he signed here.
Scott Lauber
ESPN Staff Writer
Pablo Sandoval tells reporters on way out of Fenway that MRI results on his shoulder were "not good," which is why he's seeking the second opinion from Dr. James Andrews.
http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0512817647243498817-4
ESPN Staff Writer
Pablo Sandoval tells reporters on way out of Fenway that MRI results on his shoulder were "not good," which is why he's seeking the second opinion from Dr. James Andrews.
http://espn.go.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0512817647243498817-4
Too bad it's just not that easy. Just because you get a bypass or a lap band, unless you fix the underlying bad eating habits, nothing is going to change. Sure, he might have a short term weight loss. But he can still eat his way through the band or eat enough to render the bypass useless. And he can't eat the wrong things either or he'll start having major health problems from a lack of protein in the diet.
The only way to fix his weight issue is diet and exercise. And he needs to understand what food does to his body. A psychologist and a nutritionist are needed before a surgeon for his weight.
Can you really be an effective professional athlete after one of those weight loss surgeries? If you're training for professional sports and you're a big guy, you can easily be burning 4000+ calories per day. Even if you want to lose weight, it's likely not healthy to be limited to ~1000 calories intake. Plus you'd have issues consuming enough protein to spare or build lean mass I would think.
They're good options for someone who is in such bad condition that they really can't ramp up alternatives for weight loss, but someone like Sandoval who is perfectly mobile really should just pursue behavior modification, potentially with help from a dietician and a therapist to help with eating disorder issues.
They're good options for someone who is in such bad condition that they really can't ramp up alternatives for weight loss, but someone like Sandoval who is perfectly mobile really should just pursue behavior modification, potentially with help from a dietician and a therapist to help with eating disorder issues.
That might be code for "too fat to fit in the MRI machine" although I'm not sure 2 weeks is enough time to slim down.